If you support Trump ending Birthright Citizenship via executive order you're a hypocrite.

[SassyIrishLass]

If being conservative means looking the other way while millions of mexicans invade the nation then count me out of your gay little club.

Trump's caravan bogeyman is a midterm red herring hoax to distract from real issues like healthcare.

How the **** are we going to have a functional socialist utopia when we keep letting in millions of lazy foreigners who leech off the system?

Funny. They built this country - after ****** stole it from Native Americans.

You'd still be living in tee pees and heating them with buffalo shit

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Let me start off by saying I oppose Birthright Citizenship unless one parent is a US citizen but I am more opposed to Presidents acting like kings who think they can rule by an iron fist.
For YEARS we all railed against Obama's use of the executive pen and rightly so. Do not fall prey to that which you oppose simply because of a letter behind a mans name.
Today I heard Trump on the radio referring to Obama's Dream Act as the excuse for his threat to use the same method to alter the 14th amendment. An act that he Hope's the supreme court will overrule. Yet he wants you to cheer and clap at his own duplicity.

If you are a conservative ACT LIKE IT and stop looking the other way simply because you like Trump.

Presidents are SUPPOSED TO BE near kings. This is entirely within his right. It will do what he intended it to do. It will be challenged and end up before the Supreme Court. Guess which side will win?

 

[impuretrash]

If being conservative means looking the other way while millions of mexicans invade the nation then count me out of your gay little club.

Trump's caravan bogeyman is a midterm red herring hoax to distract from real issues like healthcare.

How the **** are we going to have a functional socialist utopia when we keep letting in millions of lazy foreigners who leech off the system?

Funny. They built this country - after ****** stole it from Native Americans.

Natives existed here for thousands of years before the white man came along and accidentally exterminated them with smallpox. In all that time they never managed to invent the ******* wheel much less create a nation so I don't know what you're on about.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Funny. They built this country - after ****** stole it from Native Americans.

Your "Native Americans" were just a step above the deer and buffalo. They owned nothing. They had no country. They massacred and enslaved other tribes. Yeah, the white man appeared as gods and developed this nation and everybody is better for it.

 

[sparky]

 

[ThisIsMe]

We have to understand, the president is not trying to repeal an amendment with EO, that is not possible, and few would support it.

He is taking an action on the interpretation of the amendment, which is still sketchy, but it will force the SC to litigate the amendment and make a ruling on the meaning of the amendment.

 

[eagle1462010]

We have to understand, the president is not trying to repeal an amendment with EO, that is not possible, and few would support it.

He is taking an action on the interpretation of the amendment, which is still sketchy, but it will force the SC to litigate the amendment and make a ruling on the meaning of the amendment.

Tough to do............seems pretty set in stone to me...........we'll see........it's will be challenged.

 

[Doc1]

Let me start off by saying I oppose Birthright Citizenship unless one parent is a US citizen but I am more opposed to Presidents acting like kings who think they can rule by an iron fist.
For YEARS we all railed against Obama's use of the executive pen and rightly so. Do not fall prey to that which you oppose simply because of a letter behind a mans name.
Today I heard Trump on the radio referring to Obama's Dream Act as the excuse for his threat to use the same method to alter the 14th amendment. An act that he Hope's the supreme court will overrule. Yet he wants you to cheer and clap at his own duplicity.

If you are a conservative ACT LIKE IT and stop looking the other way simply because you like Trump.

You are ignorant. You actually think that our pre-eminent legal document legalizes an illegal act.

 

[BrokeLoser]

If being conservative means looking the other way while millions of mexicans invade the nation then count me out of your gay little club.

Trump's caravan bogeyman is a midterm red herring hoax to distract from real issues like healthcare.

How the **** are we going to have a functional socialist utopia when we keep letting in millions of lazy foreigners who leech off the system?

Funny. They built this country - after ****** stole it from Native Americans.

Haha...Yep, and the dude cleaning shitters for Bill Gates built Microsoft.

