If Obamacare is so great why are there no insurers backing it and

[debbiedowner]

Unbeknownst to the general public Insurance companies were allowed to sell across state lines under obamacare and took effect 1/1/2016 no insurance company I know took advantage. You're dealing with each individual state office of insurance regulation and each state has different mandates that were in place before obamacare and damn near virtually impossible to set up networks. The closest thing to a national network is Bluecard under Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association.

that is not true. A company with operations in multiple states could pick a company in the most advantageous state to cover its employees in all states, but an individual living in California cannot buy a policy sold by a company in New York.

I thought you were talking about individual plans. Usually wherever a company is domiciled is the state they will pick their health insurer. You are intertwining group and individual rules.

that is also not true. I worked for a company whose home office was in California. Their employees in all states were covered by Blue Cross of Illinois.

But my point remains valid. No individual can buy a policy except in the state where he resides. If that was done away with, there would be much more competition and lower premiums

Your point about individual is valid except Jan 1, 2016 under the ACA companies could have sold across state lines, no one to my knowledge did. Too many regulations from state to state.

Can you provide a cite from ACA to verify that? I never heard that, but if you say it was so, then you should be able to verify it for us

If you want to dive into the 10,000 page ACA have at it, but here is the article:

Insurers not interested in selling ObamaCare across state lines

© Getty
Donald Trump had one response when asked about how he would replace ObamaCare at this week’s presidential debate: He’ll allow companies to sell insurance across state lines.

The GOP’s decade-old talking point has gained momentum since the healthcare law passed six years ago. But Republicans rarely — if ever — acknowledge that the crux of what they want is already allowed under ObamaCare.



ADVERTISEMENT
For the last 10 months, states have been legally allowed to let insurers sell plans outside their borders.
Despite the idea’s enduring popularity, no states have signaled interest in the policy, insurance experts and regulators say. And the federal government never even finished writing the rules for how it would work.

“Insurers aren’t interested at this point,” Linda Blumberg, a senior fellow on health policy at the Urban Institute, said in an interview. “It’s kind of a lot of effort for no necessary return.”

ObamaCare’s little-known provision that allows insurers to sell plans across state lines was tucked inside the 1,000-page law at the time of its passage, though it didn’t go into effect until January 2016.

Under the law, two or more states can band together into what’s called a “healthcare choice compact.” That means people can buy health coverage from another state that wouldn’t be subjected to the rules of their home state, as long as those states agree.

States would have to explicitly pass legislation to empower insurers to enter into these agreements.

Thirteen states have tried to pass these laws since ObamaCare was signed in 2010, in part because of a push by the powerful conservative group American Legislative Exchange Council.

Only three states have approved those laws — Kentucky, Georgia and Maine — although none have actually made deals with other states to sell their plans, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Conservatives say the provision that’s already in the law is far from what Republicans have in mind when they’re touting the idea on the campaign trail.

“It’s like a fake-out, and it’s not even a very convincing fake-out,” said Tom Miller, a health policy expert at the conservative American Enterprise Institute.

Insurance companies in these special agreements under ObamaCare would still have to follow the law’s minimum standards, which requires all health plans to cover certain types of providers and services in each network. The biggest change is that companies could skirt rules that are stricter than ObamaCare’s.

“All that’s saying is, you get to do something different as long as you do the same thing you’re doing before,” Miller added.

In the GOP’s ideal world, companies would be selling insurance across state lines without the mandatory coverage requirements of ObamaCare.

Candidates like Trump have vowed to entirely repeal the healthcare law. States would again set their own regulations, leaving GOP-controlled statehouses to set low regulatory bars with hopes of driving down the costs of health plans.

 

[Redfish]

that is not true. A company with operations in multiple states could pick a company in the most advantageous state to cover its employees in all states, but an individual living in California cannot buy a policy sold by a company in New York.

I thought you were talking about individual plans. Usually wherever a company is domiciled is the state they will pick their health insurer. You are intertwining group and individual rules.

that is also not true. I worked for a company whose home office was in California. Their employees in all states were covered by Blue Cross of Illinois.

