If Jesus Is God

[Meriweather]

And did the holy spirit direct the roman politions who decided which book went into the bible?

Cause there were about a dozen more gospels that early christians considered scriptue that didnt make the cut.

I think the decisions weremade based on politics more than gods will.

New Testament Books had to meet the following criteria:

1) apostolic origin (first century origin)
2) theological correctness (unbroken succession)
3) authority of the church leaders
4) widespread appropriation of the churches (Testimony of the Ancients)

 

[Clyde 154]

Mass delusion due to religion is common throughout all of human history. Worshippers of Zeus and Vishnu were/are as faithful as any who follow one of the countless Abrahamic religions.

The difference? These pagan religions faded out of existence.......while Christianity is eternal as a kingdom without end. Christianity was prophesied 1500 years before it came into existence in the 1st century. (Jer. 31:31-34)

There is no other religion on earth that compares with the religion of Christianity. You act as if Christianity is simply the counterpart to Hinduism, Islam, or Buddism. Comparing Allah the same as Jehovah and Jehovah the same as Braham or even the pagan gods mentioned from Greece. Indeed there are some, in ignorance think all religions are the same, just calling God by different names based upon the culture. Suggesting that all are acceptable as God.

Quick answer? No.........these religions are not the same dressed in different packages. Logical question? Is a book with blank pages the same as book filled with demonstrable truths?

Example: The N.T. Bible claims to be the only true representative of God's divine revelations. Specifically, the only path to God must go through Jesus the Christ (the Son of God......being God in the flesh because He is the only begotten of the Father.......if an apple falls from a tree and goes to seed, what type of tree is produced other than an apple tree?) -- John 14:6, 2 John 9..et.al,)

Who did Jesus pray to? To His Father who art in heaven..........................

The Bible is different because of the historical record contained therein where it attacks all other religions as being false. Within the pages of the Holy Bible beginning in Old Testament you will see God always speaking against the other religions of the world, The religions of Egypt, Babylon, Assryia, Canaan, Greece and others are roundly attacked, condemned and described in great detail as being false and devilish.

Simply calling something god does not make it acceptable to the actual God of Creation. Christian doctrine propagates a message that when one worships God, He must worship IN SPIRIT and TRUTH. (John 4:24)

 

[Augustine_]

The difference? These pagan religions faded out of existence.......while Christianity is eternal as a kingdom without end.

All the dead religions felt similarly about their own fabricated beliefs. If it comforts you, continue believing your stories. Just don't force your nonsense on the rest of us.

 

[Meriweather]

If it comforts you, continue believing

How does belief tie in with comfort? Comfort from what?

For example, would you tell who has a math book, "If it comforts you, continue studying equations and geometric proofs?"

Why do you think people study math? Similarly, why do you say people study religion for comfort? Again, comfort from what?

 

[kjw47]

New Testament Books had to meet the following criteria:

1) apostolic origin (first century origin)
2) theological correctness (unbroken succession)
3) authority of the church leaders
4) widespread appropriation of the churches (Testimony of the Ancients)

The religion that came out of Rome did not have Jesus. They let a pagan false god worshipping king run the councils=Constantine, who refused to accept Jesus until on his death bed.
God made sure the bible has the books it is supposed to have.

 

[Clyde 154]

All the dead religions felt similarly about their own fabricated beliefs. If it comforts you, continue believing your stories. Just don't force your nonsense on the rest of us.

Yeah..........someone forced you to post. LMAO Just like most atheists you are not happy unless you are sticking your nose up someone else's keyster to sniff around.

 

[Meriweather]

The religion that came out of Rome did not have Jesus. They let a pagan false god worshipping king run the councils=Constantine, who refused to accept Jesus until on his death bed.

I understand you favor the religion that came out of Pittsburgh in the late nineteenth century through the auspices of one man.

