If You Were Joyously Anticipating The Demise Of The Democrat Party........

[Foxfyre]

He's done it with this directive.

And yet you will not post the exact words from the directive that in any way violates the concept or principle of free speech.

I say those words are not in the directive. So why is it you keep insisting that they are?

 

[Foxfyre]

Fine....I'll put you down as being OK with surveilling other American citizens.

Ever hear of the Stasi?

And that would be as intellectually dishonest as claiming that President Trump's directive in any way violates the concept or principle of free speech. I say there is nothing in the directive that does that and have repeatedly asked you to identify the specific clause, wording that does, So far you have ignored that very reasonable request.

How is it reasonable to say the government has no right or duty to identify and stop those who fund, plot, conspire to, instigate, promote and carry out violence against other citizens?

Shall I put you down as one who is okay with that?

 

[Edgetho]

You want to become what we voted against.

I am going to side with the "By whatever means necessary" side in our fight to destroy dimocrap scum.

Were we immoral in WW2 because we bombed Dresden or Fire-Bombed Tokyo or when we nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, even though the War with Germany and Japan was won?

I'll leave that to the philosphers. The reason we did it was to send the message, "NO MORE!!"

"NEVER AGAIN!" do we want to have to send our Boys to fight and die because you asshats can't control your need to conquer, to murder, to enslave? So, since it seems that the cultures of Japan and Germany existed totally for conquest, MILITARY Conquest, we decided to destroy those Cultures.

And we did. We destroyed the aggressive nature of the German and Japanese Cultures. Totes.

It's been over two generations and they haven't shown any desire to conquer their neighbors again.

THINK about what they did -- Japan murdered at least 30 Million in their War in Asia, Germany murdered at least 40 million in the War in Europe.

Those numbers are not exaggerated. People can choose to not believe them and I'm okay with that. They can choose not to believe the Holocaust numbers, too. Don't care.

The point remains. Whatever means are necessary.

We have one enemy left. Civilization has one disease, one enemy we still have to deal with. Perhaps the worst of them all...... Russia.

Russia is a disease. They are the ones that exported Tyranny to America, dressed up as socialism. And the dimocrap scum party, the filthiest, the most degenerate, the most disgusting political party to ever exist on the Planet is the home of that disease. It has now learned to stand on its own two feet. Without the USSR or Russia, the dimocrap scum party continues to infest America and it needs to be stopped. the dimocrap FILTH party is a bigger threat than German or Japan ever were. And we need to deal with it.....

By Whatever means are necessary.

 

[PoliticalChic]

All the LAWFARE that the demented LEFT put this country through over the last DECADE, and the TERRORIST ATTACKS from the various useful idiot brigades; all of that treachery MUST BE ADDRESSED.
We CANNOT just go, "oh shucks, don't do that again please."
Screw THAT.
Like it or not, there must be CONSEQUENCES for all that so it doesn't happen AGAIN.
There also must be LEGAL means to prevent any DOMESTIC TERRORISM going forward.
Free speech comes with RESPONSIBILITY.
"No borders, no walls. No America at all" is a vile notion, but the demented IDIOTS that spout that nonsense have the right to make asses of themselves doing so.
This all has nothing to do with suspending the Constitution, but it's all about American JUSTICE.
FAFO FOREVER.

AI Overview


Free speech is
the right to express opinions and ideas without fear of censorship or retaliation, particularly from the government

 

[PoliticalChic]

You think it's ok to speak violence under the cover of the first amendment ? Yelling fire in a crowded theater needs to be codified and added to the rules used thereby noting what can't be said under the first amendment protections of free speech.

Of course it is.

AI Overview


Free speech is
the right to express opinions and ideas without fear of censorship or retaliation, particularly from the government


I am so disappointed in you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And yet you will not post the exact words from the directive that in any way violates the concept or principle of free speech.

I say those words are not in the directive. So why is it you keep insisting that they are?

AI Overview


Free speech is
the right to express opinions and ideas without fear of censorship or retaliation, particularly from the government


I am so disappointed in you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And that would be as intellectually dishonest as claiming that President Trump's directive in any way violates the concept or principle of free speech. I say there is nothing in the directive that does that and have repeatedly asked you to identify the specific clause, wording that does, So far you have ignored that very reasonable request.

