ColonelAngus
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If I choose not to buy a pack of gum, did I lose that gum?
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The lies are so transparent.
If the mandate is removed and people aren't punished for not buying healthcare, that is not "losing" their healthcare...it's choosing not to buy it.
Dems are such liars.
It's also odd for Democrats to punish the poor for not buying healthcare by making them pay a fine on their taxes.
If these poor people can't afford to buy an ID so they can vote, they sure as fuck can't buy health insurance
The vast, vast, vast majority of people who would lose their health insurance under these Republican counterfeit repeals are people who would INVOLUNTARILY lose their health insurance, you fucking, fucking ,fucking retard.The lies are so transparent.
If the mandate is removed and people aren't punished for not buying healthcare, that is not "losing" their healthcare...it's choosing not to buy it.
Dems are such liars.
It's also odd for Democrats to punish the poor for not buying healthcare by making them pay a fine on their taxes.
If these poor people can't afford to buy an ID so they can vote, they sure as fuck can't buy health insurance
ER treatment is tempory and meant to stabilize an illness or injury. Patients are discharged with instructions to seek further attention. Even when hospitalization is required, it is only temporary treatment. So, yes, a person having a heart attack will get life-saving treatment at the ER and may spend days hospitalized and undergoing diagnostic tests, but once the patient is stabilized they will be released and it is up to them to find further and continued treatment.Fewer people are turned away from receiving healthcare since Obamacare, but even today people are being turned away.If one chooses not to buy healthcare, they are not losing it.
Dems are flat out lying.
Healthcare and insurance are 2 different things. No one is turned away from getting healthcare, regardless of their health insurance.
Dems lie all day, every day. The truth is their enemy.
It's simply not true.
People are not turned away from the ER to die from life threatening injuries or disease.
If that gum costs $1 and you have a $1 you can choose. If the cost of that gum goes up to $5 and you have a $1 you can NOT choose.If I choose not to buy a pack of gum, did I lose that gum?
People are not turned away from the ER to die from life threatening injuries or disease.
Assuming this is true, what you say to the children of these bad decision makers? Tough luck, the sins of the father are visited on the son?One third of the "involuntarily uninsured" are people who made a series of bad decisions, and the liberals want the rest of us to carry them on our backs for the rest of their lives.
You don't have to assume. It IS true.Assuming this is true, what you say to the children of these bad decision makers? Tough luck, the sins of the father are visited on the son?One third of the "involuntarily uninsured" are people who made a series of bad decisions, and the liberals want the rest of us to carry them on our backs for the rest of their lives.
For example, roughly one-third of the involuntarily uninsured are high school dropouts, compared to approximately 7 percent of the privately insured population.
I was addressing the individual mandate. I agree, there should be no employer mandate, it is a terrible way to fund health care.Here is my problem with the employer mandate.
Employer sponsored health insurance drives up the cost of health care. Everyone knows this. Or at least everyone who knows anything about our health care system knows this.
So why would Democrats, who claim they are trying to cut health care costs, more deeply embed employer sponsored health insurance by mandating every employer with more than 30 full time employees provide health insurance?
The reason is that Democrats were not really trying to save money. They were trying to get labor union votes.
ObamaCare was a bait-and-switch con.
Another big problem with employer sponsored health care is the personal tax exemption. An employer funds around $13,000 of the average employee's health insurance.
That $13,000 is untaxed income for the employee.
That is the single largest individual tax expenditure in the tax code. It adds up to $250 billion in lost revenues.
That lost revenue is made up for by raising the tax rates on EVERY taxpayer.
For these reasons, employer sponsored health insurance needs to be DIScouraged, not more deeply embedded!
There is no cognitive dissonance here, only a difference of values. My values say I won't punish the innocent and the health of children is more important than money.You don't have to assume. It IS true.Assuming this is true, what you say to the children of these bad decision makers? Tough luck, the sins of the father are visited on the son?One third of the "involuntarily uninsured" are people who made a series of bad decisions, and the liberals want the rest of us to carry them on our backs for the rest of their lives.
Employment Policies Institute | Who are the Uninsured? An Analysis of America’s Uninsured Population, Their Characteristics and Their Health
For example, roughly one-third of the involuntarily uninsured are high school dropouts, compared to approximately 7 percent of the privately insured population.
What do you say to the sons of the people who have to give up their income to carry others? Tough luck, the sins of strangers are visited on your children?
The Medicaid expansion of ObamaCare provided health insurance to many millions of people who did not have health insurance.I chose NOT to buy a Playstation this week....my PLAYSTATION WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM ME!!!
You ARE punishing the innocent. You are taking money from innocent people and giving it to other people as a reward for their fuckups.There is no cognitive dissonance here, only a difference of values. My values say I won't punish the innocent and the health of children is more important than money.You don't have to assume. It IS true.Assuming this is true, what you say to the children of these bad decision makers? Tough luck, the sins of the father are visited on the son?One third of the "involuntarily uninsured" are people who made a series of bad decisions, and the liberals want the rest of us to carry them on our backs for the rest of their lives.
Employment Policies Institute | Who are the Uninsured? An Analysis of America’s Uninsured Population, Their Characteristics and Their Health
For example, roughly one-third of the involuntarily uninsured are high school dropouts, compared to approximately 7 percent of the privately insured population.
What do you say to the sons of the people who have to give up their income to carry others? Tough luck, the sins of strangers are visited on your children?
Yes, but the children of the fuckups are also innocent and my values say that health trumps money. The reason this does not cause cognitive dissonance in you is because you don't have the empathy required to experience itYou ARE punishing the innocent. You are taking money from innocent people and giving it to other people as a reward for their fuckups.
The reason this does not cause cognitive dissonance in you is because you don't have the intelligence required to experience it.
Rewarding bad choices by stealing from others does not immanentize the eschaton.Yes, but the children of the fuckups are also innocent and my values say that health trumps money. The reason this does not cause cognitive dissonance in you is because you don't have the empathy required to experience itYou ARE punishing the innocent. You are taking money from innocent people and giving it to other people as a reward for their fuckups.
The reason this does not cause cognitive dissonance in you is because you don't have the intelligence required to experience it.
I'd argue it is bipartisan. LOLRewarding bad choices by stealing from others does not immanentize the eschaton.Yes, but the children of the fuckups are also innocent and my values say that health trumps money. The reason this does not cause cognitive dissonance in you is because you don't have the empathy required to experience itYou ARE punishing the innocent. You are taking money from innocent people and giving it to other people as a reward for their fuckups.
The reason this does not cause cognitive dissonance in you is because you don't have the intelligence required to experience it.
A lesson liberals have utterly and repeatedly failed to learn.
I guess I learned my bad habits from Jesus. Foolish man wasted his precious time healing the sick and asking for us to give alms to the poor.Rewarding bad choices by stealing from others does not immanentize the eschaton.Yes, but the children of the fuckups are also innocent and my values say that health trumps money. The reason this does not cause cognitive dissonance in you is because you don't have the empathy required to experience itYou ARE punishing the innocent. You are taking money from innocent people and giving it to other people as a reward for their fuckups.
The reason this does not cause cognitive dissonance in you is because you don't have the intelligence required to experience it.
A lesson liberals have utterly and repeatedly failed to learn.