If your side lied, would you even want to know?

[Anomalism]

So, tell me if I’m wrong, but you don’t want us getting news from news outlets, listening to opinions, or even sifting through multiple sourcing from all sides of an issue, rather everyday, we should just ask ourselves if we’re being lied to?

How in the **** would we be if we didn’t get any news? You make no sense.

You're not wrong because you misunderstood me. You're wrong because you stopped thinking as soon as you felt challenged.

I never said don’t get the news. I said you don’t know why you trust what you trust. You can sift through a hundred sources, but if you're only comparing headlines that already fit your emotional lean, that’s not research; it's reassurance.

I’m not telling you to shut out information. I'm telling you to interrogate the lens you’re seeing it through. Why do you instinctively dismiss one side and accept the other? Why do you label discomfort as nonsense? Why do you think skepticism means rejecting others, but never your own narrative?

You think I’m asking you to stop learning. I’m asking you to start questioning the part of you that already decided what learning looks like. If that sounds like nonsense to you, that’s fine, but don’t confuse confusion with incoherence. You didn’t understand what I said, and you didn’t pause long enough to try.

 

[j-mac]

You're not wrong because you misunderstood me. You're wrong because you stopped thinking as soon as you felt challenged.

I never said don’t get the news. I said you don’t know why you trust what you trust. You can sift through a hundred sources, but if you're only comparing headlines that already fit your emotional lean, that’s not research; it's reassurance.

I’m not telling you to shut out information. I'm telling you to interrogate the lens you’re seeing it through. Why do you instinctively dismiss one side and accept the other? Why do you label discomfort as nonsense? Why do you think skepticism means rejecting others, but never your own narrative?

You think I’m asking you to stop learning. I’m asking you to start questioning the part of you that already decided what learning looks like. If that sounds like nonsense to you, that’s fine, but don’t confuse confusion with incoherence. You didn’t understand what I said, and you didn’t pause long enough to try.

Come on man, what’s your proof that any given individual doesn’t?

 

[Anomalism]

Come on man, what’s your proof that any given individual doesn’t?

You asked for proof that people don’t question their lens. The proof is how defensive you just got. You didn’t ask clarifying questions. You didn’t reflect. You accused, deflected, misquoted, and made assumptions. That’s not the posture of someone interrogating their own filters. That’s someone protecting them.

You think I’m talking about other people being biased. I’m talking about you. You’re demanding evidence from the outside world, but refusing to look at the inside one, and that’s the entire point.

If I asked, “Do you think the media lies?” you’d probably say yes. If I asked, “Do you think the government misleads?” you’d probably say yes.
When I ask “Do you think your mind has been shaped by those lies?” suddenly you bristle.

Why?

Because it’s easy to doubt others. It's hard, scary even, to doubt yourself, and yet, that’s the only place real discernment starts. If your confidence can’t survive that level of honesty, it was never truth. It was just loyalty in disguise.

So again I’ll ask...

If your side lied, would you even want to know, or would you just get louder, like now, and call it a misunderstanding?

 

[Darkwind]

Most people think they want truth, but what they actually want is to be right.

If someone could prove, with evidence, that your favorite leader, your party, or your cause was based on lies, would you investigate, or would you look away to protect your emotional investment? Because that’s not loyalty. That’s self-preservation wrapped in ideology.

Truth doesn’t care who it embarrasses, and if you only chase truth when it hurts the other side, then you were never on truth’s side to begin with.

You were on your own.

No. What most people want is THEIR opinion coming from YOUR mouth.

Truth in some things is objective. To others, how they were raised and what the believe will color facts. Notice I did not say truth.

Your truth is NOT My truth, and no one agrees upon facts anymore, so it all becomes subjective.

It WILL NOT change.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I'm not even sure it's about being right any more.

It's about winning.



I once belonged to an organization I truly believed in.

Then it began to be taken over by liars, psychos, hypocrites, idiots, and bigots.