But my point remains valid. No individual can buy a policy except in the state where he resides. If that was done away with, there would be much more competition and lower premiums

Your point about individual is valid except Jan 1, 2016 under the ACA companies could have sold across state lines, no one to my knowledge did. Too many regulations from state to state.

Can you provide a cite from ACA to verify that? I never heard that, but if you say it was so, then you should be able to verify it for us

If you want to dive into the 10,000 page ACA have at it, but here is the article:

Insurers not interested in selling ObamaCare across state lines

© Getty
Donald Trump had one response when asked about how he would replace ObamaCare at this week’s presidential debate: He’ll allow companies to sell insurance across state lines.

The GOP’s decade-old talking point has gained momentum since the healthcare law passed six years ago. But Republicans rarely — if ever — acknowledge that the crux of what they want is already allowed under ObamaCare.



ADVERTISEMENT
For the last 10 months, states have been legally allowed to let insurers sell plans outside their borders.
Despite the idea’s enduring popularity, no states have signaled interest in the policy, insurance experts and regulators say. And the federal government never even finished writing the rules for how it would work.

“Insurers aren’t interested at this point,” Linda Blumberg, a senior fellow on health policy at the Urban Institute, said in an interview. “It’s kind of a lot of effort for no necessary return.”

ObamaCare’s little-known provision that allows insurers to sell plans across state lines was tucked inside the 1,000-page law at the time of its passage, though it didn’t go into effect until January 2016.

Under the law, two or more states can band together into what’s called a “healthcare choice compact.” That means people can buy health coverage from another state that wouldn’t be subjected to the rules of their home state, as long as those states agree.

States would have to explicitly pass legislation to empower insurers to enter into these agreements.

Thirteen states have tried to pass these laws since ObamaCare was signed in 2010, in part because of a push by the powerful conservative group American Legislative Exchange Council.

Only three states have approved those laws — Kentucky, Georgia and Maine — although none have actually made deals with other states to sell their plans, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Conservatives say the provision that’s already in the law is far from what Republicans have in mind when they’re touting the idea on the campaign trail.

“It’s like a fake-out, and it’s not even a very convincing fake-out,” said Tom Miller, a health policy expert at the conservative American Enterprise Institute.

Insurance companies in these special agreements under ObamaCare would still have to follow the law’s minimum standards, which requires all health plans to cover certain types of providers and services in each network. The biggest change is that companies could skirt rules that are stricter than ObamaCare’s.

“All that’s saying is, you get to do something different as long as you do the same thing you’re doing before,” Miller added.

In the GOP’s ideal world, companies would be selling insurance across state lines without the mandatory coverage requirements of ObamaCare.

Candidates like Trump have vowed to entirely repeal the healthcare law. States would again set their own regulations, leaving GOP-controlled statehouses to set low regulatory bars with hopes of driving down the costs of health plans.

Geez, did you even read it? It says that insurers are not interested is selling OBAMACARE across state lines, It does not say that insurers are not interested is selling health insurance across state lines.

Of course they don't want to sell obamacare across state lines, they are already losing money on it.

 

[dblack]

the premium should be the same for everyone regardless of health status or age. "insurance" is a method by which risk is shared by a large group of people thereby reducing the financial risk to any individual. It works for the insurance company because the net collections exceed the payouts by a small margin. If not, the company fails.

No, that's "group insurance", which doesn't work. It's a proven failure and we need to return to individual insurance policies, like we use in every other kind of insurance.

ALL insurance is group insurance. WTF is wrong with you? Are you that fricken dumb?

I understand your frustration. It can be painful to find out you've been conned.

 

[Redfish]

the premium should be the same for everyone regardless of health status or age. "insurance" is a method by which risk is shared by a large group of people thereby reducing the financial risk to any individual. It works for the insurance company because the net collections exceed the payouts by a small margin. If not, the company fails.

