If we won the war why is Iran making demands before an end to the war?

[Slyhunter]

Doesn't look like they cry Uncle or anything else.

Bombing back on.

Bombing what? We need to hurt the Government not the people. They don't care about their people's lives. Carpet bombing will not work. We need to take possession of the Uranium areas and pull it out ourselves. Limited ground war. Bombing the oil won't work, we need to locate and kill their leaders, but they are probably hiding out in the Bahamas.

 

[candycorn]

tell us how the US has lost the war ?

We demanded unconditional surrender; we didn't get it. So that is a concession if nothing else.

Most would call it a loss considering the paradox of a pipsqueak nation is holding the world hostage by closing the Strait of Hormuz and we're unable to open it.

All of that with the backdrop of there was no reason for the US to attack in the first place and the Strait was open prior to our attacking.

 

[cnm]

dictate ?

their 1st , 2nd and 3rd tear leadership illiminated .
their navy destroyed .
their air force destroyed.
their military industrial sites and drone manufacturing sites destroyed
air defense system and radar destroyed.
their nuclear enrichment capabilities destroyed .
they have agreed to turn over their enriched nuclear "DUST" and stop threatening the Strait .
the islamofascist regime and their leftist allies have been defeated ..

Ah, bodycounts.

Remember them?

 

[Man With A Plan]

Those thoughts must be comforting to you.

Meanwhile, gas is over $4 in Texas and I don't see it coming down because the Iranians are stringing the Dementia Don like a dog on a leash.

The Iranians haven't won a war since the Islamic Republic was formed. Militarily they suck! What they've always been great at is stalling. They've found that if they can just drag out negotiations for years and disrupt the world's oil supply while they're doing it that the rest of the world eventually loses interest. They start selling oil on the black market. They start up their nuclear program again. They start building missiles. They resume funding proxies and terror. They've been doing that for DECADES!

Trump isn't Obama. He figured out what Iran's Achilles' heel is. They use the threat of shutting down the Straight of Hormuz to scare the rest of the industrial world. But Trump realized that if you kept Iran from being able to sell their oil that everything starts to fall apart for the IRGC. Trump saw that a blockade would bring the Iranian regime down without having to put boots on the ground. The Iranian regime can't provide food, water, gasoline or electricity for it's people. Their currency is now worthless. The population is growing ever more restive. Protests are starting again. Now THEY are the ones with a ticking clock! They may not care about their people but they know that the people are reaching the breaking point. All of these things ARE comforting to me!

 

[berg80]

Trump isn't Obama.

True. The latter put an agreement in place with 5 other countries + the EU, without firing a shot, that removed Iran's capacity to make a nuclear bomb.

Has trump now snatched defeat from the jaws of victory?

Brent crude climbs as Iran vows retaliation against ceasefire violations after U.S. military strikes​

Brent crude oil rose Tuesday as U.S. military operations in southern Iran and President Donald Trump’s mixed messaging on the negotiations between Tehran and Washington kept traders on edge.

July futures for international benchmark Brent crude gained 3.4% to $99.39 a barrel by 10:45 a.m. in London (5:45 a.m. ET), while U.S. West Texas Intermediate futures for July were trading 3.9% lower at $92.85 per barrel compared with Friday’s close. There was no WTI price settlement on Monday due to the U.S. Memorial Day holiday.

The U.S. military said it “conducted self-defense strikes in southern Iran today,” targeting vessels allegedly trying to deploy mines, as well as missile launch locations. The U.S. Central Command said the actions were intended “to protect our troops from threats posed by Iranian forces.”

Brent oil price jumps 3% after Iran vows to retaliate for U.S. strikes​

 

[Divine Wind]

The Iranians haven't won a war since the Islamic Republic was formed. Militarily they suck! What they've always been great at is stalling. They've found that if they can just drag out negotiations for years and disrupt the world's oil supply while they're doing it that the rest of the world eventually loses interest. They start selling oil on the black market. They start up their nuclear program again. They start building missiles. They resume funding proxies and terror. They've been doing that for DECADES!

Trump isn't Obama. He figured out what Iran's Achilles' heel is. They use the threat of shutting down the Straight of Hormuz to scare the rest of the industrial world. But Trump realized that if you kept Iran from being able to sell their oil that everything starts to fall apart for the IRGC. Trump saw that a blockade would bring the Iranian regime down without having to put boots on the ground. The Iranian regime can't provide food, water, gasoline or electricity for it's people. Their currency is now worthless. The population is growing ever more restive. Protests are starting again. Now THEY are the ones with a ticking clock! They may not care about their people but they know that the people are reaching the breaking point. All of these things ARE comforting to me!

