If Only Democrats Would Stop Lying.......or Being Clueless

[Norman]

President Trump has been amazing for the economy. The tax cuts combined with cutting the endless regulations has worked exactly like everyone expected it to. But even that wasn't enough, good trade deals are also in.

However, democrats do not care about economics because they don't even participate in the economy. They only show up to take the credit in the form of free shit and shitting on everyone who made it happen.

 

[Norman]

Another Trump lie:

"The U.S. has the loosest immigration laws in the world — thanks to Democrats."

It's true. US has been the subject of largest mass movement of people ever witnessed.

 

[g5000]

Another Trump lie:

"The U.S. has the loosest immigration laws in the world — thanks to Democrats."

It's true. US has been the subject of largest mass movement of people ever witnessed.

Our immigration laws are among the strictest in the world.

Lies roll of Trump's tongue, and you fools lap it up.

 

[g5000]

In fact, the United States has among the world’s most restrictive laws, placing it 25th among developing nations in welcoming immigrants, according to data from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. The president frequently blames Democrats for the current legal system but that’s wrong, too — much of current immigration policy was decided either under a Republican president or through court cases.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/fact-checker-most-repeated-disinformation/

 

[danielpalos]

Right wingers are clueless, and Causeless.

That's what YOU are > clueless, information -deprived victims of liberal OMISSION media, as I have many times proven in my QUIZ threads, and causeless, other than the cause of them grabbing POWER, by any means necessary.

lol. In right wing fantasy you are always Right simply for being on the right wing.

Right wing news media is worse.

 

[danielpalos]

President Trump has been amazing for the economy. The tax cuts combined with cutting the endless regulations has worked exactly like everyone expected it to. But even that wasn't enough, good trade deals are also in.

However, democrats do not care about economics because they don't even participate in the economy. They only show up to take the credit in the form of free shit and shitting on everyone who made it happen.

This is the Best the Right Wing could do with their Tax Cut economics:

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

And, inequality is on the rise.

 

[protectionist]

So what did Mayor Pete lie about in that interview, can you post one of the specific lies?

Ignoring Trumps great accomplishments is not lying by the way.

1. Buttigieg said "our country is doing the worst of any developed nation, when it come to dealing with the coronavirus"

LIE! The US has a very low death rate (only 3.14%) relative to many developed and undeveloped countries. This is lower than Italy, UK, France , Belgium, Hungary, Mexico, Netherlands, Spain, Canada, Sweden, Ireland, Iran, Egypt, China, Switzerland, Finland, Romania, Germany, Denmark, Bulgaria, Portugal, Lithuania, Poland, Brazil.

COVID-19 death rate by country 2022 | Statista

COVID-19 deaths per capita were 2 to 3 times higher in Italy, the UK and Belgium than in the United States.

www.statista.com

2. He said>> "Some of our economic numbers are the worst they've been since 1876" A very clever ploy used by politicians. "Some of our economic numbers" could mean hundreds of insignificant things. Could be sales of hula hoops. Note that Pete doesn't say WHAT "economic numbers"

3. He said >> "We have a president who is dIsmantling American healthcare."

LIE! President Trump’s Administration is working to provide Americans with affordable alternatives to Obamacare.

• The Administration expanded short-term, limited duration health insurance plans that are expected to be nearly 50 percent cheaper than unsubsidized Obamacare plans.
• President Trump has expanded association health plans, allowing more employers to join together across State lines and affordably offer coverage to their employees.
• The Administration proposed a reform to Health Reimbursement Account (HRA) regulations that will give consumers more freedom to purchase benefits that fit their needs.
• Roughly 800,000 employers are expected to provide HRAs for more than 10 million employees once the rule finalized.
• Americans have more healthcare freedom thanks to the President signing legislation that ended Obamacare’s individual mandate penalty.
• While healthcare premiums had been steadily increasing as a result of Obamacare, the average benchmark exchange premium will decline for the first time in 2019 thanks to President Trump’s policies.
• Next year, Americans will benefit from more insurer participation on the exchanges.
• Medicare Advantage plans offer more benefit options than ever before, and average premiums in 2019 will be 6 percent lower than in 2018.
• President Trump launched an unprecedented campaign to drive down drug prices, leading more than a dozen drug manufactures to enact price freezes, reductions, or rollbacks.
• In 2018, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved a record number of generic drugs, breaking the previous record set by the Administration in 2017.
• The FDA’s Fiscal Year (FY) 2017 generic drug approvals are expected to bring nearly $9 billion in savings in 2017 alone.
• President Trump signed legislation eliminating contractual gag clauses that stopped pharmacists from informing patients about lower drug prices.
• The President put forth an initiative to stop global freeloading that drives up prices for American patients.
• The Administration provided Medicare Advantage and Medicare Part D plans with new negotiating tools to drive down drug costs for American patients.
• The Administration implemented reforms to the amount Medicare pays hospitals for drugs that are purchased under the 340B program, saving seniors $320 million in 2018.
• President Trump signed “Right to Try” legislation to expand access to experimental treatments for terminally ill patients.