No, that's "group insurance", which doesn't work. It's a proven failure and we need to return to individual insurance policies, like we use in every other kind of insurance.

ALL insurance is group insurance. WTF is wrong with you? Are you that fricken dumb?

I understand your frustration. It can be painful to find out you've been conned.

I have not been conned. the leftist morons on this forum have been conned. Was your comment aimed at them?

 

[dblack]

the premium should be the same for everyone regardless of health status or age. "insurance" is a method by which risk is shared by a large group of people thereby reducing the financial risk to any individual. It works for the insurance company because the net collections exceed the payouts by a small margin. If not, the company fails.

No, that's "group insurance", which doesn't work. It's a proven failure and we need to return to individual insurance policies, like we use in every other kind of insurance.

ALL insurance is group insurance. WTF is wrong with you? Are you that fricken dumb?

I understand your frustration. It can be painful to find out you've been conned.

I have not been conned. the leftist morons on this forum have been conned. Was your comment aimed at them?

It's aimed at anyone commenting on the topic who can't be bothered to read up on it. Employer provided group health insurance is the single biggest problem plaguing the health care market. If I were an authoritarian, like most of the folks here, I'd suggest we ban it outright. But that isn't really necessary. All we need to do is stop subsidizing it with government and let the market sort it out. People won't pay for worthless crap if they're spending their own money.

 

[Vandalshandle]

the premium should be the same for everyone regardless of health status or age. "insurance" is a method by which risk is shared by a large group of people thereby reducing the financial risk to any individual. It works for the insurance company because the net collections exceed the payouts by a small margin. If not, the company fails.

No, that's "group insurance", which doesn't work. It's a proven failure and we need to return to individual insurance policies, like we use in every other kind of insurance.

Black, that is so wrong, on so many different levels that it disqualifies you from further discussion on the subject.

The fact that you, and so many others, have blinded yourselves to such an obvious reality is what's most wrong about it.

Red, you are not on Medicare, and frankly you simply do not know what you are talking about. I live in a retire community with 31,000 people, all of whom are over 55 years old, and 80% are over 65 years old. Not only does the community have plenty of doctors, I have never had to wait more than 5 days to get an appointment. i have my choice of three private companies that compete with Medicare, or, Medicare, itself. I choose CareMore, which successfully competes because they throw in extra benefits that I like, including glasses, frames and vision exams. My benefits are 100% with a $300 hospital deductible, and a $15 copay to see a specialist. I pay nothing to see my primary care doc, or for lab work. My girl friend chose to buy a Medicare Supp. from a private company that even pays the copays and deductibles for her. Please try to stick to things that you are familiar with. Medicare Advantage, is apparently beyond your experience.

sorry dude, but I am on medicare. My wife and I have a medicare advantage plan through Humana that pays for things as you described in your post. It is a great plan and costs us about $45/month.

My point, which you refuse to get, is that if you put the entire country on plans like we have there just isn't enough money. Medicare is going broke. Medicare taxes on working people will have to be raised just to support the new retirees to whom medicare is guaranteed.

Yes, medicare is a good program, I like it. The supplements and advantage plans work well--------------for the small % of the country that is on them. Putting 330,000,000 people on medicare would bankrupt the country---------------unless the working americans are willing to have 60% of their paychecks taken from them by the government.

Ok, I think I get it it. It is OK for you to be on Medicare Advantage, but not other people. While I have a problem trying to understand why that is, considering that the rest of the industrialized world has universal health care, it doesn't really matter. The GOP motto, of, "I've got mine. To hell with you!" still defines the RW philosophy.

wrong again, I paid medicare taxes for over 40 years, I pay a premium for my MA policy.

I understand that you want "free" medical care for everyone, I get it. But it wont be free, someone has to pay the doctors, hospitals, and drug companies. You say "just let the government pay them". Well, where does the government get its money? From YOU and ME. The "rest of the industrialized world" pays huge tax rates for its free stuff, and they get shitty medical care in exchange. Ask the Canadians (whose medical system is imploding) or the Brits if they like their "free" medical care. Ask them why they come to the US if they have serious medical issues.

