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If Governor Romney represents the epitome of a "severe" conservative governor...then what/who constitutes a moderate Governor?
Discuss.
Ever been to europe? In europe he would be a severe conservative
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If Governor Romney represents the epitome of a "severe" conservative governor...then what/who constitutes a moderate Governor?
Discuss.
If Governor Romney represents the epitome of a "severe" conservative governor...then what/who constitutes a moderate Governor?
Discuss.
If Governor Romney represents the epitome of a "severe" conservative governor...then what/who constitutes a moderate Governor?
Discuss.
Dean says there are no "Moderate" Conservatives.....nuff said?....
who says he's a "severe conservative"? and what's a "severe conservative"?
Romney did...at CPAC..."I am a severely conservative..."
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ohhhhhhhhhhh... romney's a putz
Romney grasps one basic concept.... that to be President, one should be President for ALL Americans which means one must be moderate in one's actions, even when one is personally conservative. Americans seem to have forgotten that concept... mainly because we've elected a couple of total fucking morons in past decade.
What does "moderate in ones actions" mean exactly?
We can elect a monkey to go with the flow.
Just dress him in a suit, find out what the general consensus is and have him point to it and nod.
We can call it the Romney method.
It doesn't matter what they label themselves as.
As soon as they implement their flawed agenda and they fail, they're not a "real" conservative.
Take deficits for instance. Hear anything about deficits when Bush was running them up? Nope. Not a problem for 8 years. 1 YEAR later when Obama's in office...BIGGEST PROBLEM EVER!
Take Bush for example. I was told that he wasn't a "real" conservative numerous times after his Presidency proved a disaster, but NEVER before. Certainly not when he cut taxes on the rich or when he implemented the failed CON agenda.
If Romney gets the nomination and he loses, the lesson CONZ will take away from it is that he wasn't a "real" conservative, not that their agenda was overwhelmingly rejected by the vast majority of Americans.
Which is fine with me. The longer CONZ stay delusional as to the source of their failures, the weaker they become.
If Governor Romney represents the epitome of a "severe" conservative governor...then what/who constitutes a moderate Governor?
Discuss.
who says he's a "severe conservative"? and what's a "severe conservative"?
Romney grasps one basic concept.... that to be President, one should be President for ALL Americans which means one must be moderate in one's actions, even when one is personally conservative. Americans seem to have forgotten that concept... mainly because we've elected a couple of total fucking morons in past decade.
What does "moderate in ones actions" mean exactly?
We can elect a monkey to go with the flow.
Just dress him in a suit, find out what the general consensus is and have him point to it and nod.
We can call it the Romney method.
Then you have learned nothing from Obama.... and Bush... how disappointing. Most Americans are center... they are not left, they are not right.... they are moderate.
We should elect someone who can work both sides of the aisle to achieve a decent outcome for the most people. Not those who pander to the rich, nor those who pander to poverty. Both are fundamentally flawed. We have no need to help the rich, and we cannot help the poor by pretending we can fix their plight by throwing money at them. We don't have enough money..... it will never be enough. But, if - like Romney suggests - we fix the middle.... the rich will be fine (as they always are).... and the poor will be helped to work themselves out of poverty.
How does the Romneycare mandate differ from the Obamacare mandate?
How does the Romneycare mandate differ from the Obamacare mandate?
Is a state the federal government? No. It is a state, and states have the right to provide that, if that is what their electorate wants.... the federal government is not a state. It is federal. Not hard.
What does "moderate in ones actions" mean exactly?
We can elect a monkey to go with the flow.
Just dress him in a suit, find out what the general consensus is and have him point to it and nod.
We can call it the Romney method.
Then you have learned nothing from Obama.... and Bush... how disappointing. Most Americans are center... they are not left, they are not right.... they are moderate.
We should elect someone who can work both sides of the aisle to achieve a decent outcome for the most people. Not those who pander to the rich, nor those who pander to poverty. Both are fundamentally flawed. We have no need to help the rich, and we cannot help the poor by pretending we can fix their plight by throwing money at them. We don't have enough money..... it will never be enough. But, if - like Romney suggests - we fix the middle.... the rich will be fine (as they always are).... and the poor will be helped to work themselves out of poverty.
Then Romney should run with that.
I assume, since your line of reasoning is Moderate is great, that you understand that Romney is a moderate.
Yet, he claims to be "severely conservative".
If he'll lie thru his teeth about being a "severe" conservative, just to get votes...what else will he lie about just to get votes?
His abortion stance?
His gun control position?
Repealing Obamacare?
Cutting spending?
Not raising taxes?
Balancing the budget?
The list is endless...
Romney cannot be trusted.
If that means the Founders? Then I'm severe...I'm good with it.What the heck is a "severe" conservative?
What the heck is a "severe" conservative?
How does the Romneycare mandate differ from the Obamacare mandate?
Is a state the federal government? No. It is a state, and states have the right to provide that, if that is what their electorate wants.... the federal government is not a state. It is federal. Not hard.
All true. The fear is that Romney won't stop ObamaCare as it is known that Obama used Romney's plan as a template.
I think that is the crux, er..uhmm...rather wall Romney has to climb in the eyes of some.
I think the OP's point is that Romney was a governor of a Blue State...had to 'get along' with the other side...relied on Teddy Kennedy to help craft RomneyCare (As Bush relied on him towrite "No child Left Behind)...isn't Conservative...and has just as of recent has warmed over into being Conservative...being the 'Moderate' he was in Massechussetts...I don't think the OP trusts Romney at all.What the heck is a "severe" conservative?
Is a state the federal government? No. It is a state, and states have the right to provide that, if that is what their electorate wants.... the federal government is not a state. It is federal. Not hard.
All true. The fear is that Romney won't stop ObamaCare as it is known that Obama used Romney's plan as a template.
I think that is the crux, er..uhmm...rather wall Romney has to climb in the eyes of some.
I don't do 'fear'. I do facts. Romney is not a stupid man. He knows the public hates ObamaCare and he understands why. He also knows that what works in a state does not necessarily work at a federal level. And he knows it's unconstitutional.
Of course Obama used the Mass HC as a template.... it was a good template. The fact remains that it was not appropriate for a federal government... and that is not Romney's fault. It is Obama's fault. To pretend otherwise is disingenuous.
Romney is - economically - the smartest politician in the country, in my view... and (insert optional deity here) knows, we need an economically smart President.