They didn't lose the Iran-Iraq war either. Both sides just lost a lot of people. You seem to be forgetting that these are religious fanatics on par with Evangelicals.

Both groups have faith a greater eternal existence awaits and, therefore, are not fretting about material concerns like money and pundits screaming about "who won".

 

[Divine Wind]

Yeah, they'll have their hands full. But it's not our war. It's time they learned to get along with their neighbors.

Israel is at peace with most of it's Arab neighbors and was about to sign a pact with Saudi Arabia when the Iranian-back Hamas attacked on October 7th 2023.

The Israeli attacks in Lebanon and Gaza are both against Iranian-backed terrorists.

On a side note, this is why the Iranians aren't really concerned about their "navy" or other conventional forces; they are 45 year experts at asymmetrical warfare and using proxy terrorist groups.

 

[Divine Wind]

I paid $3.86 gallon in South Carolina, I guess. It sucks to be you! Lol

Good for you! Brag about that to the millions of Americans who are paying, on average, $4.49 a gallon. Be sure to brag loud and proud all the way to November.

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[Divine Wind]

We demanded unconditional surrender; we didn't get it. So that is a concession if nothing else.

Most would call it a loss considering the paradox of a pipsqueak nation is holding the world hostage by closing the Strait of Hormuz and we're unable to open it.

All of that with the backdrop of there was no reason for the US to attack in the first place and the Strait was open prior to our attacking.

Agreed. The big shocker is that Trump attacked Iran on the pretense of killing a nuclear program he claimed to have already "obliterated". Now he's conceding a two month grace time to discuss a nuke treaty in exchange for opening the Strait now.

That's not winning. That's conceding as you pointed out.

 

[Man With A Plan]

They didn't lose the Iran-Iraq war either. Both sides just lost a lot of people. You seem to be forgetting that these are religious fanatics on par with Evangelicals.

Both groups have faith a greater eternal existence awaits and, therefore, are not fretting about material concerns like money and pundits screaming about "who won".

I didn't say Iran lost the Iran-Iraq war...I said that Iran hasn't won a war since the Shah was overthrown. Their military sucks. Iran pays other people to fight for them so they don't get their asses kicked!

Equating the Mullahs with Evangelicals is mind numbingly stupid, Divine. Evangelicals don't slaughter tens of thousands of people in the streets for holding different views than they hold! They don't sponsor terror. They don't impoverish their own so they can build weapons of mass destruction.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Israel is at peace with most of it's Arab neighbors and was about to sign a pact with Saudi Arabia when the Iranian-back Hamas attacked on October 7th 2023.

The Israeli attacks in Lebanon and Gaza are both against Iranian-backed terrorists.

On a side note, this is why the Iranians aren't really concerned about their "navy" or other conventional forces; they are 45 year experts at asymmetrical warfare and using proxy terrorist groups.

What does it take to conduct asymmetrical warfare and use proxies, Divine? It takes MONEY! Donald Trump gets that. It's why we imposed the blockade. Hamas...Hezbollah and the Houthis aren't a threat if they aren't being armed by the Iranians. They literally dry up and blow away. Cut off the funds and the proxies are stalemated.

 

[Lockback]

Is it ronery at the old folks home, Back? You seem more needy than usual tonight. No one wants to be with you on Memorial Day?

A lament and song from your Orange Jesus' pen pal:


The fact remains Trump's war in Iran will be with Americans for weeks to come if not well into next year.

You're an unserious, shit flinging clown and nothing more.
Nothing about you rings true. And nothing about you is important or impressive.

 

[Man With A Plan]

True. The latter put an agreement in place with 5 other countries + the EU, without firing a shot, that removed Iran's capacity to make a nuclear bomb.

Has trump now snatched defeat from the jaws of victory?

Brent crude climbs as Iran vows retaliation against ceasefire violations after U.S. military strikes​

Brent crude oil rose Tuesday as U.S. military operations in southern Iran and President Donald Trump’s mixed messaging on the negotiations between Tehran and Washington kept traders on edge.

July futures for international benchmark Brent crude gained 3.4% to $99.39 a barrel by 10:45 a.m. in London (5:45 a.m. ET), while U.S. West Texas Intermediate futures for July were trading 3.9% lower at $92.85 per barrel compared with Friday’s close. There was no WTI price settlement on Monday due to the U.S. Memorial Day holiday.

