If your side lied, would you even want to know?

[Anomalism]

Most people think they want truth, but what they actually want is to be right.

If someone could prove, with evidence, that your favorite leader, your party, or your cause was based on lies, would you investigate, or would you look away to protect your emotional investment? Because that’s not loyalty. That’s self-preservation wrapped in ideology.

Truth doesn’t care who it embarrasses, and if you only chase truth when it hurts the other side, then you were never on truth’s side to begin with.

You were on your own.

 

[justoffal]

Most people think they want truth, but what they actually want is to be right.

If someone could prove, with evidence, that your favorite leader, your party, or your cause was based on lies, would you investigate, or would you look away to protect your emotional investment? Because that’s not loyalty. That’s self-preservation wrapped in ideology.

Truth doesn’t care who it embarrasses, and if you only chase truth when it hurts the other side, then you were never on truth’s side to begin with.

You were on your own.

Excellent question

 

[j-mac]

Most people think they want truth, but what they actually want is to be right.

If someone could prove, with evidence, that your favorite leader, your party, or your cause was based on lies, would you investigate, or would you look away to protect your emotional investment? Because that’s not loyalty. That’s self-preservation wrapped in ideology.

Truth doesn’t care who it embarrasses, and if you only chase truth when it hurts the other side, then you were never on truth’s side to begin with.

You were on your own.

This is rich....The real question is who would be telling the truth? Our media is corrupted, our Congress is corrupted, and you can't count of the opposition to tell the truth, so who should we listen to? You?

 

[Anomalism]

This is rich....The real question is who would be telling the truth? Our media is corrupted, our Congress is corrupted, and you can't count of the opposition to tell the truth, so who should we listen to? You?

Who should we listen to? That question reveals the real problem . It’s not who tells the truth; it’s whether you want to hear it. You say the media is corrupted, congress is corrupted, and the opposition is lying, so you default to distrusting everyone.

Have you paused to ask how you decide what’s true then? If all sources are corrupt, then truth itself becomes irrelevant, replaced by tribal loyalty and noise.

If you refuse to test anything for yourself, what you really mean is you only want to believe what feels right to you, no matter how many lies it takes. That’s not skepticism. That’s surrender, because truth isn’t a person or a party. Truth is the thing that survives scrutiny, no matter who’s lying or shouting.

If you don’t want to find that truth, if you’d rather live inside a bubble where everything’s already decided for you, then no amount of corruption or deception will ever matter. You’ve already chosen your cage.

The question isn’t who to listen to; it’s whether you have the courage to listen at all.

 

[braalian]

Anyone who isn’t an idiot knows their side lies all the time. All politicians do.

 

[Anomalism]

Anyone who isn’t an idiot knows their side lies all the time. All politicians do.

Do you confront your side's lies?

 

[braalian]

Do you confront your side's lies?

Depends on what you mean.

I acknowledge them.

Do I “confront” the politicians themselves? No, of course not, just as 99.99999999% of Americans also do not

 

[j-mac]

Who should we listen to? That question reveals the real problem . It’s not who tells the truth; it’s whether you want to hear it. You say the media is corrupted, congress is corrupted, and the opposition is lying, so you default to distrusting everyone.

Why do you need to listen to anyone? And it is who tells the truth...Today you have to read through more than a few different takes on any given story. Ignore the political commentary, throw out the anonymous sourcing, and find the meat of the story across the multiple takes your reading. That's where you find the facts. And yes, trust no one...Make up your own mind.

Have you paused to ask how you decide what’s true then? If all sources are corrupt, then truth itself becomes irrelevant, replaced by tribal loyalty and noise.

That's exactly what has happened with our news...But, I laid that out in the first paragraph.

If you refuse to test anything for yourself, what you really mean is you only want to believe what feels right to you, no matter how many lies it takes. That’s not skepticism. That’s surrender, because truth isn’t a person or a party. Truth is the thing that survives scrutiny, no matter who’s lying or shouting.

Isn't that I laid out?

If you don’t want to find that truth, if you’d rather live inside a bubble where everything’s already decided for you, then no amount of corruption or deception will ever matter. You’ve already chosen your cage.

