Zone1 If you commit a crime, should you be punished?

[PeterPilot]

We are a nation of laws. We pride ourselves on the order that our legal system instills. Yet we are also a nation of mercy and compassion; however, the fundamental question arises: If you commit a crime, should you be punished? That should be an easy answer, yet some insist upon exceptions to the law.

One such exception is illegal immigration. The majority of illegal immigrants come here to find work, yet the fact remains that they have still violated the law. They have taken jobs in critical industries, like construction, childcare, landscaping, manufacturing, etc. A majority of people insist upon a path to citizenship for these people, while others insist on deportation. Some claim that since these people are well-meaning, they shouldn't be rounded up and deported mercilessly.

But my question is, when do we enact the punishment? Why can't we punish them? They broke the law. Why should they be rewarded for breaching the sovereignty of another nation?

Excellent question! I would offer what St. Paul said to the Corinthians, the letter of the law brings death, the spirit of the law brings life.

As a US citizen familiar with the founding document and early republic case law, I know I have no obligation whatsoever to obey a law that is illegitimate, a law that violates the US Constitution.

 

[candycorn]

Deportation is their punishment. Being rid of them quickly saves us money.

So an American who commits a crime gets prison time.
An illegal who commits the same crime gets deported and can come back across the border whenever they want?

Sounds like the Illegal is getting the better end of the deal.

 

[candycorn]

Except the judge prevented Trump's defense for calling expert witnesses that would have testified that nothing Trump did was a crime. With no Federal Crime, the misdemeanor couldn't have been elevated to felony status and the statute of limitation had run out. The judge clearly had his thumb on the scales of justice.

never happened.

 

[Woodznutz]

So an American who commits a crime gets prison time.
An illegal who commits the same crime gets deported and can come back across the border whenever they want?

Sounds like the Illegal is getting the better end of the deal.

I think they will be imprisoned if they come back now.

 

[candycorn]

I think they will be imprisoned if they come back now.

You’d be wrong. Multiple deportations are pretty common.

 

[Woodznutz]

You’d be wrong. Multiple deportations are pretty common.

Were common. There's a new sheriff in town.

 

[sartre play]

We are a nation of laws. We pride ourselves on the order that our legal system instills. Yet we are also a nation of mercy and compassion; however, the fundamental question arises: If you commit a crime, should you be punished? That should be an easy answer, yet some insist upon exceptions to the law.

One such exception is illegal immigration. The majority of illegal immigrants come here to find work, yet the fact remains that they have still violated the law. They have taken jobs in critical industries, like construction, childcare, landscaping, manufacturing, etc. A majority of people insist upon a path to citizenship for these people, while others insist on deportation. Some claim that since these people are well-meaning, they shouldn't be rounded up and deported mercilessly.

But my question is, when do we enact the punishment? Why can't we punish them? They broke the law. Why should they be rewarded for breaching the sovereignty of another nation?

IF one exception are illegal immigrants
Then Also shouldn't those with the money power & connections to break the law, and get away with it,
also be included as exceptions?

 

[candycorn]

Were common. There's a new sheriff in town.

Thats funny...so we don’t have anyone crossing the border these days...?

 

[OODA_Loop]

Thats funny...so we don’t have anyone crossing the border these days...?

Illegal Border Crossings Plunge To All-Time Low In June

Illegal border crossings reached an all-time low in June thanks to what border czar Tom Homan labeled Tuesday as the

ijr.com

Only 6,070 encounters were recorded at the U.S.-Mexico border last month, according to Homan, who oversees the Trump administration’s border control and deportation efforts. Homan credited the drop in border encounters to the deterrent effect of the administration’s strict immigration enforcement policies and harsh consequences for illegal entry.

“That is less than a single day under Biden. As a matter of fact, the total number of encounters is less than half of a single day under Biden,” Homan wrote on X, “President Trump has created the most secure border in the history of the nation and the data proves it. We have never seen numbers this low. Never.”