In the fourth century, over 450 bishops from all over the Christian world, met in Rome to formalize Canon then in use all throughout the Christian world. I already listed the criteria they set forth. You prefer your founder's interpretation formed over 1500 years later. The Mormon Church had done the same thing several decades earlier, so clearly the 1800s were a time people took an interest in religion. Keep in mind, however, the majority remained with interpretations handed down by twelve Apostles, confirmed by over 450 bishops in the fourth century who were using those writings and those interpretation (and had been in use in their communities for over four hundred years).

Love of Christ and his teachings is, and has always been, the Christian foundation. Actually, Constantine embraced Jesus at the battle where he saw the cross. The reason he put off baptism was his great belief that one baptism resulted in the forgiveness of all sins. That was his understanding, and he wished to come face-to-face Jesus with all his sins washed away and forgiven.

kjw47, if your faith is drawing you closer to God, then all is well. However, your posts give the impression your faith simply makes you angry with people of other denominations--and what you look forward to is war and destruction, not Christ's peace.

 

[kjw47]

I understand you favor the religion that came out of Pittsburgh in the late nineteenth century through the auspices of one man.

In the fourth century, over 450 bishops from all over the Christian world, met in Rome to formalize Canon then in use all throughout the Christian world. I already listed the criteria they set forth. You prefer your founder's interpretation formed over 1500 years later. The Mormon Church had done the same thing several decades earlier, so clearly the 1800s were a time people took an interest in religion. Keep in mind, however, the majority remained with interpretations handed down by twelve Apostles, confirmed by over 450 bishops in the fourth century who were using those writings and those interpretation (and had been in use in their communities for over four hundred years).

Love of Christ and his teachings is, and has always been, the Christian foundation. Actually, Constantine embraced Jesus at the battle where he saw the cross. The reason he put off baptism was his great belief that one baptism resulted in the forgiveness of all sins. That was his understanding, and he wished to come face-to-face Jesus with all his sins washed away and forgiven.

kjw47, if your faith is drawing you closer to God, then all is well. However, your posts give the impression your faith simply makes you angry with people of other denominations--and what you look forward to is war and destruction, not Christ's peace.

Truth exposes false religion, not anger. I post 8 teachings from Jesus in every sight like this that shows who is who. Every trinitarian rejects them even though they are in every translation on earth. Why?

 

[hobelim]

Truth exposes false religion, not anger. I post 8 teachings from Jesus in every sight like this that shows who is who. Every trinitarian rejects them even though they are in every translation on earth. Why?

Virginia, some people make evil a deliberate choice.

 

[Meriweather]

Truth exposes false religion, not anger. I post 8 teachings from Jesus in every sight like this that shows who is who. Every trinitarian rejects them even though they are in every translation on earth. Why?

1. Jesus spoke of the Father
2. Jesus spoke of himself
3. Jesus spoke of the Holy Spirit

All united. Trinity. Not a word Jesus used, but a word that, in time, became the summary of what he spoke.

Unless you reject the three above points, you understand Trinity. And, it is nothing to launch a fight over. Peace.

 

[Leviticus]

Actually they added more books. But those who read them saw they were not in harmony with the 66 books. God used the wicked in the OT and the Romans to wipe out many of the apostocised Israelites. He surely can keep his bible in tact. The teachings of Jesus are the same. Its those teachings that expose 99% of all religions claiming to be christian as false ones. Few know what he actually teaches.

No, they rejecteseveral popular book, especialy those that didn't meet th religious and political views of the roman leadership.

Many churches broke off from rome as a result and refused to recognize their version of the bible. The Gnostic Church for example, had a completely different version. The Eastern Orthadox and Greek Churches have several different books that Rome rejected.

 

[Leviticus]

1. Jesus spoke of the Father
2. Jesus spoke of himself
3. Jesus spoke of the Holy Spirit

All united. Trinity. Not a word Jesus used, but a word that, in time, became the summary of what he spoke.

Unless you reject the three above points, you understand Trinity. And, it is nothing to launch a fight over. Peace.

We dont actually know what Jesus spoke of because the gospels were written over 100 years after his death. The writers had never met him.

