Zone1 “If the universe had a beginning, then we cannot avoid the question of creation.”

[DonGlock26]

But you're the one rolling up into a ball and sucking your thumb and refusing to continue, simply because a stranger on the internet wont spoonfeed you the answer to a simple question that a freshman biology student would easily provide.

Not a good look, for a grown man.

This grown man is standing tall on the field that you fled from. You are the person refusing to continue. Have you found your courage? Shall we continue?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So no, there was no "first squirrel" or "first human". Both of these concepts are strictly nonsensical.

Somewhat analogously, if you traveled backwards in time, you would never reach, "the beginning". We are limited by our perspective and place in our spacetime.

Also somewhat analogously, if you watched someone fall into a black hole, you would never observe the moment they crossed the event horizon. Not ever. From your perspective, such a trip takes an infinite amount of time.

From the perspective of the person falling into the black hole, this event (crossing the event horizon) is INSTANTANEOUS.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

This grown man is standing tall on the field that you fled from.

Hahahaha

"Standing tall" apparently means refusing to use any brain power and being completely satisfied with being abjectly ignorant of things freshmen biology students learn.

Good for you.

 

[DonGlock26]

So no, there was no "first squirrel" or "first human". Both of these concepts are strictly nonsensical.

Somewhat analogously, if you traveled backwards in time, you would never reach, "the beginning". We are limited by our perspective and place in our spacetime.

Also somewhat analogously, if you watched someone fall into a black hole, you would never observe the moment they crossed the event horizon. Not ever. From your perspective, such a trip takes an infinite amount of time.

From the perspective of the person falling into the black hole, this event (crossing the event horizon) is INSTANTANEOUS.

Prove it.

If we traveled back in time, we would reach the beginning of space-time i.e. the moment the universe began expanding.

When did your black hole begin?

 

[otto105]

Well, you accept the BBT. That's good.

Where do you think the singularity came from?

Many stratagems are used to rule people. The promise to "strip wealth from some to give it to others" for example.

Unlike the secular humanist Marxists, I do not believe that Man is inherently good (except for conservatives of course).

Dude, you need to stop smoking that orange weed from the cult.

Do tariffs strip wealth from some and give it to others?

 

[Chuz Life]

First of all, the CMB precludes a cyclical universe because it proves the universe began through paired particle production. There's no other explanation for the CMB.

The Early Universe

Secondly, most people don't understand that the "singularity" is a mathematical artifact of the solutions to Einstein's field equations. It's where the equations yield infinite densities. It's not a physical phenomenon.

And lastly, you aren't the first atheist to be freaked out by the universe beginning. In fact, I've yet to encounter one that wasn't.

I'm neither an Atheist nor "freaked out" in the least by the ideas, facts, nor theories about how the universe came into existence.

As a realist, it simply is what it is.

 

[Chuz Life]

No idea what you say here. The universe is a unique event. What means "likely" in case of a unique event? Like what else?



Why?

No comment.

 

[BackAgain]

I once had a “professor” in a college math course. I was at most a poor student in math. Even so, I found him to be an even weaker teacher.

He offered any student in this undergraduate class a grade bump if the student would edit his draft math text. The trouble was, he had errors on both sides of an equation. There was absolutely no way to edit his text since nobody could ever correct an equation with mistakes on both sides of it.

Math is not fictional on account of that. But, when a theory involves what looks like fudging the numbers by creating new “virtual” particles, it is not very persuasive.

Not knocking Fort. But his suggested defense of the “virtual” particles is that although they can’t be observed, we can see their effects. Here, the problem is that we may be seeing an “effect” completely unrelated to the existence of such virtual particles.

All that said, I was a poor math student. I haven’t gotten much better over the ensuing 50 years or so.

But I still find all of this fascinating. Heck, I’ve heard of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal before many times. But until today I didn’t even know that there was an equation for it.

\Delta E \, \Delta t \lesssim \hbar

I don’t know wtf that even means.

 

[DonGlock26]

Dude, you need to stop smoking that orange weed from the cult.

Do tariffs strip wealth from some and give it to others?

I prefer taxing corporations with tariffs to taxing working class Americans with income taxes.

 

[otto105]

I prefer taxing corporations with tariffs to taxing working class Americans with income taxes.

