If the US healthcare system is the best and socialism is the worst

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Why are no socialist countries switching to our system of private insurance???

between Medicare Medicaid Schip VA and state insurance regulation we have socialist health care. The solution is to introduce Republican capitalism so our health care industry becomes the best in the world.

A liberal will lack the IQ to know what capitalism is so can't comment on this subject. Sorry.

 

[taichiliberal]

If you backtrack the posts, you'll note that Todd edits out the rest of my response.

Again and again, I never stated that Goldman Sachs was solely responsible for Greece's problems. I've stated time and again that Goldman's book cooking got Greece into the EU WHEN IT SHOULDN'T HAVE DUE TO IT'S ALREADY WEAK ECONOMY. Getting into the EU was the icing on the cake, and when the mortgage toxicity hit the EU banks, Greece (the weakest link) went down for the count.

Follow the chronology of the posts and you'll see the intellectual dishonesty of Todd and his buddies.

Getting into the EU was the icing on the cake,

Icing on what cake? Spell it out.

and when the mortgage toxicity hit the EU banks, Greece (the weakest link) went down for the count.

If the EU banks weren't weakened, Greece wouldn't have a crisis?
Another interesting claim with no proof.

I think he's saying that hiding their debt with the help of Goldman was icing on the cake, but I also think he means straw that broke the camels back.

Todd knows this, he's just being a typical defeated neocon/teabagger parrot....no matter what the reality or facts, Todd will grasp any straw and apply his usual intellectual myopia and then just repeat his crap ad nauseum. Insipid stubborness based on willful ignorance is the Toddler's forte, it would seem.

 

[taichiliberal]

Getting into the EU was the icing on the cake,

Icing on what cake? Spell it out.

and when the mortgage toxicity hit the EU banks, Greece (the weakest link) went down for the count.

If the EU banks weren't weakened, Greece wouldn't have a crisis?
Another interesting claim with no proof.

Only Todd would be stupid enough to say, "if there wasn't a problem in the first place, then there wouldn't be a crisis."

No shit sherlock! But alas, it is a matter of fact and history that Greece was in financial troubles prior to it's application to the EU. Goldman Sachs cooked the books, and Greece got it....then the US toxic housing market package got into the international financial market, the EU banks got screwed, and those who were already in trouble got the brunt of it (i.e., GREECE).

As the chronology of the posts shows, I've documented this several times...but Todd REFUSES to acknowledge reality, and with the insipid stubborness of the willfully ignorant, Todd will just dig himself deeper into the hole of stupidity. Carry on.

Excellent! Greece was in trouble before. As we all know and have stated, einstein.
Getting into the EU benefitted Greece. Not really, as they "got in" under FALSE PRETENSES.[/COLOR
]Greece is not bankrupt because of Goldman. Again for the mentally challenged....Goldman Sachs LIED to get Greece into the EU....a country who's financial stituation is unstable to begin with is NOT being done a favor by CHEATING to join a financial union of countries. Goldman Sach was and is A MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR to Greece's current problems.
Greece is not bankrupt because of the EU. Correction....Greece is bankrupt because of 3 things...it's initial problems, Goldman Sachs falsifying it's entry into the EU, and the EU banks getting screwed with the American mortgage bank fiasco.
Greece is not bankrupt because of the financial crisis. See above and the chronology of the posts where I document to the contrary.
Greece is bankrupt because too many Greeks get too many benefits and too few Greeks pay into the system.

Is this your personal assessment or something you got off of right wing media/punditry. Either way you should be able to provide documentation to support your assertions....just like I did. If not, you're just another neocon/teabagger parrot blowing smoke as usual.
Obama is trying to put us on the same path. Hopefully he will fail.

A complete ignorant statement by Todd, as he cannot explain how making insurance companies do right by their clients and then providing a national coffer for those who get ill but do not have insurance via the people who DO NOT want insurance, along with an affordable gov't alternative if people cannot afford the rates of private insurance.Carry on.

When it comes to making a fool of right wing parrots like you, Toddles, I always do!

 

[The Rabbi]

Yes, declare victory even in the face of obvious humiliation. You are a tool and a half.

 

[HUGGY]

Why are no socialist countries switching to our system of private insurance???

between Medicare Medicaid Schip VA and state insurance regulation we have socialist health care. The solution is to introduce Republican capitalism so our health care industry becomes the best in the world.

A liberal will lack the IQ to know what capitalism is so can't comment on this subject. Sorry.