How is it reasonable to say the government has no right or duty to identify and stop those who fund, plot, conspire to, instigate, promote and carry out violence against other citizens?

Shall I put you down as one who is okay with that?

This is a real problem when folks on the Right, nominally, you, don't believe that the principle of free speech is the protection of those who say things you don't like or don't agree with.

 

[Robert W]

AI Overview


Free speech is
the right to express opinions and ideas without fear of censorship or retaliation, particularly from the government

Antifa already gets arrested for violence.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I am going to side with the "By whatever means necessary" side in our fight to destroy dimocrap scum.

Were we immoral in WW2 because we bombed Dresden or Fire-Bombed Tokyo or when we nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, even though the War with Germany and Japan was won?

I'll leave that to the philosphers. The reason we did it was to send the message, "NO MORE!!"

"NEVER AGAIN!" do we want to have to send our Boys to fight and die because you asshats can't control your need to conquer, to murder, to enslave? So, since it seems that the cultures of Japan and Germany existed totally for conquest, MILITARY Conquest, we decided to destroy those Cultures.

And we did. We destroyed the aggressive nature of the German and Japanese Cultures. Totes.

It's been over two generations and they haven't shown any desire to conquer their neighbors again.

THINK about what they did -- Japan murdered at least 30 Million in their War in Asia, Germany murdered at least 40 million in the War in Europe.

Those numbers are not exaggerated. People can choose to not believe them and I'm okay with that. They can choose not to believe the Holocaust numbers, too. Don't care.

The point remains. Whatever means are necessary.

We have one enemy left. Civilization has one disease, one enemy we still have to deal with. Perhaps the worst of them all...... Russia.

Russia is a disease. They are the ones that exported Tyranny to America, dressed up as socialism. And the dimocrap scum party, the filthiest, the most degenerate, the most disgusting political party to ever exist on the Planet is the home of that disease. It has now learned to stand on its own two feet. Without the USSR or Russia, the dimocrap scum party continues to infest America and it needs to be stopped. the dimocrap FILTH party is a bigger threat than German or Japan ever were. And we need to deal with it.....

By Whatever means are necessary.

 

[Edgetho]

Of course it is.

AI Overview


Free speech is
the right to express opinions and ideas without fear of censorship or retaliation, particularly from the government


I am so disappointed in you.

The Consitution is not a Suicide Pact. And 'Free Speech' must be tempered with common sense.

It is not okay to incite lesser minds to violence. It is not okay to incite disturbed individuals into bombing a Kindergarten, or assassinating a politcian or setting fire to a person's home just because they are the object of derision of sick minds..... aka; dimocrap scum.

There is not now, nor has there ever been, an absolute right to Free Speech. Try blabbing State Secrets and let us know how you're doing at Fort Leavenworth

 

[PoliticalChic]

Antifa already gets arrested for violence.

Where do you see ANTIFA mentioned here? This is an attack on every American:



4. ....NPSM-7 “directs a new national strategy to ‘disrupt’ any individual or groups ‘that foment political violence,’ including ‘before they result in violent political acts.’”



5. ....the “indicia” (indicators) of future political violence listed in the report are:

• anti-Americanism,
• anti-capitalism,
• anti-Christianity,
• support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
• extremism on migration,
• extremism on race,
• extremism on gender
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality."
• Trump Classifies “Anti-Capitalism” as a Political Pre-Crime

 

[Robert W]

This is a real problem when folks on the Right, nominally, you, don't believe that the principle of free speech is the protection of those who say things you don't like or don't agree with.

Antifa which you probably do not support gets arrested for violence a lot. They are not arrested for things they say. Do you support Antifa is all some of us ask you?
Multiple arrests have been made related to Antifa activities, particularly involving violent protests and attacks on federal facilities, with federal authorities taking significant action against individuals associated with the group.

Overview​

1. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Actions: The DHS has arrested dozens of individuals aligned with Antifa, citing their involvement in violent riots and attacks against law enforcement. These actions are part of a broader effort to uphold the rule of law and respond to what the DHS describes as domestic terrorism.
   
   1
2. Specific Incidents: In Portland, Oregon, six Antifa militants were federally charged for their roles in violent confrontations at an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) facility. Charges included assaulting federal officers and attempting to breach the facility.
   