Nice rant, where are you getting this from?

The question isn’t who to listen to; it’s whether you have the courage to listen at all.

It's always been on the individual to gather information, or news, and make up their own minds....So, what is it you're really saying here? You don't want people to do that?

 

[Correll]

Who should we listen to? That question reveals the real problem . It’s not who tells the truth; it’s whether you want to hear it. You say the media is corrupted, congress is corrupted, and the opposition is lying, so you default to distrusting everyone.

Have you paused to ask how you decide what’s true then? If all sources are corrupt, then truth itself becomes irrelevant, replaced by tribal loyalty and noise.

If you refuse to test anything for yourself, what you really mean is you only want to believe what feels right to you, no matter how many lies it takes. That’s not skepticism. That’s surrender, because truth isn’t a person or a party. Truth is the thing that survives scrutiny, no matter who’s lying or shouting.

If you don’t want to find that truth, if you’d rather live inside a bubble where everything’s already decided for you, then no amount of corruption or deception will ever matter. You’ve already chosen your cage.

The question isn’t who to listen to; it’s whether you have the courage to listen at all.

I get ridiculed on this site for "Fact checking" what hte experts or the stats say, based on personal observations.

 

[Anomalism]

Why do you need to listen to anyone? And it is who tells the truth...Today you have to read through more than a few different takes on any given story. Ignore the political commentary, throw out the anonymous sourcing, and find the meat of the story across the multiple takes your reading. That's where you find the facts. And yes, trust no one...Make up your own mind.


That's exactly what has happened with our news...But, I laid that out in the first paragraph.

Isn't that I laid out?

Nice rant, where are you getting this from?

It's always been on the individual to gather information, or news, and make up their own minds....So, what is it you're really saying here? You don't want people to do that?

I agree it’s on the individual to seek truth, but let’s be honest , most people who say “make up your own mind” have no idea how much of that mind was already made up for them.

You say to trust no one, but the question isn't about trusting others; it's about interrogating yourself. How do you know your current views weren’t shaped by selective exposure, confirmation bias, or emotional conditioning?
How do you separate thinking for yourself from just assembling pre-approved fragments that already match your worldview?

The dangerous lie isn't that we’re being misled. It's that we think we aren't. You can sift through a thousand sources, but if you never question why you trust some and dismiss others, and never challenge your filters, your framing, your instinctual reactions, then all that independent thinking is just a more polite form of inherited bias.

So I’ll ask again...

If you were lied to, would you even want to know?

If the answer is yes, then the first place to look is not the media. Not the government. Not the opposition. It's you, and that’s where most people stop digging, because they’re not searching for truth. They’re searching for validation.

 

[j-mac]

I agree it’s on the individual to seek truth, but let’s be honest , most people who say “make up your own mind” have no idea how much of that mind was already made up for them.

You say to trust no one, but the question isn't about trusting others; it's about interrogating yourself. How do you know your current views weren’t shaped by selective exposure, confirmation bias, or emotional conditioning?
How do you separate thinking for yourself from just assembling pre-approved fragments that already match your worldview?

The dangerous lie isn't that we’re being misled. It's that we think we aren't. You can sift through a thousand sources, but if you never question why you trust some and dismiss others, and never challenge your filters, your framing, your instinctual reactions, then all that independent thinking is just a more polite form of inherited bias.

So I’ll ask again...

If you were lied to, would you even want to know?

If the answer is yes, then the first place to look is not the media. Not the government. Not the opposition. It's you, and that’s where most people stop digging, because they’re not searching for truth. They’re searching for validation.

So, tell me if I’m wrong, but you don’t want us getting news from news outlets, listening to opinions, or even sifting through multiple sourcing from all sides of an issue, rather everyday, we should just ask ourselves if we’re being lied to?

How in the **** would we be if we didn’t get any news? You make no sense.

 

[1srelluc]

Anyone who isn’t an idiot knows their side lies all the time. All politicians do.

That and half are professional liars....They were lawyers.

Look at Chuck Schumer....Straight out of Harrrvard and right into politics....Never held a job.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

Most people think they want truth, but what they actually want is to be right.

