If You Were Joyously Anticipating The Demise Of The Democrat Party........

[PoliticalChic]

What shocks me is you are actually defending Antifa.

You are lying.

You are the only one mentioning ANTIFA.



The directive mentions every individual that has a disagreement with the Right.


That's what every Fascist, Bolshevik, Maoist regime does.


I'm amazed that you don't know that.

 

[Robert W]

1. ......here is the danger the nation faces.
If we become the only party, watch out for the same from our side that we hated by them.

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Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.



2. Sometimes what seems like a great idea gets out of hand.


3. "Donald Trump’s designation of “antifa” as a “domestic terrorist organization” last week....Trump signed a national security policy memorandum called “Countering Domestic Terrorism and Organized Political Violence,” known as NSPM-7.


4. ....NPSM-7 “directs a new national strategy to ‘disrupt’ any individual or groups ‘that foment political violence,’ including ‘before they result in violent political acts.’”



5. ....the “indicia” (indicators) of future political violence listed in the report are:

• anti-Americanism,
• anti-capitalism,
• anti-Christianity,
• support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
• extremism on migration,
• extremism on race,
• extremism on gender
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality."
• Trump Classifies “Anti-Capitalism” as a Political Pre-Crime

IS this really how far we, who voted for Trump, want to go????????????????

Key​

1. Designation of Antifa: The memorandum designates Antifa as a "domestic terrorist organization," describing it as a group that seeks to overthrow the U.S. government and disrupt law enforcement.
   
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2. Comprehensive Strategy: NSPM-7 outlines a national strategy to investigate and dismantle networks involved in political violence. It emphasizes the need for federal agencies to coordinate efforts to disrupt illegal operations and prevent violent acts before they occur.
   
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3. Federal Agency Directives: The memorandum directs various federal agencies, including the FBI and the Department of Justice, to take specific actions against organizations and individuals involved in political violence. This includes monitoring financial networks that may support such activities.
   
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4. Implications for Organizations: NSPM-7 raises concerns about the potential for increased scrutiny of tax-exempt organizations and advocacy groups that may be perceived as espousing anti-American or extremist views. The memorandum calls for investigations into these organizations and their funding sources.
   
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5. Context of Political Violence: The memorandum was issued in response to a rise in political violence in the U.S., including riots and targeted attacks on law enforcement agencies. It aims to address what the administration characterizes as organized campaigns of intimidation and radicalization.
   
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   NSPM-7 represents a significant shift in federal policy regarding domestic terrorism, focusing on preemptive measures and the investigation of groups deemed to pose a threat to national security.

 

[Robert W]

You are lying.

You are the only one mentioning ANTIFA.



The directive mentions every individual that has a disagreement with the Right.


That's what every Fascist, Bolshevik, Maoist regime does.


I'm amazed that you don't know that.

Key​

1. Designation of Antifa: The memorandum designates Antifa as a "domestic terrorist organization," describing it as a group that seeks to overthrow the U.S. government and disrupt law enforcement.
   
   1
2. Comprehensive Strategy: NSPM-7 outlines a national strategy to investigate and dismantle networks involved in political violence. It emphasizes the need for federal agencies to coordinate efforts to disrupt illegal operations and prevent violent acts before they occur.
   
   1
3. Federal Agency Directives: The memorandum directs various federal agencies, including the FBI and the Department of Justice, to take specific actions against organizations and individuals involved in political violence. This includes monitoring financial networks that may support such activities.
   
   1
4. Implications for Organizations: NSPM-7 raises concerns about the potential for increased scrutiny of tax-exempt organizations and advocacy groups that may be perceived as espousing anti-American or extremist views. The memorandum calls for investigations into these organizations and their funding sources.
   
   1
5. Context of Political Violence: The memorandum was issued in response to a rise in political violence in the U.S., including riots and targeted attacks on law enforcement agencies. It aims to address what the administration characterizes as organized campaigns of intimidation and radicalization.
   
   1
   NSPM-7 represents a significant shift in federal policy regarding domestic terrorism, focusing on preemptive measures and the investigation of groups deemed to pose a threat to national security.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Read the OP more carefully. The directive targets folks with opinions the administration doesn't like.

"I'm all for free speech, even for demented avenger subverted demoralized Stalinist Marxist Leninist zombies."

Then you agree, totally, with the OP.