   2
3. Demonstrations and Arrests: Recent anti-ICE demonstrations organized by Antifa networks in Eugene, Oregon, led to multiple arrests. Participants were reported to have engaged in property damage and attempted assaults during these protests.
   
   1
4. Ongoing Legal Actions: Individuals arrested in connection with Antifa activities face various charges, including assaulting federal officers and hindering prosecution related to terrorism. For instance, Dario Emmanuel Sanchez was re-arrested for hindering the prosecution of terrorism after initially being charged for tampering with evidence.
   
   1
5. Continued Tensions: The situation remains tense, particularly in areas like Portland, where federal facilities have been frequent targets of Antifa protests. Federal agents have had to employ crowd control measures to manage ongoing violent demonstrations.
   
   1
   These developments indicate a significant crackdown on Antifa-related activities, with federal authorities actively pursuing legal actions against individuals involved in violent protests and attacks.

 

[Robert W]

Where do you see ANTIFA mentioned here? This is an attack on every American:



4. ....NPSM-7 “directs a new national strategy to ‘disrupt’ any individual or groups ‘that foment political violence,’ including ‘before they result in violent political acts.’”



5. ....the “indicia” (indicators) of future political violence listed in the report are:

• anti-Americanism,
• anti-capitalism,
• anti-Christianity,
• support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
• extremism on migration,
• extremism on race,
• extremism on gender
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality."
• Trump Classifies “Anti-Capitalism” as a Political Pre-Crime

Disrupt means just that. What antifa is arrested for that Trump fights is actually mayhem, violence against citizens and destruction of citizens property and personal rights.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Consitution is not a Suicide Pact. And 'Free Speech' must be tempered with common sense.

It is not okay to incite lesser minds to violence. It is not okay to incite disturbed individuals into bombing a Kindergarten, or assassinating a politcian or setting fire to a person's home just because they are the object of derision of sick minds..... aka; dimocrap scum.

There is not now, nor has there ever been, an absolute right to Free Speech. Try blabbing State Secrets and let us know how you're doing at Fort Leavenworth

" And 'Free Speech' must be tempered with common sense."
'
That's Fascist talk.


For your education"
AI Overview

Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969) was a landmark Supreme Court case that established the "imminent lawless action" test, ruling that the government cannot punish the advocacy of illegal violence unless it is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action. The case involved a Ku Klux Klan leader, Clarence Brandenburg, who was convicted under an Ohio law for advocating violence at a rally. The Court's decision found that the Ohio law was overly broad and violated Brandenburg's First Amendment free speech rights by punishing mere advocacy without regard to the likelihood of imminent violence.

Imminent.....about to happen,

Give any of these as opinions and the directive will get you "investigated." That is not conservative, nor American.

• anti-Americanism,
• anti-capitalism,
• anti-Christianity,
• support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
• extremism on migration,
• extremism on race,
• extremism on gender
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality."
• Trump Classifies “Anti-Capitalism” as a Political Pre-Crime

 

[PoliticalChic]

Disrupt means just that. What antifa is arrested for that Trump fights is actually mayhem, violence against citizens and destruction of citizens property and personal rights.

For your education"
AI Overview

Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969) was a landmark Supreme Court case that established the "imminent lawless action" test, ruling that the government cannot punish the advocacy of illegal violence unless it is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action. The case involved a Ku Klux Klan leader, Clarence Brandenburg, who was convicted under an Ohio law for advocating violence at a rally. The Court's decision found that the Ohio law was overly broad and violated Brandenburg's First Amendment free speech rights by punishing mere advocacy without regard to the likelihood of imminent violence.

Imminent.....about to happen,

Give any of these as opinions and the directive will get you "investigated." That is not conservative, nor American.

• anti-Americanism,
• anti-capitalism,
• anti-Christianity,
• support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
• extremism on migration,
• extremism on race,
• extremism on gender
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality."
• Trump Classifies “Anti-Capitalism” as a Political Pre-Crime

 

[SeaMajor7]

AI Overview


Free speech is
the right to express opinions and ideas without fear of censorship or retaliation, particularly from the government

You needed AI for that?
Did you actually read my post you quoted?
I'm all for free speech, even for demented avenger subverted demoralized Stalinist Marxist Leninist zombies.
Burning, looting, murdering, and other terrorist acts are not free speech issues.
Neither is framing a President, using LAWFARE and the Judiciary to try to jail political opponents, and so on.
I believe that you are reading too much into Trump's proclamation, Chica.
To be honest, it is weird disagreeing with you, but here we are.