I first noticed this was happening in my organization's preferred media outlets. I was shocked to see an influx, then a flood, of logical fallacies and lies in their reporting.

Still, I did not leave the organization. I held on to hope they would snap out of their foolishness. Boy, was I stupid! Their lies and sacrificing of their principles were providing them great success!

And finally, a person who had never been a part of that organization realized all these jackals had provided him a opening and he moved in and took over.

The man could not open his mouth without lying. He was the most immoral person I had ever seen in American politics.

And to my amazement, he succeeded in being elected president. I was shocked to learn there were far, far, far more weak-minded people in America than I realized.

Of course, it helped that his competition had a long history of corruption and wrong-headed policies.

So I found myself between a rock and a hard place, and decided to leave that organization I had belonged to all my adult life.




I am on my own. Many of those who swore they would NEVER accept the disgrace of my former organization did an about face in exchange earthly power.

For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

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Cool story bruh….,NOBODY here and sane believes for one second that your batshit crazy ass has EVER had even one conservative bone in your body. Stop with the bullshit already.

 

[my2¢]

I find it best to form my own opinion and disregard which side it falls upon. While it is nice to be right, it is even nicer when things go better than expected. Conversely when high hopes turn sour, it is a total waste if I don't learn from my mistakes. I suppose it is one of life's lessons from being a life-long Browns fan.

 

[GLASNOST]

If your side lied, would you even want to know?​

Each and every one of my convictions are born on wanting to know the truth and wanting to know the lies from "my side". I am a Vietnam War veteran and I was once a Zionist supporter. I stand before you today an anti-war and anti-Zionist champion. Why? Because I wanted to know the truth and I realized that "my side" lied.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

No man, I totally believed it when Trump said he'd end the Ukrain war on the day of his election, and that he totally loves Putin and Rocket Man, just as he said.

It's the liberals who are well out of wack where lying is concerned. For one they need the material to criticize Trump. For two they don't realize every mainstream Democrat speaks with a pack of lies and BS. That's especially clear, but the Democracks can't seem to tell, cuz they're tarded and lead by emotions.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Nice story, bruh.

MAGAats are demons who follow the master evil spirit. Trump.

 

[j-mac]

You asked for proof that people don’t question their lens. The proof is how defensive you just got. You didn’t ask clarifying questions. You didn’t reflect. You accused, deflected, misquoted, and made assumptions. That’s not the posture of someone interrogating their own filters. That’s someone protecting them.

You think I’m talking about other people being biased. I’m talking about you. You’re demanding evidence from the outside world, but refusing to look at the inside one, and that’s the entire point.

If I asked, “Do you think the media lies?” you’d probably say yes. If I asked, “Do you think the government misleads?” you’d probably say yes.
When I ask “Do you think your mind has been shaped by those lies?” suddenly you bristle.

Why?

Because it’s easy to doubt others. It's hard, scary even, to doubt yourself, and yet, that’s the only place real discernment starts. If your confidence can’t survive that level of honesty, it was never truth. It was just loyalty in disguise.

So again I’ll ask...

If your side lied, would you even want to know, or would you just get louder, like now, and call it a misunderstanding?

That’s because I know how I approach the news. And I have every right to form my opinions as I see fit. You don’t like it? Too ******* bad.

Besides, who the **** do you think you are to judge me?

Nobody, that’s who.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

J-mac would not be judged so harshly if he would be fair and tell the truth. However, such is not the case.

 

[j-mac]

J-mac would not be judged so harshly if he would be fair and tell the truth. However, such is not the case.

Suck a dick….

 

[Anomalism]

That’s because I know how I approach the news. And I have every right to form my opinions as I see fit. You don’t like it? Too ******* bad.

Besides, who the **** do you think you are to judge me?

Nobody, that’s who.

Your response proved my point perfectly, and involuntarily.