If someone could prove, with evidence, that your favorite leader, your party, or your cause was based on lies, would you investigate, or would you look away to protect your emotional investment? Because that’s not loyalty. That’s self-preservation wrapped in ideology.

Truth doesn’t care who it embarrasses, and if you only chase truth when it hurts the other side, then you were never on truth’s side to begin with.

You were on your own.

Trump lied. I was on his side about a lot of things, and I want him exposed. Everyone deserves to be exposed, with the whole Epstein list. There was a time I was really tribal, belonging to the Trump camp 100%. Now I realize that is just stupid.

So yes, I would want "my" leader, cause, etc investigated.

 

[g5000]

Most people think they want truth, but what they actually want is to be right.

I'm not even sure it's about being right any more.

It's about winning.

If someone could prove, with evidence, that your favorite leader, your party, or your cause was based on lies, would you investigate, or would you look away to protect your emotional investment?

I once belonged to an organization I truly believed in.

Then it began to be taken over by liars, psychos, hypocrites, idiots, and bigots.

I first noticed this was happening in my organization's preferred media outlets. I was shocked to see an influx, then a flood, of logical fallacies and lies in their reporting.

Still, I did not leave the organization. I held on to hope they would snap out of their foolishness. Boy, was I stupid! Their lies and sacrificing of their principles were providing them great success!

And finally, a person who had never been a part of that organization realized all these jackals had provided him a opening and he moved in and took over.

The man could not open his mouth without lying. He was the most immoral person I had ever seen in American politics.

And to my amazement, he succeeded in being elected president. I was shocked to learn there were far, far, far more weak-minded people in America than I realized.

Of course, it helped that his competition had a long history of corruption and wrong-headed policies.

So I found myself between a rock and a hard place, and decided to leave that organization I had belonged to all my adult life.

Because that’s not loyalty. That’s self-preservation wrapped in ideology.

Truth doesn’t care who it embarrasses, and if you only chase truth when it hurts the other side, then you were never on truth’s side to begin with.

You were on your own.

I am on my own. Many of those who swore they would NEVER accept the disgrace of my former organization did an about face in exchange earthly power.

For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

.

 

[j-mac]

I'm not even sure it's about being right any more.

It's about winning.



I once belonged to an organization I truly believed in.

Then it began to be taken over by liars, psychos, hypocrites, idiots, and bigots.

I first noticed this was happening in my organization's preferred media outlets. I was shocked to see an influx, then a flood, of logical fallacies and lies in their reporting.

Still, I did not leave the organization. I held on to hope they would snap out of their foolishness. Boy, was I stupid! Their lies and sacrificing of their principles were providing them great success!

And finally, a person who had never been a part of that organization realized all these jackals had provided him a opening and he moved in and took over.

The man could not open his mouth without lying. He was the most immoral person I had ever seen in American politics.

And to my amazement, he succeeded in being elected president. I was shocked to learn there were far, far, far more weak-minded people in America than I realized.

Of course, it helped that his competition had a long history of corruption and wrong-headed policies.

So I found myself between a rock and a hard place, and decided to leave that organization I had belonged to all my adult life.




I am on my own. Many of those who swore they would NEVER accept the disgrace of my former organization did an about face in exchange earthly power.

For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

An honest person would want to know if his side was scamming, sure.

 

[BluesLegend]

That and half are professional liars....They were lawyers.

Look at Chuck Schumer....Straight out of Harrrvard and right into politics....Never held a job.

And oddly is worth 10's of millions on a congressional salary, his wife is a librarian.

 

[j-mac]

An honest person would want to know if his side was scamming, sure.

So, you’re “an honest person”?

 

[sartre play]

This is rich....The real question is who would be telling the truth? Our media is corrupted, our Congress is corrupted, and you can't count of the opposition to tell the truth, so who should we listen to? You?

That's the hard part, OPINION
for one party we just figure that they take and actual negative & blow it up by about 50%+
The other party takes personal things that have nothing to do with running a government, and makes them their center pieces.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

So, you’re “an honest person”?

No more than you.