!. I never mentioned the word, "free". It is a matter of priority. We have over 200 military bases on foreign soil, spend more than the next 7 countries combined on military, and spen hundreds of millions of dollars per fighter airplane so that they can knock out our enemies driving around in 1993 Nissan pickup trucks. That is flat out ridicuals

2. There is nothing wrong with Canadian health care. I havve used it, and when I go into my Medicare donut hole, I order my RX from them , saving 1/3 the US cost. In fact, medical care tourism is a booming business. Speaking of which:

World Health Organization's Ranking of the World's Health Systems

...the USA ranks 37, behind Canada, and even Costa Rica.

then I suggest that you go to Costa Rica for your heart bypass surgery.

those rankings are pure unadulterated bullshit.

Well, let's see. On one hand, I have the World Health Organization's opinion on health care. On the other hand, I have Redfish's opinion on health care. Which one would I go with? Man, that's a hard choice!

 

[dblack]

Well, let's see. On one hand, I have the World Health Organization's opinion on health care. On the other hand, I have Redfish's opinion on health care. Which one would I go with? Man, that's a hard choice!

Try forming one of your own. Read up on the history of health care and health insurance and see where you end up. There's a lot of money and power at stake with "health care reform", which means there's a lot of propaganda.

 

[debbiedowner]

I thought you were talking about individual plans. Usually wherever a company is domiciled is the state they will pick their health insurer. You are intertwining group and individual rules.

that is also not true. I worked for a company whose home office was in California. Their employees in all states were covered by Blue Cross of Illinois.

But my point remains valid. No individual can buy a policy except in the state where he resides. If that was done away with, there would be much more competition and lower premiums

Your point about individual is valid except Jan 1, 2016 under the ACA companies could have sold across state lines, no one to my knowledge did. Too many regulations from state to state.

Can you provide a cite from ACA to verify that? I never heard that, but if you say it was so, then you should be able to verify it for us

If you want to dive into the 10,000 page ACA have at it, but here is the article:

Insurers not interested in selling ObamaCare across state lines

© Getty
Donald Trump had one response when asked about how he would replace ObamaCare at this week’s presidential debate: He’ll allow companies to sell insurance across state lines.

The GOP’s decade-old talking point has gained momentum since the healthcare law passed six years ago. But Republicans rarely — if ever — acknowledge that the crux of what they want is already allowed under ObamaCare.



ADVERTISEMENT
For the last 10 months, states have been legally allowed to let insurers sell plans outside their borders.
Despite the idea’s enduring popularity, no states have signaled interest in the policy, insurance experts and regulators say. And the federal government never even finished writing the rules for how it would work.

“Insurers aren’t interested at this point,” Linda Blumberg, a senior fellow on health policy at the Urban Institute, said in an interview. “It’s kind of a lot of effort for no necessary return.”

ObamaCare’s little-known provision that allows insurers to sell plans across state lines was tucked inside the 1,000-page law at the time of its passage, though it didn’t go into effect until January 2016.

Under the law, two or more states can band together into what’s called a “healthcare choice compact.” That means people can buy health coverage from another state that wouldn’t be subjected to the rules of their home state, as long as those states agree.

States would have to explicitly pass legislation to empower insurers to enter into these agreements.

Thirteen states have tried to pass these laws since ObamaCare was signed in 2010, in part because of a push by the powerful conservative group American Legislative Exchange Council.

Only three states have approved those laws — Kentucky, Georgia and Maine — although none have actually made deals with other states to sell their plans, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Conservatives say the provision that’s already in the law is far from what Republicans have in mind when they’re touting the idea on the campaign trail.

“It’s like a fake-out, and it’s not even a very convincing fake-out,” said Tom Miller, a health policy expert at the conservative American Enterprise Institute.