For who exactly? It already is the best in the world for the wealthy. So in your world view those who have not managed to avoid the pitfalls of predatory capitalism but played by all of the rules accepted by CONSUMERSshould just be greatfull having been allowed to play the game and take their chances. Perhaps lost a good paying job due to outsourcing... they should praise the rich for their good fortune and ability to game the system and just die quietly knowing that they have done their part to maintain all advantage to the rich including access to the best health care in the world.

There is a not so small part of me that wishes people like you succeed. We need greater division of wealth and access in our country. We need to drive a greater percentage of the population into desperation.

I see where this will be heading. If forced to...regular people will have to result to a "black market" of health care. Rich kids will be abducted ..not for ransome... but for their body parts ..sold to the highest bidders on an open market like drugs. Speaking of which..there will be mass hyjacking of overly priced life saving drugs in transport. If you need such miracle chemicals people will only have to call their drug dealer.

Yup nothing screams pure capitalism like a black market..free from rules and regulations...the strongest and smartest survive.. Buyer beware..

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgE-Oedaiyk]Eagles - Life In The Fast Lane - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Foxfyre]

Oh for heaven's sake people, just read up on the European economic woes, including Greece, and you will see that Goldman Sachs was not the catalyst or reason for any of it. Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan and their employees, however, were among Barack Obama's biggest donors and have been among his most staunch supporters including some of their people being assigned to Obama's advisory groups. Which would help explain their support for Obamacare among other things. And of course they both got a lot of Obama money.

As for the woes in Greece and elsewhere in Europe, for those who continue to post nonsense about that, here is a quick primer to begin educating yourselves about that:

BBC News - What really caused the eurozone crisis?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Yup nothing screams pure capitalism like a black market..free from rules and regulations...

but neither libertarians nor Republicans want capitalism without rules. That would be anarchy, not capitalism. You seem very confused?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Obama is trying to put us on the same path. Hopefully he will fail.
Carry on.

This is true. BO's budgets going forward show no sense of fiscal responsibility whatsoever. BO is Greek socialist at heart. His real interest is in buying votes with promises of more and more welfare of all kinds. What did we expect? He had two communist parents, voted to the left of Bernie Sanders and lied about it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Greece is bankrupt because too many Greeks get too many benefits and too few Greeks pay into the system.

Is this your personal assessment or something you got off of right wing media/punditry. Either way you should be able to provide documentation to support your assertions....just like I did. If not, you're just another neocon/teabagger parrot blowing smoke as usual.

Greece has a capitalist economy with a public sector accounting for about 40% of GDP .........The economy contracted by 2% in 2009, 4% in 2010, and 5% in 2011. Greece violated the EU's Growth and Stability Pact budget deficit criterion of no more than 3% of GDP from 2001 to 2006, but finally met that criterion in 2007-08, before exceeding it again in 2009, with the deficit reaching 15% of GDP......17% unemployment....taxes 39.9% of GDP.....2011 budget deficit 9.6% of GDP......Public debt 165.4% of GDP (2011 est.)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gr.html

Need any more proof? LOL!

 

[HUGGY]

Yup nothing screams pure capitalism like a black market..free from rules and regulations...

but neither libertarians nor Republicans want capitalism without rules. That would be anarchy, not capitalism. You seem very confused?

Really? I don't think so. Most of "the rules" are intended to keep the rich rich and in control of the access and delivery of what people need. I have been a partaker in black markets most of my life and frankly...prefer the honesty and simplicity of it. I would prefer it that you price yourselves out of reach of average people in medical services and pharmacudicals.

Same goes for gasoline. I suspect the hyjacking of petroleum tanker trucks will increase also. If gasoline hits 7 or eight bucks a gallon a 10,000 gallon truck will be worth over 50 thou. That's as much as I used to get for flying a load of pot in from Colombia.

Go ahead on and call other people "confused" if it makes you think you are superior. It is to my advantage that you underestimate me. That's what the CONz do best. Underestimate. Chumps.

 

[Foxfyre]

Why are no socialist countries switching to our system of private insurance???

between Medicare Medicaid Schip VA and state insurance regulation we have socialist health care. The solution is to introduce Republican capitalism so our health care industry becomes the best in the world.

A liberal will lack the IQ to know what capitalism is so can't comment on this subject. Sorry.