AND>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Trump signs executive orders aimed at lowering drug prices
President Trump on Friday signed four executive orders aimed at lowering drug prices, seeking to take action on a key issue for voters in an election year.

thehill.com

FIGHTING BACK AGAINST THE CRISIS NEXT DOOR: President Trump mobilized his entire Administration to combat the opioid crisis that has devastated communities across the country.

• President Trump launched an Initiative to Stop Opioid Abuse and Reduce Drug Supply and Demand, introducing new measures to confront the driving forces behind this crisis.
• The President signed the landmark SUPPORT for Patients and Communities Act, the largest and most comprehensive legislative package addressing a single drug crisis in history.
• The President helped secure a record $6 billion in funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
• The Administration provided more than $2 billion in grants in 2018 to help States, territories, tribes, and local communities prevent and treat opioid abuse.
• The Administration pursued scientific solutions to prevent and treat addiction through the Helping to End Addiction Long-term (HEAL) Initiative.
• The President launched a national public awareness campaign about the dangers of opioid addiction and youth opioid usage.
• Last year, President Trump created a Commission on Combating Drug Addiction and the Opioid Crisis, which recommends ways to tackle the opioid crisis.
• The Administration declared the opioid crisis a nationwide Public Health Emergency in 2017.
• President Trump is working to cut off the flow of deadly opioids into our country and to disrupt the networks that distribute them to our communities.
• The Administration secured first-ever indictments against Chinese nationals for fentanyl trafficking.
• The Department of Justice (DOJ) launched a surge to target fentanyl and heroin dealers in the districts with the most severe overdose death rates.
• The DOJ formed a Joint Criminal Opioid Darknet Enforcement team and shut down the biggest Darknet distributor of drugs.
• Last year, the DOJ announced the largest healthcare fraud takedown in history, arresting more than 120 defendants with opioid-related crimes.
• The President launched a Safer Prescribing Plan that seeks to cut nationwide opioid prescription fills by one-third within three years.
• The Administration has led four National Prescription Drug Take-Back Days, collecting a record-breaking 1,837 tons of expired and unneeded prescription drugs.

 

[protectionist]

This is the Best the Right Wing could do with their Tax Cut economics:

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

And, inequality is on the rise.

IF inequality is on the rise, it is HOW it is on the rise that is relevant. If I have an income of $20,000/year, it matters more to me if my income doubles, than if some millionaire's income triples.

During the Trump administration, many low income groups have prospered a lot, with the lowest unemployment rates in US history for blacks, Hispanics, Asians, veterans, disabled people, and people without high school diploma. Simultaneously, we have had the highest median income in US history.

 

[protectionist]

lol. In right wing fantasy you are always Right simply for being on the right wing.

Right wing news media is worse.

Not always, maybe just 99%.

 

[jasonnfree]

President Trump has been amazing for the economy. The tax cuts combined with cutting the endless regulations has worked exactly like everyone expected it to. But even that wasn't enough, good trade deals are also in.

However, democrats do not care about economics because they don't even participate in the economy. They only show up to take the credit in the form of free shit and shitting on everyone who made it happen.

What are some of the regulations that trump cut that have been beneficial?

 

[protectionist]

Trump increased borrowing by 2%... So by just borrowing the economy has to increase by 2%....

I will also point out that endless increasing the GDP leads to over stimulating the economy... This is Macroeconomics 101...

Obama was slowing down the economy to decrease borrowing so when a recession hits he or successor can use that leverage to borrow and pump the economy quicker out of recession...

Trump had an inflated economy built on increased borrowing much like GW Bush.

Simple question was if the economy was so good why did Trump need to borrow 1 trillion a year?

And before you say Obama, he inherited an economy which was in a recession and very close to a depression from the financial crisis.