 

[DGS49]

THE DIFFERENCE IS THIS: Obama used Executive Orders to countermand actual laws and parts of the Constitution. This Executive Order (assuming it ever comes to being) would merely reflect a completely-defensible re-interpretation of SIX WORDS in the 14th Amendment.

There is no law or binding Supreme Court decision supporting the interpretation that currently guides the Federal Government on this point. There is one bit of dicta, found in a footnote of a Supreme Court opinion. That's it.

The Executive Order would be appropriate and within Trump's authority as President. In fact, he would be doing us all a service by raising the point for final adjudication.

Because it would be challengeable in court. As soon as any "anchor baby" is discriminated against by a Government agency, acting in accordance with Trump's guidance, the ACLU will jump on the case, file suit for Declaratory Judgment, and the case will inevitably rise to the USSC. If Trump is wrong, he will be beat down. Otherwise, "we" win.

Or maybe Congress will take the initiative and clarify the point, once and for all. But I'm not holding my breath for that to happen, particularly if the D's win on Tuesday.

 

[The VOR]

Trump is just setting up the legal scuffle on this. Part of Trump’s Comprehensive Illegal Immigration Reform Act

The 14th wasn't written to allow children of illegals to become US citizens, it's time to follow the Constitution as it is written and stop "interpreting" it to suit agendas.

I doubt an EO will hold up in the matter but it would open up the can of worms to allow it to be addressed by the courts. Gorusch and Kavanaugh are looking like sweet picks in that regard ...another reason Trump winning was so important

You are so proud of the ***** Grabber, aren't you?

I'm proud of him for sending leftist assholes like you into hysterics.

Now why don't you address the topic instead of your usual flaming and nonsense?

The 14th was never intended to be used to give illegal's spawn citizenship.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

It seems pretty ******* clear to me. A lot clearer than that well-regulated militia one.

 

[impuretrash]

Let me start off by saying I oppose Birthright Citizenship unless one parent is a US citizen but I am more opposed to Presidents acting like kings who think they can rule by an iron fist.
For YEARS we all railed against Obama's use of the executive pen and rightly so. Do not fall prey to that which you oppose simply because of a letter behind a mans name.
Today I heard Trump on the radio referring to Obama's Dream Act as the excuse for his threat to use the same method to alter the 14th amendment. An act that he Hope's the supreme court will overrule. Yet he wants you to cheer and clap at his own duplicity.

If you are a conservative ACT LIKE IT and stop looking the other way simply because you like Trump.

You are ignorant. You actually think that our pre-eminent legal document legalizes an illegal act.

Theres a reason why we call these types cuckservatives. They're willing to let their nation be raped and let everything they supposedly hold dear be destroyed because someone interpreted the constitution in a certain way.

 

[Doc1]

Trump is just setting up the legal scuffle on this. Part of Trump’s Comprehensive Illegal Immigration Reform Act

The 14th wasn't written to allow children of illegals to become US citizens, it's time to follow the Constitution as it is written and stop "interpreting" it to suit agendas.

I doubt an EO will hold up in the matter but it would open up the can of worms to allow it to be addressed by the courts. Gorusch and Kavanaugh are looking like sweet picks in that regard ...another reason Trump winning was so important

You are so proud of the ***** Grabber, aren't you?

I'm proud of him for sending leftist assholes like you into hysterics.

Now why don't you address the topic instead of your usual flaming and nonsense?

The 14th was never intended to be used to give illegal's spawn citizenship.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

It seems pretty ******* clear to me. A lot clearer than that well-regulated militia one.

LOL, you need more education boy.

 

[rightwinger]

Trump is just setting up the legal scuffle on this. Part of Trump’s Comprehensive Illegal Immigration Reform Act

The 14th wasn't written to allow children of illegals to become US citizens, it's time to follow the Constitution as it is written and stop "interpreting" it to suit agendas.

I doubt an EO will hold up in the matter but it would open up the can of worms to allow it to be addressed by the courts. Gorusch and Kavanaugh are looking like sweet picks in that regard ...another reason Trump winning was so important

Even a stacked conservative court would laugh at him

 

[The VOR]

Trump is just setting up the legal scuffle on this. Part of Trump’s Comprehensive Illegal Immigration Reform Act

The 14th wasn't written to allow children of illegals to become US citizens, it's time to follow the Constitution as it is written and stop "interpreting" it to suit agendas.