Insurance companies in these special agreements under ObamaCare would still have to follow the law’s minimum standards, which requires all health plans to cover certain types of providers and services in each network. The biggest change is that companies could skirt rules that are stricter than ObamaCare’s.

“All that’s saying is, you get to do something different as long as you do the same thing you’re doing before,” Miller added.

In the GOP’s ideal world, companies would be selling insurance across state lines without the mandatory coverage requirements of ObamaCare.

Candidates like Trump have vowed to entirely repeal the healthcare law. States would again set their own regulations, leaving GOP-controlled statehouses to set low regulatory bars with hopes of driving down the costs of health plans.

Geez, did you even read it? It says that insurers are not interested is selling OBAMACARE across state lines, It does not say that insurers are not interested is selling health insurance across state lines.

Of course they don't want to sell obamacare across state lines, they are already losing money on it.

Goddamn I've tried to be polite to you but you make it really hard. You asked me to prove that they could sell it NOT if they were interested. You don't even know what you post. I proved they could have sold it if they had wanted to.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Well, let's see. On one hand, I have the World Health Organization's opinion on health care. On the other hand, I have Redfish's opinion on health care. Which one would I go with? Man, that's a hard choice!

Try forming one of your own. Read up on the history of health care and health insurance and see where you end up. There's a lot of money and power at stake with "health care reform", which means there's a lot of propaganda.

Sorry, Black, but I meant it when I said that you are not qualified for discussion on health care, when you stated that group insurance was failed. Having spent 50 years career in group health insurance, I simply can not carry on a conversation with someone who is that ignorant on the subject.

 

[dblack]

Sorry, Black, but I meant it when I said that you are not qualified for discussion on health care, when you stated that group insurance was failed. Having spent 50 years career in group health insurance, I simply can not carry on a conversation with someone who is that ignorant on the subject.

Yes, you keep striking this pose, but it isn't as flattering as you seem to think:

 

[Redfish]

that is also not true. I worked for a company whose home office was in California. Their employees in all states were covered by Blue Cross of Illinois.

But my point remains valid. No individual can buy a policy except in the state where he resides. If that was done away with, there would be much more competition and lower premiums

Your point about individual is valid except Jan 1, 2016 under the ACA companies could have sold across state lines, no one to my knowledge did. Too many regulations from state to state.

Can you provide a cite from ACA to verify that? I never heard that, but if you say it was so, then you should be able to verify it for us

If you want to dive into the 10,000 page ACA have at it, but here is the article:

Insurers not interested in selling ObamaCare across state lines

© Getty
Donald Trump had one response when asked about how he would replace ObamaCare at this week’s presidential debate: He’ll allow companies to sell insurance across state lines.

The GOP’s decade-old talking point has gained momentum since the healthcare law passed six years ago. But Republicans rarely — if ever — acknowledge that the crux of what they want is already allowed under ObamaCare.



ADVERTISEMENT
For the last 10 months, states have been legally allowed to let insurers sell plans outside their borders.
Despite the idea’s enduring popularity, no states have signaled interest in the policy, insurance experts and regulators say. And the federal government never even finished writing the rules for how it would work.

“Insurers aren’t interested at this point,” Linda Blumberg, a senior fellow on health policy at the Urban Institute, said in an interview. “It’s kind of a lot of effort for no necessary return.”

ObamaCare’s little-known provision that allows insurers to sell plans across state lines was tucked inside the 1,000-page law at the time of its passage, though it didn’t go into effect until January 2016.

Under the law, two or more states can band together into what’s called a “healthcare choice compact.” That means people can buy health coverage from another state that wouldn’t be subjected to the rules of their home state, as long as those states agree.

States would have to explicitly pass legislation to empower insurers to enter into these agreements.

Thirteen states have tried to pass these laws since ObamaCare was signed in 2010, in part because of a push by the powerful conservative group American Legislative Exchange Council.