None of this changes the deceitful way Chuck Todd tried to refute conservative claims of the GDP growth V transition from Obama to Trump. He claimed the transition was equal economically. Simply not true.

 

[protectionist]

Wow. Trump never lies, eh? Holy shit, you are about as brain dead as it gets!

Every time some profoundly stupid person says Trump never lies and then asks for ONE LIE, I always give them two.

Trump says he didn't know about $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels

“You’ll have to ask Michael Cohen,“ Trump said when pressed about his lawyer‘s payment.

www.politico.com

“I’m going to be working for you. I’m not going to have time to go play golf. Bleev me...Bleev me...Bleev me, folks." - Donald Trump, August 8, 2016

I'm talking about lies that pertain to the US presidency, and governing the country, not personal affairs. Everybody tells a lie about personal things occasionally, Did you ever receive a tie or shirt that you hated ? Did you tell the person who gave it to you that you hated it ? No, you told them it was very nice. Strike 1.

Your second so called "lie" has no source/link, and even of it were true, it looks more like a miscalculation, about things projected to happen in the future. Future projections, if they don't pan out right, are not lies. Strike 2.

 

[protectionist]

I bet protectionist will still claim Trump never lies. That's a job requirement to be a Trump piss drinker.

I didn't claim Trump never lies. Everybody tells little white lies (fibs) once in a while. I just haven't seen anybody who claims that Trump lies, actually produce one to show here.

 

[protectionist]

Another Trump lie:

Not a lie. The cut in the corporate tax was the biggest in US history. Also, his tax cuts include the biggest increase in the child tax credit in history. Strike 3.

 

[jasonnfree]

I bet protectionist will still claim Trump never lies. That's a job requirement to be a Trump piss drinker.

I didn't claim Trump never lies. Everybody tells little white lies (fibs) once in a while. I just haven't seen anybody who claims that Trump lies, actually produce one to show here.

Trump goes way beyond little white lies.

Fact-checker counts 16K false, misleading claims by Trump in three years

President Trump has made 16,241 false or misleading claims during his three years in office, according to The Washington Post’s Fact Checker. In 2019, Trump reportedly more than doubled t…

thehill.com

 

[Slade3200]

So what did Mayor Pete lie about in that interview, can you post one of the specific lies?

Ignoring Trumps great accomplishments is not lying by the way.

1. Buttigieg said "our country is doing the worst of any developed nation, when it come to dealing with the coronavirus"

LIE! The US has a very low death rate (only 3.14%) relative to many developed and undeveloped countries. This is lower than Italy, UK, France , Belgium, Hungary, Mexico, Netherlands, Spain, Canada, Sweden, Ireland, Iran, Egypt, China, Switzerland, Finland, Romania, Germany, Denmark, Bulgaria, Portugal, Lithuania, Poland, Brazil.

COVID-19 death rate by country 2022 | Statista

COVID-19 deaths per capita were 2 to 3 times higher in Italy, the UK and Belgium than in the United States.

www.statista.com

2. He said>> "Some of our economic numbers are the worst they've been since 1876" A very clever ploy used by politicians. "Some of our economic numbers" could mean hundreds of insignificant things. Could be sales of hula hoops. Note that Pete doesn't say WHAT "economic numbers"

3. He said >> "We have a president who is dIsmantling American healthcare."

LIE! President Trump’s Administration is working to provide Americans with affordable alternatives to Obamacare.

• The Administration expanded short-term, limited duration health insurance plans that are expected to be nearly 50 percent cheaper than unsubsidized Obamacare plans.
• President Trump has expanded association health plans, allowing more employers to join together across State lines and affordably offer coverage to their employees.
• The Administration proposed a reform to Health Reimbursement Account (HRA) regulations that will give consumers more freedom to purchase benefits that fit their needs.
• Roughly 800,000 employers are expected to provide HRAs for more than 10 million employees once the rule finalized.
• Americans have more healthcare freedom thanks to the President signing legislation that ended Obamacare’s individual mandate penalty.
• While healthcare premiums had been steadily increasing as a result of Obamacare, the average benchmark exchange premium will decline for the first time in 2019 thanks to President Trump’s policies.
• Next year, Americans will benefit from more insurer participation on the exchanges.
• Medicare Advantage plans offer more benefit options than ever before, and average premiums in 2019 will be 6 percent lower than in 2018.
• President Trump launched an unprecedented campaign to drive down drug prices, leading more than a dozen drug manufactures to enact price freezes, reductions, or rollbacks.
• In 2018, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved a record number of generic drugs, breaking the previous record set by the Administration in 2017.
• The FDA’s Fiscal Year (FY) 2017 generic drug approvals are expected to bring nearly $9 billion in savings in 2017 alone.
• President Trump signed legislation eliminating contractual gag clauses that stopped pharmacists from informing patients about lower drug prices.
• The President put forth an initiative to stop global freeloading that drives up prices for American patients.
• The Administration provided Medicare Advantage and Medicare Part D plans with new negotiating tools to drive down drug costs for American patients.
• The Administration implemented reforms to the amount Medicare pays hospitals for drugs that are purchased under the 340B program, saving seniors $320 million in 2018.
• President Trump signed “Right to Try” legislation to expand access to experimental treatments for terminally ill patients.

