If voters don’t feel relief, the economy isn’t fixed

[martybegan]

Inflation is almost exactly the same. Unemployment is higher. GDP growth is almost exactly the same. Wage growth rate is a little down. Private employment growth is lower. Consumer spending growth in 2024 was better.

Things really aren’t that different. Polling is consistent.

It's lowering. Again, do you want deflation?

Keep pretending things aren't improving, and keep bleating that through your MSM "betters"

It's all about November 2026

 

[leftwinger]

Trump: This is the best economy we’ve ever had. (10/9/25)

He's a ******* liar and the ignorant rubes don't care.

As always.

Utah McStain and the TDS bro' lined up elbow to arse as far as the eye can see desperate to restart those NGO & Political grift dollars.

Those dollars are only somewhat slowed(reduced) not halted entirely. Yet the lowlife, they panic.

 

[Marener]

It's lowering. Again, do you want deflation?

Keep pretending things aren't improving, and keep bleating that through your MSM "betters"

It's all about November 2026

“It’s lowering” wasn’t enough in 2024 and it was actually true then. PCE index growth was 2.7% at the end of 2024 and it’s 2.7% based on the last data from Sept 2025.

You can keep claiming things are improving but it doesn’t show up in the data and the people aren’t feeling it.

 

[martybegan]

“It’s lowering” wasn’t enough in 2024 and it was actually true then. PCE index growth was 2.7% at the end of 2024 and it’s 2.7% based on the last data from Sept 2025.

You can keep claiming things are improving but it doesn’t show up in the data and the people aren’t feeling it.

LOL like you didn't just grab those references from some AI bullshit.

This whole thread is about perceptions, and the perception is Trump is trying to fix things.

 

[leftwinger]

If the 2020 election hadn't been stolen, this inflation would never have happened. Trump would have had our economy rocking from 20-24, and without the 20 million illegal aliens that Biden invited in.

Create a panic (man-made Flu launch) the media will feed it 24-7 (reclassify deaths. Kill elderly, juice the respirators, whatever it takes). Rig and steal the election in the fog of chaos. "Only we can save you". Same story everytime.

Stain? too evil to see it or admit it.

 

[Marener]

LOL like you didn't just grab those references from some AI bullshit.

This whole thread is about perceptions, and the perception is Trump is trying to fix things.

I go where I always go to get data.

Personal Consumption Expenditures: Chain-type Price Index

Graph and download economic data for Personal Consumption Expenditures: Chain-type Price Index (PCEPI) from Jan 1959 to Dec 2025 about chained, headline figure, PCE, consumption expenditures, consumption, personal, inflation, price index, indexes, price, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

You don’t seem very interested in looking up data for yourself because you’re kind of a hack.

The perception of Trump will be that he’s a failure unless people see something change. That’s his faul

 

[wamose]

Economic numbers are promising
Strong GDP, Record Stock Market

But the rising economy only seems to be helping the wealthy.
Trickle down is not working

The average worker looks at what it costs to take their wife to dinner and a movie and passes on it

The average worker looks at new car prices and decides to keep that 10 year old car running

The average worker looks at the cost to buy a house and realizes it is out of their reach

Economic numbers are promising
Strong GDP, Record Stock Market

But the rising economy only seems to be helping the wealthy.
Trickle down is not working

The average worker looks at what it costs to take their wife to dinner and a movie and passes on it

The average worker looks at new car prices and decides to keep that 10 year old car running

The average worker looks at the cost to buy a house and realizes it is out of their league.

The average worker looks at their paycheck and sees meager pay raises as their costs keep rising

You can’t fool people about the economy

The Biden inflation bomb is now a part of our economy that will never go away. It's like when the cost of gasoline went crazy under Carter. The shortages were temporary, possibly manmade, but the prices never went back down to pre-Carter levels. So, at this point, the best that we can expect is for Trump to manage what he inherited. And that is exactly what he's doing. So, if you want to be pissed off about prices, just look at the 23% Biden added. That's not going away any more than the 8 trillion he added to our national debt is. The smart thing to do would be to stay with Trump, whose inflation is in the 2s. The dumb thing to do would be to go back to the Democrats who got us into this mess. That would compound the problem.

 

[martybegan]

I go where I always go to get data.

Personal Consumption Expenditures: Chain-type Price Index

Graph and download economic data for Personal Consumption Expenditures: Chain-type Price Index (PCEPI) from Jan 1959 to Dec 2025 about chained, headline figure, PCE, consumption expenditures, consumption, personal, inflation, price index, indexes, price, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

You don’t seem very interested in looking up data for yourself because you’re kind of a hack.

The perception of Trump will be that he’s a failure unless people see something change. That’s his faul

You look up the data and then pretend you actually understand it, then ignore any other "data" the goes against your political goals.

You lie to yourself worse than the Soviets use to lie to themselves.

 

[Marener]

You look up the data and then pretend you actually understand it, then ignore any other "data" the goes against your political goals.

You lie to yourself worse than the Soviets use to lie to themselves.

Are you just saying this because you don’t understand any of it?

PCE index is the preferred measure of inflation for the Fed and what they primarily look to when deciding interest rates. What’s different between that and PCI? Mostly wonky statistical differences. By the way, because of budget cuts, our inflation data is getting far less accurate. They’re having to impute a lot of data to get the result. Those federal employees you hate so much actually do work.

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/05/nx-s1-5424367/inflation-data-cpi-government-job-shortages

The point is inflation really hasn’t changed.

I’m open to any data that tells a different story, but you’ve conspicuously avoided presenting any data.

 

[martybegan]

Are you just saying this because you don’t understand any of it?