Only three states have approved those laws — Kentucky, Georgia and Maine — although none have actually made deals with other states to sell their plans, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Conservatives say the provision that’s already in the law is far from what Republicans have in mind when they’re touting the idea on the campaign trail.

“It’s like a fake-out, and it’s not even a very convincing fake-out,” said Tom Miller, a health policy expert at the conservative American Enterprise Institute.

Insurance companies in these special agreements under ObamaCare would still have to follow the law’s minimum standards, which requires all health plans to cover certain types of providers and services in each network. The biggest change is that companies could skirt rules that are stricter than ObamaCare’s.

“All that’s saying is, you get to do something different as long as you do the same thing you’re doing before,” Miller added.

In the GOP’s ideal world, companies would be selling insurance across state lines without the mandatory coverage requirements of ObamaCare.

Candidates like Trump have vowed to entirely repeal the healthcare law. States would again set their own regulations, leaving GOP-controlled statehouses to set low regulatory bars with hopes of driving down the costs of health plans.

Geez, did you even read it? It says that insurers are not interested is selling OBAMACARE across state lines, It does not say that insurers are not interested is selling health insurance across state lines.

Of course they don't want to sell obamacare across state lines, they are already losing money on it.

Goddamn I've tried to be polite to you but you make it really hard. You asked me to prove that they could sell it NOT if they were interested. You don't even know what you post. I proved they could have sold it if they had wanted to.

the title of the article you posted as proof was : "insurers not interested in selling obamacare across state lines".

Its your post. I just used your words.

Are you on drugs?

 

[danielpalos]

I thought you were talking about individual plans. Usually wherever a company is domiciled is the state they will pick their health insurer. You are intertwining group and individual rules.

that is also not true. I worked for a company whose home office was in California. Their employees in all states were covered by Blue Cross of Illinois.

But my point remains valid. No individual can buy a policy except in the state where he resides. If that was done away with, there would be much more competition and lower premiums

Your point about individual is valid except Jan 1, 2016 under the ACA companies could have sold across state lines, no one to my knowledge did. Too many regulations from state to state.

Can you provide a cite from ACA to verify that? I never heard that, but if you say it was so, then you should be able to verify it for us

If you want to dive into the 10,000 page ACA have at it, but here is the article:

Insurers not interested in selling ObamaCare across state lines

© Getty
Donald Trump had one response when asked about how he would replace ObamaCare at this week’s presidential debate: He’ll allow companies to sell insurance across state lines.

The GOP’s decade-old talking point has gained momentum since the healthcare law passed six years ago. But Republicans rarely — if ever — acknowledge that the crux of what they want is already allowed under ObamaCare.



ADVERTISEMENT
For the last 10 months, states have been legally allowed to let insurers sell plans outside their borders.
Despite the idea’s enduring popularity, no states have signaled interest in the policy, insurance experts and regulators say. And the federal government never even finished writing the rules for how it would work.

“Insurers aren’t interested at this point,” Linda Blumberg, a senior fellow on health policy at the Urban Institute, said in an interview. “It’s kind of a lot of effort for no necessary return.”

ObamaCare’s little-known provision that allows insurers to sell plans across state lines was tucked inside the 1,000-page law at the time of its passage, though it didn’t go into effect until January 2016.

Under the law, two or more states can band together into what’s called a “healthcare choice compact.” That means people can buy health coverage from another state that wouldn’t be subjected to the rules of their home state, as long as those states agree.

States would have to explicitly pass legislation to empower insurers to enter into these agreements.

Thirteen states have tried to pass these laws since ObamaCare was signed in 2010, in part because of a push by the powerful conservative group American Legislative Exchange Council.

Only three states have approved those laws — Kentucky, Georgia and Maine — although none have actually made deals with other states to sell their plans, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Conservatives say the provision that’s already in the law is far from what Republicans have in mind when they’re touting the idea on the campaign trail.

“It’s like a fake-out, and it’s not even a very convincing fake-out,” said Tom Miller, a health policy expert at the conservative American Enterprise Institute.