The U.S. military said it “conducted self-defense strikes in southern Iran today,” targeting vessels allegedly trying to deploy mines, as well as missile launch locations. The U.S. Central Command said the actions were intended “to protect our troops from threats posed by Iranian forces.”

Brent oil price jumps 3% after Iran vows to retaliate for U.S. strikes​

Anyone claiming that Obama's agreement with Iran was stopping them from developing an atomic bomb isn't a serious person, Berg! It's obvious that they still WERE in the process of doing exactly that...the only real question is how far along were they?

 

[Woodznutz]

If we won the war why is Iran making demands before an end to the war?
Right now Iran has enriched uranium, the regime is in place as radical as ever.
The strait of Hormuz is closed.

If we have obliterated the country where do they have power to make any demands. If we hold all the cards, how can we be in this position?

Iran holds the "trump" card (how ironic is that), the Gulf of Hormuz.

 

[Divine Wind]

I didn't say Iran lost the Iran-Iraq war...I said that Iran hasn't won a war since the Shah was overthrown. Their military sucks. Iran pays other people to fight for them so they don't get their asses kicked!

Equating the Mullahs with Evangelicals is mind numbingly stupid, Divine. Evangelicals don't slaughter tens of thousands of people in the streets for holding different views than they hold! They don't sponsor terror. They don't impoverish their own so they can build weapons of mass destruction.

Agreed their conventional forces suck, but that's not the problem, is it?

Religious fanatics have murdered millions over the ages. Jews, Christians and Muslims are all guilty of this. Do you disagree?

 

[EdwinAMartin]

If we won the war why is Iran making demands before an end to the war?
Right now Iran has enriched uranium, the regime is in place as radical as ever.
The strait of Hormuz is closed.

If we have obliterated the country where do they have power to make any demands. If we hold all the cards, how can we be in this position?

You're such an idiot.

 

[Divine Wind]

Iran holds the "trump" card (how ironic is that), the Gulf of Hormuz.

I think you meant the Strait, but agreed on Iran holding their "trump" card.

Meanwhile, Trump proved he doesn't know how to play Uno. I'm guessing he doesn't know how to pump gas either.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116502804889768576

 

[Man With A Plan]

Agreed their conventional forces suck, but that's not the problem, is it?

Religious fanatics have murdered millions over the ages. Jews, Christians and Muslims are all guilty of this. Do you disagree?

Religious fanatics HAVE murdered millions over the ages but that doesn't make Evangelicals the same as the butchers in Tehran though, Divine and I think deep down you know that!

Iran has always used the threat of their proxies to hold the rest of the world hostage...would you like to explain to me how Barack giving the Mullahs billions of dollars so that they could FUND those proxies was an intelligent strategy? Trump understand that the way to get rid of the proxies is to starve Iran economically. That's a strategy that makes sense.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Iran holds the "trump" card (how ironic is that), the Gulf of Hormuz.

It depends on how you look at it, Woodz...yes, Iran can cause major damage to the world's economies by closing the Straight of Hormuz but the US can utterly destroy Iran's economy by blockading it's ports. Iran's strategy of closing the Straight and waiting for the world to bow to their demands doesn't work when someone shuts down their ability to sell oil. They can't out last others in a battle of wills. Their economy can't do it. Their only chance right now is if the Democrats in America can win the mid terms and stop Trump from waging war and even that chance is iffy...they very well may not make it until November! Things are that dire in Iran right now!

 

[Divine Wind]

Religious fanatics HAVE murdered millions over the ages but that doesn't make Evangelicals the same as the butchers in Tehran though, Divine and I think deep down you know that!

Iran has always used the threat of their proxies to hold the rest of the world hostage...would you like to explain to me how Barack giving the Mullahs billions of dollars so that they could FUND those proxies was an intelligent strategy? Trump understand that the way to get rid of the proxies is to starve Iran economically. That's a strategy that makes sense.

You want to compare body counts between Iranians and Evangelicals? IMO, all that matters is that they share the same fanaticism of pushing their beliefs onto other, by hook or by crook but usually by force. Consider the abortion laws in the US as an example of stripping away people's God-given freedom of choice through force of law including imprisonment.

Duh. Iran has been a threat since 1979. Why did Trump 2 attack Iran and not Trump 1? What changed?