For who exactly? It already is the best in the world for the wealthy. So in your world view those who have not managed to avoid the pitfalls of predatory capitalism but played by all of the rules accepted by CONSUMERSshould just be greatfull having been allowed to play the game and take their chances. Perhaps lost a good paying job due to outsourcing... they should praise the rich for their good fortune and ability to game the system and just die quietly knowing that they have done their part to maintain all advantage to the rich including access to the best health care in the world.

There is a not so small part of me that wishes people like you succeed. We need greater division of wealth and access in our country. We need to drive a greater percentage of the population into desperation.

I see where this will be heading. If forced to...regular people will have to result to a "black market" of health care. Rich kids will be abducted ..not for ransome... but for their body parts ..sold to the highest bidders on an open market like drugs. Speaking of which..there will be mass hyjacking of overly priced life saving drugs in transport. If you need such miracle chemicals people will only have to call their drug dealer.

Yup nothing screams pure capitalism like a black market..free from rules and regulations...the strongest and smartest survive.. Buyer beware..

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgE-Oedaiyk]Eagles - Life In The Fast Lane - YouTube[/ame]

And yet the only places in the world in which the hypothetical horror stories you put out there have actually happened has been in countries with authoritarian, dictatorships, or totalitarian governments that controlled everything including healthcare.

 

[taichiliberal]

Yes, declare victory even in the face of obvious humiliation. You are a tool and a half.

As the chronology of the posts shows how I left the "rabbi" unable to counter my last response to him, it seems all he's got now is sour grapes.

Pity the synagog that has this stupid git as their "rabbi"!

 

[taichiliberal]

Greece is bankrupt because too many Greeks get too many benefits and too few Greeks pay into the system.

Is this your personal assessment or something you got off of right wing media/punditry. Either way you should be able to provide documentation to support your assertions....just like I did. If not, you're just another neocon/teabagger parrot blowing smoke as usual.

Greece has a capitalist economy with a public sector accounting for about 40% of GDP .........The economy contracted by 2% in 2009, 4% in 2010, and 5% in 2011. Greece violated the EU's Growth and Stability Pact budget deficit criterion of no more than 3% of GDP from 2001 to 2006, but finally met that criterion in 2007-08, before exceeding it again in 2009, with the deficit reaching 15% of GDP......17% unemployment....taxes 39.9% of GDP.....2011 budget deficit 9.6% of GDP......Public debt 165.4% of GDP (2011 est.)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gr.html

Need any more proof? LOL!

Greece joined the EU in 1981, and adopted the Euro as currency in 2001

Greece - European Commission

Connect this information with my previous links, and it (once again) proves my original statements and (once again) proves that YOU, Todd, don't know WTF you're talking about beyond what Limbaugh tells you and what your half-assed, myopic "research" finds that you like.

I need no more proof that you are an idiot, Todd. Laugh, clown, laugh.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

but neither libertarians nor Republicans want capitalism without rules. That would be anarchy, not capitalism. You seem very confused?[/QUOTE]

Really? I don't think so.

so then why be so afraid to give your most substantive example?? What does your fear tell you? Anarchy??

I have been a partaker in black markets most of my life and frankly...prefer the honesty and simplicity of it. I would prefer it that you price yourselves out of reach of average people in medical services and pharmacudicals.

Same goes for gasoline. I suspect the hyjacking of petroleum tanker trucks will increase also. If gasoline hits 7 or eight bucks a gallon a 10,000 gallon truck will be worth over 50 thou. That's as much as I used to get for flying a load of pot in from Colombia.

Go ahead on and call other people "confused" if it makes you think you are superior. It is to my advantage that you underestimate me. That's what the CONz do best. Underestimate. Chumps.

no idea what subject you are on, do you have any idea? It seems you've learned the difference between capitalism and anarchy anyway. Nice try at changing the subject.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Greece is bankrupt because too many Greeks get too many benefits and too few Greeks pay into the system.

Is this your personal assessment or something you got off of right wing media/punditry. Either way you should be able to provide documentation to support your assertions....just like I did. If not, you're just another neocon/teabagger parrot blowing smoke as usual.

Greece has a capitalist economy with a public sector accounting for about 40% of GDP .........The economy contracted by 2% in 2009, 4% in 2010, and 5% in 2011. Greece violated the EU's Growth and Stability Pact budget deficit criterion of no more than 3% of GDP from 2001 to 2006, but finally met that criterion in 2007-08, before exceeding it again in 2009, with the deficit reaching 15% of GDP......17% unemployment....taxes 39.9% of GDP.....2011 budget deficit 9.6% of GDP......Public debt 165.4% of GDP (2011 est.)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gr.html

Need any more proof? LOL!