 

[Robert W]

Where do you see ANTIFA mentioned here? This is an attack on every American:



4. ....NPSM-7 “directs a new national strategy to ‘disrupt’ any individual or groups ‘that foment political violence,’ including ‘before they result in violent political acts.’”



5. ....the “indicia” (indicators) of future political violence listed in the report are:

• anti-Americanism,
• anti-capitalism,
• anti-Christianity,
• support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
• extremism on migration,
• extremism on race,
• extremism on gender
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality."
• Trump Classifies “Anti-Capitalism” as a Political Pre-Crime

This is his actual ruling.

For your education"
AI Overview

Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969) was a landmark Supreme Court case that established the "imminent lawless action" test, ruling that the government cannot punish the advocacy of illegal violence unless it is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action. The case involved a Ku Klux Klan leader, Clarence Brandenburg, who was convicted under an Ohio law for advocating violence at a rally. The Court's decision found that the Ohio law was overly broad and violated Brandenburg's First Amendment free speech rights by punishing mere advocacy without regard to the likelihood of imminent violence.

Imminent.....about to happen,

Give any of these as opinions and the directive will get you "investigated." That is not conservative, nor American.

• anti-Americanism,
• anti-capitalism,
• anti-Christianity,
• support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
• extremism on migration,
• extremism on race,
• extremism on gender
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality."
• Trump Classifies “Anti-Capitalism” as a Political Pre-Crime

Where does it say those things in what he did?

Section 1. Antifa as a Terrorist Threat. Antifa is a militarist, anarchist enterprise that explicitly calls for the overthrow of the United States Government, law enforcement authorities, and our system of law. It uses illegal means to organize and execute a campaign of violence and terrorism nationwide to accomplish these goals. This campaign involves coordinated efforts to obstruct enforcement of Federal laws through armed standoffs with law enforcement, organized riots, violent assaults on Immigration and Customs Enforcement and other law enforcement officers, and routine doxing of and other threats against political figures and activists. Antifa recruits, trains, and radicalizes young Americans to engage in this violence and suppression of political activity, then employs elaborate means and mechanisms to shield the identities of its operatives, conceal its funding sources and operations in an effort to frustrate law enforcement, and recruit additional members. Individuals associated with and acting on behalf of Antifa further coordinate with other organizations and entities for the purpose of spreading, fomenting, and advancing political violence and suppressing lawful political speech. This organized effort designed to achieve policy objectives by coercion and intimidation is domestic terrorism.

Sec. 2. Designation as a Domestic Terrorist Organization. Because of the aforementioned pattern of political violence designed to suppress lawful political activity and obstruct the rule of law, I hereby designate Antifa as a “domestic terrorist organization.” All relevant executive departments and agencies shall utilize all applicable authorities to investigate, disrupt, and dismantle any and all illegal operations — especially those involving terrorist actions — conducted by Antifa or any person claiming to act on behalf of Antifa, or for which Antifa or any person claiming to act on behalf of Antifa provided material support, including necessary investigatory and prosecutorial actions against those who fund such operations.

Sec. 3. General Provisions. (a) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law. This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

(b) This order shall be published in the Federal Register.

DONALD J. TRUMP

THE WHITE HOUSE,

September 22, 2025.

 

[Robert W]

For your education"
AI Overview

Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969) was a landmark Supreme Court case that established the "imminent lawless action" test, ruling that the government cannot punish the advocacy of illegal violence unless it is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action. The case involved a Ku Klux Klan leader, Clarence Brandenburg, who was convicted under an Ohio law for advocating violence at a rally. The Court's decision found that the Ohio law was overly broad and violated Brandenburg's First Amendment free speech rights by punishing mere advocacy without regard to the likelihood of imminent violence.

Imminent.....about to happen,

Give any of these as opinions and the directive will get you "investigated." That is not conservative, nor American.