AND>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Trump signs executive orders aimed at lowering drug prices
President Trump on Friday signed four executive orders aimed at lowering drug prices, seeking to take action on a key issue for voters in an election year.

thehill.com

FIGHTING BACK AGAINST THE CRISIS NEXT DOOR: President Trump mobilized his entire Administration to combat the opioid crisis that has devastated communities across the country.

• President Trump launched an Initiative to Stop Opioid Abuse and Reduce Drug Supply and Demand, introducing new measures to confront the driving forces behind this crisis.
• The President signed the landmark SUPPORT for Patients and Communities Act, the largest and most comprehensive legislative package addressing a single drug crisis in history.
• The President helped secure a record $6 billion in funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
• The Administration provided more than $2 billion in grants in 2018 to help States, territories, tribes, and local communities prevent and treat opioid abuse.
• The Administration pursued scientific solutions to prevent and treat addiction through the Helping to End Addiction Long-term (HEAL) Initiative.
• The President launched a national public awareness campaign about the dangers of opioid addiction and youth opioid usage.
• Last year, President Trump created a Commission on Combating Drug Addiction and the Opioid Crisis, which recommends ways to tackle the opioid crisis.
• The Administration declared the opioid crisis a nationwide Public Health Emergency in 2017.
• President Trump is working to cut off the flow of deadly opioids into our country and to disrupt the networks that distribute them to our communities.
• The Administration secured first-ever indictments against Chinese nationals for fentanyl trafficking.
• The Department of Justice (DOJ) launched a surge to target fentanyl and heroin dealers in the districts with the most severe overdose death rates.
• The DOJ formed a Joint Criminal Opioid Darknet Enforcement team and shut down the biggest Darknet distributor of drugs.
• Last year, the DOJ announced the largest healthcare fraud takedown in history, arresting more than 120 defendants with opioid-related crimes.
• The President launched a Safer Prescribing Plan that seeks to cut nationwide opioid prescription fills by one-third within three years.
• The Administration has led four National Prescription Drug Take-Back Days, collecting a record-breaking 1,837 tons of expired and unneeded prescription drugs.

1. Your stats are death rate per cases when you should be checking death rate per population. Trump said it himself that we have more cases because we test more. His point shows why the cases shouldn’t be used in the death rate calculation. Pete wasn’t lying.

2. we are in an historic economic crisis. Yes it is because of extraordinary circumstances That came from the virus, but Pete is a politician campaigning so he is going to attribute whatever he deems as missteps by trump as contributors to the economic crisis. That’s not lying that’s politics.

3. Trump has been in court for years trying to dismantle Obama care. He promised repeal and replace. Had no plan to replace, Sonja’s been stuck trying to repeal in court. Pete quote accurately called this one out.

So no lies so far by Pete. Got anything else?

 

[protectionist]

Another Trump lie:

“We have a mortality rate. Think of this. That's tenfold better than any other. What we're doing is incredible. If you look you've heard the numbers tenfold. We have fewer people dying and our people have done an incredible job.”

He doesn't say any other "what" - if he meant the top 5 developed countries, As I suspect he was talking about, he would be right. US mortality rate is 3.14%.. Waaaay below UK, France, Italy, belgium, et al.

COVID-19 death rate by country 2022 | Statista

COVID-19 deaths per capita were 2 to 3 times higher in Italy, the UK and Belgium than in the United States.

www.statista.com

Also, Trump brought the US mortality rate date from 17,000/week in April, to only 1000/week 8/15/2020. A 17 fold decrease. This is not the subject that Trump bashers would want to be talking about.

Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

Also, "tenfold' is a an expression that is used both literally and figuratively. It's often used as a metaphorical expression. Like saying I got a "thousand" robo calls yesterday. But leave it up to the left to jump an any little word of Trump, that they can paint as a lie. Ho hum. Strike 4.

 

[Gaeandilth]

Nope even then they would be horrible. They complain about right wing radicals who are on the very fringe and barely even got a voice to express their opinions. Left wing radicals are in the mainstream and have a major platform now. They still have no patriotism, no respect or even a clue about the constitution, no respect for the american people if they do not agree with them, do not even have a real agenda anymore it is all fairy tales.

" Trump goes way beyond little white lies" Not a single of those 16k lies is as unbelievable or serious as a single democrat lie. Unless you believe Hillary when she did not know she was not supposed to destroy subpoenaed evidence or that Bill Clinton was meeting the AG on the tarmac to chit chat about the kids. Or that Obama was legitimately investigating Trump before and after the election. Or plutonium 1 or fast and the furious or bengazi or Hunter Biden ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC. If a Democrat was out front in the media all the time when all they do is try to bash you there would be 10 times as many lies out of their mouths.

 

[protectionist]

Another Trump lie:

"The U.S. has the loosest immigration laws in the world — thanks to Democrats."

How do you justify a claim of this being a lie ? Upon what do you base that ?

 

[candycorn]

Man, is it ever hard to watch Democrats on TV talk shows. Just now Pete Buttigieg was on Meet the Press (aka Meet the Trump Bashers), and I can't think of a single thing he said that was true. Like other Democrats, when talking about the economy, he completely ignores the great accomplishments of the Trump administration for 3 years, 2017-2019, and only talks about the downturn, which was totally caused by the coronavirus.

Actually, even in spite of the coronavirus, Mayor Pete may not have a talking point with 2020's economy either, since the stock market just recorded record highs this month. Hard to imagine the economy being bad, when the stock market is at its best ever.

Going back to last night, there was a special show on my local NBC affiliate, last night about race relations. One of the shows hosts asked the panel they had there (composed entirely of liberals), what "we who have white privilege, can do" Well, it doesn't help race relations to perpetuate a myth that there is a such thing as "white privilege", when in fact, whites have been the victims of the largest racial discrimination in America (Affirmative Action), for 56 years. All that does is intensify bad race relations by making blacks (beneficiaries) of discrimination, believe that they are victims of it, which is ludicrous.

I would not hestitate to guess that, overall, blacks, all across America, really DO believe that they are victims of racial discrimination, when exactly the opposite of that is true. And all of this distortion and misconception, is caused by and perpetuated by, this false narrative of those on the left, who keep pushing it, and speaking it as if it were the gospel truth.

It would have helped if there would have been at least one conservative on this rigged panel, who would have had the guts to tell it like it is - after I called the station, one person I talked to said they couldn't find any conservative to come on the show. HA HA HA. I can think of hundreds who would have gladly been there, including me.

Getting back to this morning's Meet the Press show, leftist mouthpiece Chuck Todd claimed to refute the common (and truthful) conservative line that Trump rescued America from an Obama economy that was faltering. He claimed to have done a "fact check". His so-called "fact-check" was nothing more than a set of numbers arranged in such a way as to make it appear that there was no change in the economies of Obama and Trump.

Todd looked at the 4 years of Obama's 2nd term, as depicted by the Obama-friendly BEA and showed a GDP growth % about the same (2.2%) as Trump's first term up until December 2019. What Todd doesn't mention is that the BEA that he uses as a source, is a laughingstock, which has been cooking the books on these numbers regularly since Trump had a 4.2% GDP in his best month (which the BEA lowered to 3.3%). Since then, Trump's numbers have been posted, only to be shown lower than they first were, while Obama's numbers kept getting raised. Did they really think nobody was noticing ?

So here's what Todd wants us to look at (keeping in mind that these numbers are already culitvated/elevated for Obama) >>

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And HERE is what conservatives refer to regarding Obama's faltering economy (his last 2 years) which, of course Todd omitted from his "fact check" >>

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And now for the REAL fact check, HERE is the V shape of Obama's recession, and Trump's rescue, just as conservatives rightly claim, and as Chuck Todd tried to cover up and distract us away from >>>

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The recession belongs to the blob.