If we go to a hot war with China and reinstitute the draft, women must be drafted.

[Mushroom]

Its straight up unconstitutional to treat men and women differently.

I cannot legally place an employment ad and say ONLY MEN MAY APPLY.

Same thing with the draft.

MEN AND WOMEN ARE THE SAME. THEY MUST BE TREATED THE SAME.

Well, then you should talk to your Congress critters and Senators. Because this has actually been proposed many times in the last 10 years, and each time it got to Congress it ultimately was rejected.

And ironically, you need mostly to talk to the Republican ones, because they are the ones that keep rejecting that bill and killing it before it even gets to the floor. Or the few times it did make it that far it was killed in order to keep something else they wanted.

 

[Mushroom]

This is news? I had to register for the Selective Service on my 18th birthday back in 1982.

Want to know what real irony was?

I was medically discharged in 1993, and decided to take some college classes. And they actually insisted that I sign up for the draft before I could enroll. I tried to tell the idiot at the desk that I did not have to enroll because I had already fulfilled my service, and was medically ineligible anyways. After several back and forths I went home and returned with my DD-214 and went straight to one of the Deans.

She laughed after reading my problem, and reading my discharge paperwork. She then called in the idiot administrator and told them to never insist that a veteran apply for the draft. We were already in the system so it was not needed, as well as those of us who were medically discharged were obviously exempt.

And as you were in DEP, you actually did not have to register. The same reason I did not have to register in 1982 when I turned 18. Because I was also in DEP and waiting my ship-out date. However, if one is dropped from DEP for any reason, then you do have to register.

 

[Mushroom]

Any war with Chine would be over, win or lose, before the first draftee hits recruit training, which will have to be expanded on a scale never seen since WWII.

I am not sure about that, but most have no idea how the draft would even work.

First of all, it would require the Congress and the President to authorize it. And what most people do not know is that the Selective Service does not have to deliver the first draftees until 6 months after that time. Because of the last 30 years of military cuts and base closures, our military could not handle a draft even if one was ordered tomorrow. There is simply no place to train more than a handful more than are taken in today.

As somebody else said, the days of branches having multiple Recruit Depots are long over. Most only have one, the Marines have two and the Army has four. And most of the bases are simply not there anymore or the former training areas are simply gone.

NTC San Diego closed 25 years ago, and no longer exists. The old basic training areas at Camp Bliss is now housing. Fort Ord was another big one, that's gone also. One can look at the list of such bases in the past, either gone or the land was repurposed decades ago.

And it is the same with the advanced training facilities. Once they were all equipped to train huge numbers. But decades of budget cuts saw that dwindle to the point that most can not really train many more than they are already. Not enough barracks and classrooms, and not enough instructors in addition to not enough base infrastructure to support them.

That is the problem when you close so damned many bases and give them away. We at one time "mothballed" them, so that if there was a need they could be opened again. But in the 1990's and afterwards they went through the DoD with a chainsaw and closed huge numbers of bases. Including every one in the San Francisco Bay area, and the only Navy Base that actually turned a profit.

I know that part of the plans for Mare Island if a draft was again required would be that part of the base could be converted back to a Marine Boot Camp, as it had been before WWI. But that base was closed 27 years ago.

Even if they brought back the draft, I would be surprised if anything over a token number of draftees started their training in less then two years.

 

[Dayton3]

Women want equality. They should have to face the disadvantages of equality as well as the benefits.

Who cares what women want?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I am not sure about that, but most have no idea how the draft would even work.

First of all, it would require the Congress and the President to authorize it. And what most people do not know is that the Selective Service does not have to deliver the first draftees until 6 months after that time. Because of the last 30 years of military cuts and base closures, our military could not handle a draft even if one was ordered tomorrow. There is simply no place to train more than a handful more than are taken in today.

As somebody else said, the days of branches having multiple Recruit Depots are long over. Most only have one, the Marines have two and the Army has four. And most of the bases are simply not there anymore or the former training areas are simply gone.