AI Overview

Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969) was a landmark Supreme Court case that established the "imminent lawless action" test, ruling that the government cannot punish the advocacy of illegal violence unless it is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action. The case involved a Ku Klux Klan leader, Clarence Brandenburg, who was convicted under an Ohio law for advocating violence at a rally. The Court's decision found that the Ohio law was overly broad and violated Brandenburg's First Amendment free speech rights by punishing mere advocacy without regard to the likelihood of imminent violence.

Imminent.....about to happen,

Give any of these as opinions and the directive will get you "investigated." That is not conservative, nor American.

• anti-Americanism,
• anti-capitalism,
• anti-Christianity,
• support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
• extremism on migration,
• extremism on race,
• extremism on gender
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality."
• Trump Classifies “Anti-Capitalism” as a Political Pre-Crime

Do you believe Portland antifa "advertising" using lasers to take down government aircraft is protected speech?
I don't.

 

[Robert W]

AI Overview

Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969) was a landmark Supreme Court case that established the "imminent lawless action" test, ruling that the government cannot punish the advocacy of illegal violence unless it is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action. The case involved a Ku Klux Klan leader, Clarence Brandenburg, who was convicted under an Ohio law for advocating violence at a rally. The Court's decision found that the Ohio law was overly broad and violated Brandenburg's First Amendment free speech rights by punishing mere advocacy without regard to the likelihood of imminent violence.

Imminent.....about to happen,

Give any of these as opinions and the directive will get you "investigated." That is not conservative, nor American.

• anti-Americanism,
• anti-capitalism,
• anti-Christianity,
• support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
• extremism on migration,
• extremism on race,
• extremism on gender
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality."
• Trump Classifies “Anti-Capitalism” as a Political Pre-Crime

You have been asked by Foxfyre to show that is in the actual order. But you do not want to show the actual order.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Do you believe Portland antifa "advertising" using lasers to take down government aircraft is protected speech?
I don't.

It seems that you believe that any American expressing one of these opinions should get a visit from the police, government agents:

5. ....the “indicia” (indicators) of future political violence listed in the report are:

• anti-Americanism,
• anti-capitalism,
• anti-Christianity,
• support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
• extremism on migration,
• extremism on race,
• extremism on gender
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality."
• Trump Classifies “Anti-Capitalism” as a Political Pre-Crime

 

[PoliticalChic]

You have been asked by Foxfyre to show that is in the actual order. But you do not want to show the actual order.

It clearly states that any expressing one or more of these beliefs should be "investigated."

And you agree with that?

 

[Robert W]

It clearly states that any expressing one or more of these beliefs should be "investigated."

And you agree with that?

I posted the actual order since you don't want to.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Justice Louis Brandeis expressed this sentiment in his concurring opinion in Whitney v. California (1927): “[F]reedom to think as you will and to speak as you think are means indispensable to the discovery and spread of political truth.”

In other words, freedom of speech is important for the proper functioning of a constitutional democracy."

Arguments for freedom: The many reasons why free speech is essential

Freedom of speech is one of the fundamental personal freedoms protected by the First Amendment. Without free speech, individuals could not criticize government officials.

www.thefire.org

 

[PoliticalChic]

I posted the actual order since you don't want to.

You are not telling the truth.


I posted the original link far earlier.....in post #83


It says " A new law enforcement strategy that investigates all participants in these criminal and terroristic conspiracies — including the organized structures, networks, entities, organizations, funding sources, and predicate actions behind them — is required. "

 

[Robert W]

"Justice Louis Brandeis expressed this sentiment in his concurring opinion in Whitney v. California (1927): “[F]reedom to think as you will and to speak as you think are means indispensable to the discovery and spread of political truth.”

In other words, freedom of speech is important for the proper functioning of a constitutional democracy."

Arguments for freedom: The many reasons why free speech is essential

Freedom of speech is one of the fundamental personal freedoms protected by the First Amendment. Without free speech, individuals could not criticize government officials.

www.thefire.org

In the United States, citizens are generally protected from criminal penalties for expressing violent speech under the First Amendment. However, the government can impose restrictions on certain types of speech, including incitement to illegal conduct, which may lead to legal consequences. The Supreme Court has established that while the First Amendment protects free speech, it does not prohibit all forms of speech, and there are exceptions for threats to commit crimes and fighting words. Therefore, while citizens can express their views without immediate legal repercussions, they may face penalties for inciting others to commit violent acts.