• anti-Americanism,
• anti-capitalism,
• anti-Christianity,
• support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
• extremism on migration,
• extremism on race,
• extremism on gender
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality."
• Trump Classifies “Anti-Capitalism” as a Political Pre-Crime

What shocks me is you are actually defending Antifa.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You needed AI for that?
Did you actually read my post you quoted?
I'm all for free speech, even for demented avenger subverted demoralized Stalinist Marxist Leninist zombies.
Burning, looting, murdering, and other terrorist acts are not free speech issues.
Neither is framing a President, using LAWFARE and the Judiciary to try to jail political opponents, and so on.
I believe that you are reading too much into Trump's proclamation, Chica.
To be honest, it is weird disagreeing with you, but here we are.

Read the OP more carefully. The directive targets folks with opinions the administration doesn't like.

"I'm all for free speech, even for demented avenger subverted demoralized Stalinist Marxist Leninist zombies."

Then you agree, totally, with the OP.




AI Overview

Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969) was a landmark Supreme Court case that established the "imminent lawless action" test, ruling that the government cannot punish the advocacy of illegal violence unless it is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action. The case involved a Ku Klux Klan leader, Clarence Brandenburg, who was convicted under an Ohio law for advocating violence at a rally. The Court's decision found that the Ohio law was overly broad and violated Brandenburg's First Amendment free speech rights by punishing mere advocacy without regard to the likelihood of imminent violence.

Imminent.....about to happen,

Give any of these as opinions and the directive will get you "investigated." That is not conservative, nor American.

• anti-Americanism,
• anti-capitalism,
• anti-Christianity,
• support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
• extremism on migration,
• extremism on race,
• extremism on gender
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality."
• Trump Classifies “Anti-Capitalism” as a Political Pre-Crime

 

[PoliticalChic]

This is his actual ruling.

Where does it say those things in what he did?

Section 1. Antifa as a Terrorist Threat. Antifa is a militarist, anarchist enterprise that explicitly calls for the overthrow of the United States Government, law enforcement authorities, and our system of law. It uses illegal means to organize and execute a campaign of violence and terrorism nationwide to accomplish these goals. This campaign involves coordinated efforts to obstruct enforcement of Federal laws through armed standoffs with law enforcement, organized riots, violent assaults on Immigration and Customs Enforcement and other law enforcement officers, and routine doxing of and other threats against political figures and activists. Antifa recruits, trains, and radicalizes young Americans to engage in this violence and suppression of political activity, then employs elaborate means and mechanisms to shield the identities of its operatives, conceal its funding sources and operations in an effort to frustrate law enforcement, and recruit additional members. Individuals associated with and acting on behalf of Antifa further coordinate with other organizations and entities for the purpose of spreading, fomenting, and advancing political violence and suppressing lawful political speech. This organized effort designed to achieve policy objectives by coercion and intimidation is domestic terrorism.

Sec. 2. Designation as a Domestic Terrorist Organization. Because of the aforementioned pattern of political violence designed to suppress lawful political activity and obstruct the rule of law, I hereby designate Antifa as a “domestic terrorist organization.” All relevant executive departments and agencies shall utilize all applicable authorities to investigate, disrupt, and dismantle any and all illegal operations — especially those involving terrorist actions — conducted by Antifa or any person claiming to act on behalf of Antifa, or for which Antifa or any person claiming to act on behalf of Antifa provided material support, including necessary investigatory and prosecutorial actions against those who fund such operations.

Sec. 3. General Provisions. (a) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law. This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

(b) This order shall be published in the Federal Register.

DONALD J. TRUMP

THE WHITE HOUSE,

September 22, 2025.

AI Overview

Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969) was a landmark Supreme Court case that established the "imminent lawless action" test, ruling that the government cannot punish the advocacy of illegal violence unless it is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action. The case involved a Ku Klux Klan leader, Clarence Brandenburg, who was convicted under an Ohio law for advocating violence at a rally. The Court's decision found that the Ohio law was overly broad and violated Brandenburg's First Amendment free speech rights by punishing mere advocacy without regard to the likelihood of imminent violence.

Imminent.....about to happen,

Give any of these as opinions and the directive will get you "investigated." That is not conservative, nor American.

• anti-Americanism,
• anti-capitalism,
• anti-Christianity,
• support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
• extremism on migration,
• extremism on race,
• extremism on gender
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality."
• Trump Classifies “Anti-Capitalism” as a Political Pre-Crime