Greece joined the EU in 1981, and adopted the Euro as currency in 2001

Greece - European Commission

Connect this information with my previous links, and it (once again) proves my original statements and (once again) proves that YOU, Todd, don't know WTF you're talking about beyond what Limbaugh tells you and what your half-assed, myopic "research" finds that you like.

I need no more proof that you are an idiot, Todd. Laugh, clown, laugh.

Wow, "Greece joined the EU in 1981, and adopted the Euro as currency in 2001", I guess that means they don't hand out too many benefits.

Thanks!

 

[taichiliberal]

Greece is bankrupt because too many Greeks get too many benefits and too few Greeks pay into the system.

Is this your personal assessment or something you got off of right wing media/punditry. Either way you should be able to provide documentation to support your assertions....just like I did. If not, you're just another neocon/teabagger parrot blowing smoke as usual.

Greece has a capitalist economy with a public sector accounting for about 40% of GDP .........The economy contracted by 2% in 2009, 4% in 2010, and 5% in 2011. Greece violated the EU's Growth and Stability Pact budget deficit criterion of no more than 3% of GDP from 2001 to 2006, but finally met that criterion in 2007-08, before exceeding it again in 2009, with the deficit reaching 15% of GDP......17% unemployment....taxes 39.9% of GDP.....2011 budget deficit 9.6% of GDP......Public debt 165.4% of GDP (2011 est.)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gr.html

Need any more proof? LOL!

Greece joined the EU in 1981, and adopted the Euro as currency in 2001

Greece - European Commission

Connect this information with my previous links, and it (once again) proves my original statements and (once again) proves that YOU, Todd, don't know WTF you're talking about beyond what Limbaugh tells you and what your half-assed, myopic "research" finds that you like.

I need no more proof that you are an idiot, Todd. Laugh, clown, laugh.

Wow, "Greece joined the EU in 1981, and adopted the Euro as currency in 2001", I guess that means they don't hand out too many benefits.

Thanks!

And there you have it folks, Todd has neither the intellectual honesty or courage to just acknowledge (let alone admit) that he is wrong on a point. That and/or Todd is just too ******* dumb to comprehend what he reads. As the chronology of the posts shows, Todd has been reduced to a babbling neocon parrot (again). I leave him to his predictable retorts.

 

[Douger]

Yeah. It's number one all right.#1 North of Mexico and #1 South of Canada. Nada mas.
http://www.hispanicallyspeakingnews...-HSNews_Notitas_Campaign_Daily#When:22:19:34Z

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Greece joined the EU in 1981, and adopted the Euro as currency in 2001

Greece - European Commission

Connect this information with my previous links, and it (once again) proves my original statements and (once again) proves that YOU, Todd, don't know WTF you're talking about beyond what Limbaugh tells you and what your half-assed, myopic "research" finds that you like.

I need no more proof that you are an idiot, Todd. Laugh, clown, laugh.

Wow, "Greece joined the EU in 1981, and adopted the Euro as currency in 2001", I guess that means they don't hand out too many benefits.

Thanks!

And there you have it folks, Todd has neither the intellectual honesty or courage to just acknowledge (let alone admit) that he is wrong on a point. That and/or Todd is just too ******* dumb to comprehend what he reads. As the chronology of the posts shows, Todd has been reduced to a babbling neocon parrot (again). I leave him to his predictable retorts.

Let me know if you ever prove one of your claims. Thanks!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

And there you have it folks, Todd has neither the intellectual honesty or courage to just acknowledge (let alone admit) that he is wrong on a point.

sadly, it is true that Southern Europe has been way too liberal and now Germany if forcing them to become more conservative, i.e., cut back the huge out of control liberal government. Does anyone deny this is what is happening?

Is Germany forcing them to spend more? Would you force a dead drunk sailor to drink more or cut back?

 

[Meister]

Wow, "Greece joined the EU in 1981, and adopted the Euro as currency in 2001", I guess that means they don't hand out too many benefits.

Thanks!

And there you have it folks, Todd has neither the intellectual honesty or courage to just acknowledge (let alone admit) that he is wrong on a point. That and/or Todd is just too ******* dumb to comprehend what he reads. As the chronology of the posts shows, Todd has been reduced to a babbling neocon parrot (again). I leave him to his predictable retorts.

Let me know if you ever prove one of your claims. Thanks!

Forces told me to rep this comment, Todd. Enjoy.