FindLaw

 

[PoliticalChic]

In the United States, citizens are generally protected from criminal penalties for expressing violent speech under the First Amendment. However, the government can impose restrictions on certain types of speech, including incitement to illegal conduct, which may lead to legal consequences. The Supreme Court has established that while the First Amendment protects free speech, it does not prohibit all forms of speech, and there are exceptions for threats to commit crimes and fighting words. Therefore, while citizens can express their views without immediate legal repercussions, they may face penalties for inciting others to commit violent acts.
FindLaw

So you want Americans "investigated" for expressisng a view you don't like.

Campioning cancel culture.

 

[Robert W]

You are not telling the truth.


I posted the original link far earlier.....in post #83


It says " A new law enforcement strategy that investigates all participants in these criminal and terroristic conspiracies — including the organized structures, networks, entities, organizations, funding sources, and predicate actions behind them — is required. "

Why do you object to investigations? In criminal and terrorist conspiracies. Your words.

 

[Robert W]

So you want Americans "investigated" for expressisng a view you don't like.

Campioning cancel culture.

Not generically. You know I don't. But when people gather to commit crimes, we can disband the FBI is that is not legal.

 

[Robert W]

So you want Americans "investigated" for expressisng a view you don't like.

Campioning cancel culture.

What is it about illegal and violence you keep objecting to so much?

 

[Robert W]

You are not telling the truth.


I posted the original link far earlier.....in post #83


It says " A new law enforcement strategy that investigates all participants in these criminal and terroristic conspiracies — including the organized structures, networks, entities, organizations, funding sources, and predicate actions behind them — is required. "

I never saw post #$83

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why do you object to investigations? In criminal and terrorist conspiracies. Your words.

AI Overview


Multiple authoritarian and hybrid regimes around the world investigate citizens for expressing opposing views, often using vague laws to suppress dissent and control information
. Reports from human rights organizations like CIVICUS and Freedom House consistently document this practice in numerous countries.

Authoritarian: favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.


Get on board......that's what you favor.

 

[beagle9]

I am going to side with the "By whatever means necessary" side in our fight to destroy dimocrap scum.

Were we immoral in WW2 because we bombed Dresden or Fire-Bombed Tokyo or when we nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, even though the War with Germany and Japan was won?

I'll leave that to the philosphers. The reason we did it was to send the message, "NO MORE!!"

"NEVER AGAIN!" do we want to have to send our Boys to fight and die because you asshats can't control your need to conquer, to murder, to enslave? So, since it seems that the cultures of Japan and Germany existed totally for conquest, MILITARY Conquest, we decided to destroy those Cultures.

And we did. We destroyed the aggressive nature of the German and Japanese Cultures. Totes.

It's been over two generations and they haven't shown any desire to conquer their neighbors again.

THINK about what they did -- Japan murdered at least 30 Million in their War in Asia, Germany murdered at least 40 million in the War in Europe.

Those numbers are not exaggerated. People can choose to not believe them and I'm okay with that. They can choose not to believe the Holocaust numbers, too. Don't care.

The point remains. Whatever means are necessary.

We have one enemy left. Civilization has one disease, one enemy we still have to deal with. Perhaps the worst of them all...... Russia.

Russia is a disease. They are the ones that exported Tyranny to America, dressed up as socialism. And the dimocrap scum party, the filthiest, the most degenerate, the most disgusting political party to ever exist on the Planet is the home of that disease. It has now learned to stand on its own two feet. Without the USSR or Russia, the dimocrap scum party continues to infest America and it needs to be stopped. the dimocrap FILTH party is a bigger threat than German or Japan ever were. And we need to deal with it.....

By Whatever means are necessary.

I'm confused... So what is Ukraine in your mind, otherwise when the Democrats were coddling Zelensky as if he was their number one king in that region ??? Does a so called Russian loving party fuel an adversary of Russia to the tune of Billions of dollars in military aid and equipment ??? If Russia is their nemesis, then it sure didn't look as if that were true by the way the Democrats embraced Zelensky over Russia in that conflict over there.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Not generically. You know I don't. But when people gather to commit crimes, we can disband the FBI is that is not legal.

NOT CRIMES: DIFFERING OPINIONS.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What is it about illegal and violence you keep objecting to so much?

I've reduced you to lying about me.

It's what some people do when they've lost the argument.