If you support abortion bans...

[Chuz Life]

Would you then support mandatory coverage for birth control in health care insurance plans? Would you support condom distribution in schools? Would you support a national sex Ed program?

This is a non starter / red herring.

Those of us who oppose abortions already know that we could meet all of your demands for condoms, sex ed, free health care, etc. and you and your ilk would still demand abortions remain legal.

You (and your ilk) deny that an abortion kills a child and for as long as you can maintain the denial of that biological fact, you don't have to consider the violation of the child's rights that an abortion most often entails.

 

[emilynghiem]

Would you then support mandatory coverage for birth control in health care insurance plans? Would you support condom distribution in schools? Would you support a national sex Ed program?

Dear Nosmo King
I would advise and support BOTH the prochoice AND the prolife groups
to demand conditions be passed in states planning to enforce EITHER legislation
And add either of these conditions:

Each district or state planning to enforce such extreme policies
should first reduce the rates of unwanted pregnancy, rape, sex abuse
and relationship abuse cases to 0%.

In other words, if the prolife advocates want to ban abortions, they
would have to guarantee there are no unwanted pregnancies
FORCED on women against their consent so that there NO ABORTIONS necessary.

This would protect the choice of women EQUALLY
as the life of the unborn by eliminating unwanted pregnancy to begin with.

(Otherwise, this would lead to violating rights of women.)

And if prochoice advocates want to protect free choice of women
NOT TO BE FORCED to carry pregnancies to term,
they ALSO would have to guarantee that all residents under that policy
have AGREED to abstain from sex if pregnancy is not desired,
(possibly by signing consent agreements in advance, so that
all parties agree to these terms IN WRITING, as some College
Campuses already implement within their student policies).

Again by preventing unwanted pregnancy 100%
this would protect both the life of the unborn
AND people of prolife beliefs from infringement
WITHOUT INFRINGING on rights of women either.

If this sounds extreme or impossible, that's why
the state shouldn't be making laws either banning
or legalizing abortion. Because people on both sides
have equal right to defend their beliefs, all people in
a district or state should either agree on a policy so it
doesn't impose a bias toward one belief over another,
OR ELIMINATE UNWANTED PREGNANCY, RAPE, AND ABUSE
where the rate would be 0% anyway. So nobody's rights would be violated.

 

[emilynghiem]

I support abortion bans in principle, because abortion is murder. However if abortion is banned, women will still have them.

How many (what percentage?) of women would still seek abortions, if every medical and legal source was informing them of the biological fact that a child's life and rights begins at conception?

Dear Chuz Life
You'd have to start before that point.
Like educating and training men as well NOT TO HAVE SEX
if they don't desire pregnancy and/or raising children.

Do states need to start charging men with RAPE
for acts resulting in unwanted sex, unwanted pregnancy,
unwanted children or abortion
before they take sex this seriously?

Would that help?
Instead of just putting the responsibility on women?

 

[emilynghiem]

Would you then support mandatory coverage for birth control in health care insurance plans? Would you support condom distribution in schools? Would you support a national sex Ed program?

Of course not.

For those hostile to privacy rights it’s about more government and bigger government interfering in citizens’ private lives, it’s about compelling conformity and increasing the authority of the state at the expense of individual liberty.

^ BINGO C_Clayton_Jones
Now if you just applied what you said here
back to the issue of right of CHOICE in health care without govt controlling it,
you might have credibility when you argue for this when it comes to abortion.

However, if you only apply this argument above to
choice of ABORTION and
not also choice of health care,
that's how you come across as only arguing
for your political beliefs and agenda
and "not caring" about the principles you stated about individual liberty.

I wish you could be consistent in both cases.
You'd have a lot more leverage and support if you argued
for individual liberty across the board and not just when politically convenient for onesided agenda.

 

[emilynghiem]

Would you then support mandatory coverage for birth control in health care insurance plans? Would you support condom distribution in schools? Would you support a national sex Ed program?

Of course not.

For those hostile to privacy rights it’s about more government and bigger government interfering in citizens’ private lives, it’s about compelling conformity and increasing the authority of the state at the expense of individual liberty.

^ BINGO C_Clayton_Jones
Now if you just applied what you said here
back to the issue of right of CHOICE in health care without govt controlling it,
you might have credibility when you argue for this when it comes to abortion.

However, if you only apply this argument above to
choice of ABORTION and
not also choice of health care,
that's how you come across as only arguing
for your political beliefs and agenda
and "not caring" about the principles you stated about individual liberty.

I wish you could be consistent in both cases.
You'd have a lot more leverage and support if you argued
for individual liberty across the board and not just when politically convenient for onesided agenda.

 

[Silver Blooded]

Would you then support mandatory coverage for birth control in health care insurance plans? Would you support condom distribution in schools? Would you support a national sex Ed program?

Leave the government/schools out of personal business...

Isn't a federal ban on abortion the epitome of government interference in a personal life? Should the government interfere with the decisions between a woman and her doctor?

No one is asking for a federal ban on abortion, dude. We want Roe v. Wade to be overturned so that states can decide what THEY want to do. New York City and Chicago will still be able to kill their third trimester babies if they want.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I think murder is an appropriate term actually. When everyone thinks of murder they’re not thinking about the strict legal interpretation. Killing someone who doesn’t represent a threat to you or hasn’t done anything to you to justify you killing them is murder. It’s even worse when the person who is killed is a helpless victim. You’re correct only in terms of semantics.

do you call it murder when the military kills civilians during a war?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I support abortion bans in principle, because abortion is murder. However if abortion is banned, women will still have them.

Abortion is not ‘murder’ – and the notion of ‘banning’ abortion is devoid of principle, it’s just authoritarianism.