NTC San Diego closed 25 years ago, and no longer exists. The old basic training areas at Camp Bliss is now housing. Fort Ord was another big one, that's gone also. One can look at the list of such bases in the past, either gone or the land was repurposed decades ago.

And it is the same with the advanced training facilities. Once they were all equipped to train huge numbers. But decades of budget cuts saw that dwindle to the point that most can not really train many more than they are already. Not enough barracks and classrooms, and not enough instructors in addition to not enough base infrastructure to support them.

That is the problem when you close so damned many bases and give them away. We at one time "mothballed" them, so that if there was a need they could be opened again. But in the 1990's and afterwards they went through the DoD with a chainsaw and closed huge numbers of bases. Including every one in the San Francisco Bay area, and the only Navy Base that actually turned a profit.

I know that part of the plans for Mare Island if a draft was again required would be that part of the base could be converted back to a Marine Boot Camp, as it had been before WWI. But that base was closed 27 years ago.

Even if they brought back the draft, I would be surprised if anything over a token number of draftees started their training in less then two years.

Did I not say almost the exact same thing in another post?

 

[Dayton3]

People forget a few obvious points:

1) If the U.S. went to war with China (presumably over Taiwan) it wouldn't be a case of a war being declared and then the U.S. deciding it needed many more troops and deciding to implement a draft. In all likelihood there would be a tremendous ramping up of tensions BEFORE actual shots were fired. Meaning the U.S. would have months and months to choose to restart a draft.

2) Restarting the draft might well be seen as an obvious signal to the Chinese about the level of commitment and seriousness of the United States. So there are obvious advantages for the U.S. aside from the vast increase in manpower.

3) I researched this issue all the way back in the 1980s when I registered for the draft. Even when the U.S. had plans for a draft if necessary to fight the Soviets in Central Europe, the U.S. at most only planned to draft about 500,000 men. Sounds like a lot but it is a rather small portion of the number of 20 year old males. It is impossible to see how a war with China would require more than that.

 

[Mushroom]

1) If the U.S. went to war with China (presumably over Taiwan) it wouldn't be a case of a war being declared and then the U.S. deciding it needed many more troops and deciding to implement a draft. In all likelihood there would be a tremendous ramping up of tensions BEFORE actual shots were fired. Meaning the U.S. would have months and months to choose to restart a draft.

Actually, that is not really true at all. Quite often wars can break out with little to no warning, especially in the modern era.

Myself, in July 1990 I came home from over 6 months overseas. Having no idea that in less than a month we would be getting involved in another war.

And even back in September 1940, nobody who was restarting the Selective Service system was even thinking about Japan. That had been enacted as Germany conquered France, and many were believing that the conflict would eventually spill over and involve the US as well.

And I can give a thousand and one other examples. Like the SIno-Vietnam War. The Korean War. The Iran-Iraq War. And in case you have not noticed, China has been ratcheting up the pressure and antagonism in the West Pacific for years now. Oh, and in least two of those listed above, there have been "shots fired" within the last couple of years.

Heck, less than 12 years ago many of us were watching the news closely and wondering if we were about to get into a war because another nation shelled the hell out of an island of one of our allies. I doubt many realize how close we came to war in November 2010. Once again, I was not long back from a deployment and wondering if it was happening again.

But one does not know the plans and motives of potential enemies. China could decide that they want to start scattering mines in any waters that they claim as their own next week. And after several ships of our allies are damaged and sunk, what would our responses be? Probably like it has been in the Persian Gulf for decades. Actually returning to running convoys with many foreign ships reflagging to the US to justify it. And an increased use of US military forces in the area. As well as tensions.

Once again, that has happened over and over in the Persian Gulf area for over 40 years now. But there we never worried a hell of a lot because neither Iran or Iraq were real threats to the US. China however is a potential threat to the US directly. And nations have been known to do things that on later reflection make no logical sense in the long run. Like US nuclear missiles in Turkey.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Biden drafting trans women says it all.

The cult lost this one.