PCE index is the preferred measure of inflation for the Fed and what they primarily look to when deciding interest rates. What’s different between that and PCI? Mostly wonky statistical differences. By the way, because of budget cuts, our inflation data is getting far less accurate. They’re having to impute a lot of data to get the result. Those federal employees you hate so much actually do work.

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/05/nx-s1-5424367/inflation-data-cpi-government-job-shortages

The point is inflation really hasn’t changed.

I’m open to any data that tells a different story, but you’ve conspicuously avoided presenting any data.

Blah Blah Blah, Hey I found a number that might or might not back up my pre-conceived notions!!!

 

[Marener]

Blah Blah Blah, Hey I found a number that might or might not back up my pre-conceived notions!!!

I didn’t just “find a number”. I looked at the same statistic the Fed looks at.

What number did you look at? Any?

 

[martybegan]

I didn’t just “find a number”. I looked at the same statistic the Fed looks at.

What number did you look at? Any?

One Statistic.

I linked some already.

You also don't believe removing cheap labor and criminals helps the economy.

 

[Marener]

One Statistic.

I linked some already.

You also don't believe removing cheap labor and criminals helps the economy.

Labor is an ingredient to economic output like anything else.

Raise the cost of any input, and you’ll harm economic output.

This isn’t rocket science.

Where’s your statistic on inflation?

 

[martybegan]

Labor is an ingredient to economic output like anything else.

Raise the cost of any input, and you’ll harm economic output.

This isn’t rocket science.

Where’s your statistic on inflation?

Inflation has lowered, again are you demanding delfation?

 

[citygator]

Is that the same bipartisan bill that one of the democrat authors voted against because they saw it was only a political stunt?

Deflection.

 

[Marener]

Inflation has lowered, again are you demanding delfation?

Trump ran and won with promises of deflation.

Where’s your inflation statistic?

 

[martybegan]

Trump ran and won with promises of deflation.

Where’s your inflation statistic?

No, he didn't. He said he would bring costs down, which doesn't only happen due to deflation.

You are focusing on inflation, not me.

 

[Delldude]

Deflection.

Oh no, you got me.

Kyrsten Sinema, who negotiated the bill, voted to block it because the vote was a ‘cynical, political game’

Two of the border deal’s chief Senate negotiators, Oklahoma Republican James Lankford and Arizona independent Kyrsten Sinema, voted against advancing the measure Thursday, protesting what they said was an unserious process focused on political optics. The bill’s third major sponsor, Connecticut Democrat Chris Murphy, voted in favor.

Bipartisan border bill loses support, fails procedural vote in U.S. Senate

The U.S. Senate failed Thursday to advance a border security bill as both parties seek to hone their messages on immigration policy in the runup to November’s elections

azmirror.com

 

[Foxfyre]

If voters don’t feel relief, the economy isn’t fixed | Blaze Media

Voters aren’t watching charts and graphs. They’re watching their bills. If families still feel squeezed, no amount of economic spin will matter in 2026.

www.theblaze.com

If voters don’t feel relief, the economy isn’t fixed​

The concerns of many Americans about their economic well-being may be at the highest level since the Great Depression. Politico recently reported that 46% of Americans say their cost of living is the worst that they can remember, including over one-third of Trump voters. Nothing better exemplifies this than the many “30-somethings” who are unable to purchase a home.

Financial anxieties center around affordability, which is the proxy for evaluating whether the economy is meeting the public’s needs. Affordability is the degree to which households can responsibly pay for essential goods and services.

Gregg Ip, an economic commentator for the Wall Street Journal, says that affordability cannot be measured solely by economic data, but must also account for perceptions of financial security.

President Trump opined that concerns about affordability are a “hoax” created by Democrats for political purposes. Most Americans would disagree. While the runaway inflation of the Biden presidency has moderated, widespread concerns about affordability persist. According to a recent Politico poll, nearly half of the nation found the cost of their groceries, health care, utilities, and housing to be unaffordable. About half of the respondents said food costs are difficult to manage, and more than a quarter skipped medical appointments because of the cost.

In the 2026 midterm elections, it will be incumbent upon Republicans and Democrats to make an affordability agenda “job one.” These agendas should be the yardstick voters use to cast their vote for members of Congress and state officials.

I disagree. All the Left has to do is continue to destroy the US from within with spending like a drunken sailor, while "fixing" everything by trying to give away even more things as "free".

But as we all know, or at least should, nothing is ever free. The price for continuing to offer "free" things is a cost voters never reckon on paying.

And for Trump to say that the hurting economy is a hoax is not helping him. No, it is the exact opposite.

And yes, under Biden unaffordability hit new record heights as the DNC contributed to much of it, but Trump is President now and must fix it overnight or meet a horrible fate in the midterms.

For the Left, they could not be happier as they will see both Trump and a free market collapse altogether.

That was always the goal.

Biden or whoever was acting in Biden's place had four long years to screw up pretty much everything. Yes, President Trump may be blowing sunshine up our skirts a bit when he claims things are much better. Well many things are better but when the cheapest loaf of bread is still $2 and a head of iceberg lettuce is $2.28, people don't feel things are better.

He certainly isn't making them worse.

But honest people understand everything in four years of incompetence cannot always be fixed in one year. We are seeing energy prices, utilities coming down. The border is closed and slowly but surely the illegals are being sent home. I am confident that at the end of Trump's four years all will be much better.

 

[Marener]

No, he didn't. He said he would bring costs down, which doesn't only happen due to deflation.

You are focusing on inflation, not me.

Inflation is when costs go up. Deflation is when costs go down.

You brought up inflation, and it’s highly relevant since that’s the pointy end of the spear when it comes to economic data. People feel inflation. They don’t necessarily feel GDP growth.