Insurance companies in these special agreements under ObamaCare would still have to follow the law’s minimum standards, which requires all health plans to cover certain types of providers and services in each network. The biggest change is that companies could skirt rules that are stricter than ObamaCare’s.

“All that’s saying is, you get to do something different as long as you do the same thing you’re doing before,” Miller added.

In the GOP’s ideal world, companies would be selling insurance across state lines without the mandatory coverage requirements of ObamaCare.

Candidates like Trump have vowed to entirely repeal the healthcare law. States would again set their own regulations, leaving GOP-controlled statehouses to set low regulatory bars with hopes of driving down the costs of health plans.

Geez, did you even read it? It says that insurers are not interested is selling OBAMACARE across state lines, It does not say that insurers are not interested is selling health insurance across state lines.

Of course they don't want to sell obamacare across state lines, they are already losing money on it.

States would have to explicitly pass legislation to empower insurers to enter into these agreements.

Thirteen states have tried to pass these laws since ObamaCare was signed in 2010, in part because of a push by the powerful conservative group American Legislative Exchange Council.

 

[danielpalos]

Well, let's see. On one hand, I have the World Health Organization's opinion on health care. On the other hand, I have Redfish's opinion on health care. Which one would I go with? Man, that's a hard choice!

Try forming one of your own. Read up on the history of health care and health insurance and see where you end up. There's a lot of money and power at stake with "health care reform", which means there's a lot of propaganda.

The right wing campaigned on a fine and wonder plan, for the People. Where is it?

 

[dblack]

Well, let's see. On one hand, I have the World Health Organization's opinion on health care. On the other hand, I have Redfish's opinion on health care. Which one would I go with? Man, that's a hard choice!

Try forming one of your own. Read up on the history of health care and health insurance and see where you end up. There's a lot of money and power at stake with "health care reform", which means there's a lot of propaganda.

The right wing campaigned on a fine and wonder plan, for the People. Where is it?

Hell I don't know. Don't much care. I'm not interested in 'wings'. I just don't want government taking over health care.

 

[danielpalos]

Well, let's see. On one hand, I have the World Health Organization's opinion on health care. On the other hand, I have Redfish's opinion on health care. Which one would I go with? Man, that's a hard choice!

Try forming one of your own. Read up on the history of health care and health insurance and see where you end up. There's a lot of money and power at stake with "health care reform", which means there's a lot of propaganda.

The right wing campaigned on a fine and wonder plan, for the People. Where is it?

Hell I don't know. Don't much care. I'm not interested in 'wings'. I just don't want government taking over health care.

Fixing Standards for the Union is a Power delegated to our federal Congress.

 

[dblack]

Well, let's see. On one hand, I have the World Health Organization's opinion on health care. On the other hand, I have Redfish's opinion on health care. Which one would I go with? Man, that's a hard choice!

Try forming one of your own. Read up on the history of health care and health insurance and see where you end up. There's a lot of money and power at stake with "health care reform", which means there's a lot of propaganda.

The right wing campaigned on a fine and wonder plan, for the People. Where is it?

Hell I don't know. Don't much care. I'm not interested in 'wings'. I just don't want government taking over health care.

Fixing Standards for the Union is a Power delegated to our federal Congress.

Official at-will Poverty will make special PLeading drug war.

 

[danielpalos]

Well, let's see. On one hand, I have the World Health Organization's opinion on health care. On the other hand, I have Redfish's opinion on health care. Which one would I go with? Man, that's a hard choice!

Try forming one of your own. Read up on the history of health care and health insurance and see where you end up. There's a lot of money and power at stake with "health care reform", which means there's a lot of propaganda.

The right wing campaigned on a fine and wonder plan, for the People. Where is it?

Hell I don't know. Don't much care. I'm not interested in 'wings'. I just don't want government taking over health care.

Fixing Standards for the Union is a Power delegated to our federal Congress.

Official at-will Poverty will make special PLeading drug war.

lol. I cited a power enumerated in our supreme law of the land.