I doubt an EO will hold up in the matter but it would open up the can of worms to allow it to be addressed by the courts. Gorusch and Kavanaugh are looking like sweet picks in that regard ...another reason Trump winning was so important

You are so proud of the ***** Grabber, aren't you?

I'm proud of him for sending leftist assholes like you into hysterics.

Now why don't you address the topic instead of your usual flaming and nonsense?

The 14th was never intended to be used to give illegal's spawn citizenship.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

It seems pretty ******* clear to me. A lot clearer than that well-regulated militia one.

LOL, you need more education boy.

That's hilarious, coming from an idiot like you.

 

[Doc1]

Trump is just setting up the legal scuffle on this. Part of Trump’s Comprehensive Illegal Immigration Reform Act

The 14th wasn't written to allow children of illegals to become US citizens, it's time to follow the Constitution as it is written and stop "interpreting" it to suit agendas.

I doubt an EO will hold up in the matter but it would open up the can of worms to allow it to be addressed by the courts. Gorusch and Kavanaugh are looking like sweet picks in that regard ...another reason Trump winning was so important

You are so proud of the ***** Grabber, aren't you?

I'm proud of him for sending leftist assholes like you into hysterics.

Now why don't you address the topic instead of your usual flaming and nonsense?

The 14th was never intended to be used to give illegal's spawn citizenship.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

It seems pretty ******* clear to me. A lot clearer than that well-regulated militia one.

LOL, you need more education boy.

That's hilarious, coming from an idiot like you.

Go for it boi
So you think that the pre-eminent "legal" document in our Nation legalizes an illegality?
Show me where the SC said that....

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Trump is just setting up the legal scuffle on this. Part of Trump’s Comprehensive Illegal Immigration Reform Act

The 14th wasn't written to allow children of illegals to become US citizens, it's time to follow the Constitution as it is written and stop "interpreting" it to suit agendas.

I doubt an EO will hold up in the matter but it would open up the can of worms to allow it to be addressed by the courts. Gorusch and Kavanaugh are looking like sweet picks in that regard ...another reason Trump winning was so important

You are so proud of the ***** Grabber, aren't you?

I'm proud of him for sending leftist assholes like you into hysterics.

Now why don't you address the topic instead of your usual flaming and nonsense?

The 14th was never intended to be used to give illegal's spawn citizenship.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

It seems pretty ******* clear to me. A lot clearer than that well-regulated militia one.

LOL, you need more education boy.

Interesting SCOTUS case and ruling in this one...Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94

Notice it was heard 16 years after the 14th was ratified and shoots the shit out of anyone born on US soil is an automatic citizen

 

[saveliberty]

There are several points to be made on this debate.

1. The 14th Amendment was passed to give recently freed slaves political rights. Declaring them citizens if born in the US. Taken in the narrow sense, it would not apply in present day.

2. United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) was based on the 14th, but this was to legal immigrants.

3. In fact, all cases involving the 14th center on citizens of the US, none of whom were illegals.

4. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. Note citizenship is conditional to being subject to the jurisdiction of the US. Illegally born may be denied on that basis perhaps.

One thing is clear, the Supreme Court has not directly answered the question. An executive order, no matter how poorly considered, would open the door to a ruling. Frankly, I hate executive orders.

 

[LoneLaugher]

If being conservative means looking the other way while millions of mexicans invade the nation then count me out of your gay little club.

Trump's caravan bogeyman is a midterm red herring hoax to distract from real issues like healthcare.

How the **** are we going to have a functional socialist utopia when we keep letting in millions of lazy foreigners who leech off the system?

Funny. They built this country - after ****** stole it from Native Americans.

You'd still be living in tee pees and heating them with buffalo shit

Yeah. That’s because god wanted white people to be smarter and more industrious. That’s why he made most humans whit.......uh.....oops.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I LOVE this entire discussion about how the 14th amendment was limited to the situation on the ground at the time.

It’s awesome.