So at what point do you begin to claim it is murder? A year after birth? A week after birth? Immediately after? A week before? What determines the difference between abortion and murder? At what point does the father have a say? Never or at some point in the process?

Do you agree that a premature birth should be eligible for abortion? If not would that be murder? If so then why is it not murder?

Murder is 100% a legal term, so it matters not what you or Clayton claim, all that matters is what the legal system states.

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Unbelievable so you think only the government gets to define what murder is?

The Gestapo would consider you a fine German citizen


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The word is already defined. I am sorry you do not like the definition, but it is there.

Murder is the unlawful killing of another person.

Abortion is not against the law, thus abortion cannot be murder.

 

[CowboyTed]

I don't support abortion bans, just mother's aware they are killing a human being and not a clump of cells.


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So is IVF just huge slaughter of humans? Why don't ye want to ban IVF?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Would you then support mandatory coverage for birth control in health care insurance plans? Would you support condom distribution in schools? Would you support a national sex Ed program?

This is a non starter / red herring.

Those of us who oppose abortions already know that we could meet all of your demands for condoms, sex ed, free health care, etc. and you and your ilk would still demand abortions remain legal.

You (and your ilk) deny that an abortion kills a child and for as long as you can maintain the denial of that biological fact, you don't have to consider the violation of the child's rights that an abortion most often entails.

The best way to stop abortion is to decrease the number of pregnancies. Why would you not do all in your power to decrease the number of pregnancies if decreasing the number of abortions is really your goal?

Far too many people let their political ideology get in the way of actually decreasing the number of abortions.

 

[JoeB131]

I don't support abortion bans, just mother's aware they are killing a human being and not a clump of cells.

and how do you force someone to have your beliefs? Telepathy.

 

[JoeB131]

The real reason you want abortions is to prevent the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ...admit it already.

How can Jesus come a second time when he never existed to start with?

 

[JoeB131]

If a ***** wants to ****, let her, but when it comes to an abortion, since she did it, she needs to pay for the abortion, not me.

As long as I have to pay for wars and corporate welfare, you should pay for abortions.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

No, no and no.

Old people don't need birth control because of their age induced sterility, so why should they buy a policy that includes it? Sodomy as well is non-procreative, homos don't need birth control either. Same with celibate individuals- why should groups of nuns or monks or incel individuals have to buy a policy that doesn't cover them. Further, some major religious groups including the Catholic Church are morally opposed to contraception.

Ditto for schools, a lot of students belong to religious faiths that do not sanction prophylactics.

As far as a national sex ed program, different Americans have different ideas about sex ed.

Old people, or really anyone without kids do not need schools, but yet they all help pay for them.

It all comes down to if your political ideology is more important than decreasing the number of abortion

 

[JoeB131]

People need to stop making private choices the liability of the taxpayer.
Tummy tucks, sex changes, breast augmentation, etc. are personal choices as is having sex without insurance to cover the cost of the results of that union.

If we could postpone sexual activity until after college graduation, we could eliminate STIs (STDs.)

Yeah, good luck with that....

Hey on that subject, let's get rid of all heart surgery, If you need heart surgery, it's usually because of your own poor life choices. - eating fatty foods, smoking, etc.

 

[Norman]

No, no and no.

Old people don't need birth control because of their age induced sterility, so why should they buy a policy that includes it? Sodomy as well is non-procreative, homos don't need birth control either. Same with celibate individuals- why should groups of nuns or monks or incel individuals have to buy a policy that doesn't cover them. Further, some major religious groups including the Catholic Church are morally opposed to contraception.

Ditto for schools, a lot of students belong to religious faiths that do not sanction prophylactics.

As far as a national sex ed program, different Americans have different ideas about sex ed.

Old people, or really anyone without kids do not need schools, but yet they all help pay for them.

It all comes down to if your political ideology is more important than decreasing the number of abortion

I thought you were a libertarian?

Can you explain how forcing someone to buy a policy they don't want fits into the libertarian framework?

 

[Crixus]

Would you then support mandatory coverage for birth control in health care insurance plans? Would you support condom distribution in schools? Would you support a national sex Ed program?

That’s already covered in multiple ways. Birth control is free to those who need it.

 

[Norman]

Would you then support mandatory coverage for birth control in health care insurance plans? Would you support condom distribution in schools? Would you support a national sex Ed program?

That’s already covered in multiple ways. Birth control is free to those who need it.

Yeah, what would those poor people do without birth control... die?

 

[SweetSue92]

Would you then support mandatory coverage for birth control in health care insurance plans? Would you support condom distribution in schools? Would you support a national sex Ed program?

Probably not because in all cases you're trampling on individual rights with Big Government. However in no way am I opposed to birth control and find it much preferable to abortion, naturally.

 

[Crixus]

Would you then support mandatory coverage for birth control in health care insurance plans? Would you support condom distribution in schools? Would you support a national sex Ed program?

That’s already covered in multiple ways. Birth control is free to those who need it.

Yeah, what would those poor people do without birth control... die?

What if I can’t afford birth control?


What if I can’t afford birth control?


If you can’t afford birth control, you have options! Get in touch with the staff at your local Planned Parenthood health center. Planned Parenthood works to make health care accessible and affordable for everyone, so some health centers are able to charge according to income. Most Planned Parenthood health centers accept health insurance, and if you qualify, Medicaid or other state programs could help lower the cost of birth control for you. The staff at your local health center can talk with you about costs and payment for your specific situation. They can also tell you about other birth control options that might be more affordable, like condoms — which are about $1 each if you buy them in a store, but are often available for free at health centers.