Hilarious

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Prove it.

That if you go backwards in time, you wont ever reach a boundary?


That's a mathematical proof that assumes observably infinite density at the beginning.

It's akin to traveling to infinity. You never get there. The same applies in reverse: traveling into our future.

Remember, this is as measured from our perspective. An observer in higher spacetime dimensions would be able to see the beginning and end of our local universe, meaning the big bang and the big rip.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

But his suggested defense of the “virtual” particles is that although they can’t be observed, we can see their effects.

That's not a "defense". Its just a fact. They are a fact of quantum mechanics, and the observations do not make sense without them.

They are predicted by quantum field theory, and those predictions have proven correct and useful.

I promise you, these aren't "my ideas". I wish they were. I would have a Nobel Prize on my mantle.

 

[DonGlock26]

That if you go backwards in time, you wont ever reach a boundary?


That's a mathematical proof that assumes observably infinite density at the beginning.

It's akin to traveling to infinity. You never get there. The same applies in reverse: traveling into our future.

Remember, this is as measured from our perspective. An observer in higher spacetime dimensions would be able to see the beginning and end of our universe.

What boundary?

What math proof?

Space-time is expanding. The period when the expansion began is the beginning.

 

[Chuz Life]

BREAKING NEWS UPDATE!

We still don't know who (or most likely what) made the "primordial soup."

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

What boundary?

A stop point, like a beginning.

Dude, I grow tired of your laziness and sealioning. Put in a LITTLE effort, please. A child could have figured that out on their own.

What math proof?

Sorry, I'm not here to teach remedial math. I can point you in the right direction. Look at the mathematical theory surrounding observing someone falling into a black hole. The math is analogous.

Or, stomp your feet and cry that you don't believe me and never make an effort to learn anything. I promise I will lose zero sleep.

 

[DonGlock26]

A stop point, like a beginning.

Dude, I grow tired of your laziness and sealioning. Put in a LITTLE effort, please. A chold could have figured that out on their own.





Sorry, I'm not here to teach remedial math. I can point you in the right direction. Look at the mathematical theory surrounding observing someone falling into a black hole. The math is analogous.

You left a question mark at the end. What is your question about the beginning of the expansion of space-time?

Your black hole math proof has nothing to do with the beginning of expansion.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

BREAKING NEWS UPDATE!

We still don't know who (or most likely what) made the "primordial soup."

Uh, yes we do.

The elements heavier than helium were produced in the cores of stars and by overpressure from novae.

A cloud of dust with an abundance of these heavier elements was formed by prior star deaths. This cloud began to collapse and rotate, leading to our solar system's protoplanetary disk.

As our planet coalesced, the heaviest elements fell toward the core, and the lighter elements and molecules did not. These materials were also then supplemented on and near the surface by matter infalling from the solar system., nearly all of which was also part of the protoplanetary disk.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You left a question mark at the end. What is your question about the beginning of the expansion of space-time?

Your black hole math proof has nothing to do with the beginning of expansion.

Not saying otherwise, really.

 

[Chuz Life]

Uh, yes we do.

The elements heavier than helium were produced in the cores of stars and by overpressure from novae.

A cloud of dust with an abundance of these heavier elements was formed by prior star deaths. This cloud began to collapse and rotate, leading to our solar system's protoplanetary disk.

As our planet coalesced, the heaviest elements fell toward the core, and the lighter elements and molecules did not. These materials were also then supplemented on and near the surface by matter infalling from the solar system., nearly all of which was also part of the protoplanetary disk.

Daffuq button needed here.

What does any of that have to do with the "primordial soup" that preceded the "Big Bang?"

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Uh, yes we do.

The elements heavier than helium were produced in the cores of stars and by overpressure from novae.

A cloud of dust with an abundance of these heavier elements was formed by prior star deaths. This cloud began to collapse and rotate, leading to our solar system's protoplanetary disk.

As our planet coalesced, the heaviest elements fell toward the core, and the lighter elements and molecules did not. These materials were also then supplemented on and near the surface by matter infalling from the solar system., nearly all of which was also part of the protoplanetary disk.

Thanks to the size and rotation speed of our planet, we have a strong magnetic field that kept the Sun from ionizing and even stripping away these important elements and molecules at or near the surface.