“Who the **** do you think you are to judge me?”

This is not the response of someone secure in their clarity. It’s the posture of someone whose identity feels threatened. I didn’t attack you. I simply asked whether you've ever turned your critical lens inward. You could’ve replied with calm reasoning, but instead you exploded, because the mirror makes you uncomfortable.

I didn’t judge you. I questioned the foundation of your worldview. That’s not an insult. It’s an invitation, but people who have mistaken certainty for strength experience questions as violence. You gave me exactly the data I was describing, the inability to separate ideas from ego, identity from ideology.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Suck a dick….

And such manners he displays. He is a fake Christian yet a true Nationalist.

 

[Doc7505]

So, tell me if I’m wrong, but you don’t want us getting news from news outlets, listening to opinions, or even sifting through multiple sourcing from all sides of an issue, rather everyday, we should just ask ourselves if we’re being lied to?

How in the **** would we be if we didn’t get any news? You make no sense.

~~~~~~
Getting factual, objective information from news outlets is imperative in a free society.
According to journalistic ethics, Once the information is made biased, subjective and ideological it becomes propaganda and is of no real use except the effort to sway the judgement of the reader.
It's up to the reader to ultimately sift and find the truth.
Unfortunately, our educators in today's society fail to inculcate the value of finding the truth in their teaching of our children...

 

[Anomalism]

J-mac would not be judged so harshly if he would be fair and tell the truth. However, such is not the case.

This is exactly the kind of smug tribal rot that poisons any hope of actual growth. You saw someone react defensively to having their worldview challenged, a moment where ego cracked just enough to let light in, and instead of honoring that tension, you mocked it. You turned what could’ve been a moment of reflection into a spectacle for your own ego.

You didn’t help. You didn’t elevate the conversation. You just poured cement into someone else's emotional armor. This isn’t about J-mac. It’s about the part of you that would rather score points than make space for someone to wrestle honestly with discomfort. If you think mockery is how truth wins, you’re not on the side of truth. You’re just feeding the same cycle of contempt that keeps everyone frozen in place.

If someone flinches when a mirror is held up, the answer isn’t to laugh at them. It’s to have the courage not to be the reason they look away again.

 

[j-mac]

And such manners he displays. He is a fake Christian yet a true Nationalist.

Yep, I love my country. I served my country. And, I also respect and love God….0 for 3, shitbird.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

~~~~~~
Getting factual, objective information from news outlets is imperative in a free society.
According to journalistic ethics, Once the information is made biased, subjective and ideological it becomes propaganda and is of no real use except the effort to sway the judgement of the reader.
It's up to the reader to ultimately sift and find the truth.

Then why do you not post objective, factual info instead of twisted gimmerish of the news. You should not set Breitbart as you model, or OAN, doc.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

This is exactly the kind of smug tribal rot that poisons any hope of actual growth. You saw someone react defensively to having their worldview challenged, a moment where ego cracked just enough to let light in, and instead of honoring that tension, you mocked it. You turned what could’ve been a moment of reflection into a spectacle for your own ego.

You didn’t help. You didn’t elevate the conversation. You just poured cement into someone else's emotional armor. This isn’t about J-mac. It’s about the part of you that would rather score points than make space for someone to wrestle honestly with discomfort. If you think mockery is how truth wins, you’re not on the side of truth. You’re just feeding the same cycle of contempt that keeps everyone frozen in place.

If someone flinches when a mirror is held up, the answer isn’t to laugh at them. It’s to have the courage not to be the reason they look away again.

Anomalism, you are so funny. You are not some old, wise gray eminence. You know basic syntax and diction, but logic and semantics elude you so often.

However, effort is good, so keep trying.

 

[j-mac]

Then why do you not post objective, factual info instead of twisted gimmerish of the news. You should not set Breitbart as you model, or OAN, doc.

Oh, now you’re going to tell us which sources you approve of? Yeah, don’t care.