 

[Meriweather]

We dont actually know what Jesus spoke of because the gospels were written over 100 years after his death. The writers had never met him.

The New Testament books were written less than a hundred years after his death. Most set his death in the mid 30s of the first century; the last books were written right around the year 100.

Second, back in the day when one spoke to crowds, disciples (like Jesus' apostles) would be within the crowd to repeat his words so those at a greater distance could also understand what he was saying. They knew Jesus' words and these words were repeated over and over, and then written down in the latter half of the first century.

We actually don't know when copies were first written--written copies have not survived. Scholars estimate the time written based on other recorded historical events of the time. Those estimates on the various books range from the early 50s (for example, James' letter) to the writings of John (around 100).

 

[kjw47]

Virginia, some people make evil a deliberate choice.

Who is Virginia?

 

[kjw47]

1. Jesus spoke of the Father
2. Jesus spoke of himself
3. Jesus spoke of the Holy Spirit

All united. Trinity. Not a word Jesus used, but a word that, in time, became the summary of what he spoke.

Unless you reject the three above points, you understand Trinity. And, it is nothing to launch a fight over. Peace.

Yes unified in doing the Fathers will.
Jesus gave everyone 2 warnings-- One is at John 15:20-21--- He said---That on account of his name( thinking they serve him) will do things against the true followers--Why-Because they do not know the one who sent him=Father( John 5:30)--At John 17:3--Jesus teaches--To get eternal life one must know the one who sent him( Father) and know Jesus. He calls the one who sent him THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
At John 4:22-24--another warning--He warns all about the god they are serving, then tells all the Fathers will--please read it. A true followers heart tells their mind to do just that 24/7--365.
Again at Matthew 7:21--Jesus assures--only those living now to do his Fathers will get to enter his kingdom( be saved)--- BELIEVE JESUS.

 

[kjw47]

No, they rejecteseveral popular book, especialy those that didn't meet th religious and political views of the roman leadership.

Many churches broke off from rome as a result and refused to recognize their version of the bible. The Gnostic Church for example, had a completely different version. The Eastern Orthadox and Greek Churches have several different books that Rome rejected.

The only translating that remained was catholicism translating when any body else translated. They did not fix the errors.

 

[Meriweather]

Yes unified in doing the Fathers will.
Jesus gave everyone 2 warnings-- One is at John 15:20-21--- He said---That on account of his name( thinking they serve him) will do things against the true followers--Why-Because they do not know the one who sent him=Father( John 5:30)--At John 17:3--Jesus teaches--To get eternal life one must know the one who sent him( Father) and know Jesus. He calls the one who sent him THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
At John 4:22-24--another warning--He warns all about the god they are serving, then tells all the Fathers will--please read it. A true followers heart tells their mind to do just that 24/7--365.
Again at Matthew 7:21--Jesus assures--only those living now to do his Fathers will get to enter his kingdom( be saved)--- BELIEVE JESUS.

It is never good to reshuffle what Jesus said so that it can be reinterpreted to suit another purpose. In doing so, one adds and subtracts from that which was originally set forth--something scripture warns is not good to do.

 

[kjw47]

It is never good to reshuffle what Jesus said so that it can be reinterpreted to suit another purpose. In doing so, one adds and subtracts from that which was originally set forth--something scripture warns is not good to do.

I guess you cant understand english.

 

[Batcat]

So they are two separate entities then? Which would make sense regarding prayer. I'm not sure. I'm not very religious.

I look at the Trinity like this.

It’s not a perfect comparison but it works for me.

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[Meriweather]

I guess you cant understand english.

Very well, as a matter of fact. Context matters, and it matters a lot. As do language, history, and culture. When you start with 1870 in Pittsburgh, much of that is left behind.

When we have joy in our faith, it draws us to God, we are in a good place. God meets us where we are and draws us ever closer. There is no need for anger with other denominations; no need to prove anything. We are all at different points on our journeys, and there is nothing wrong with that. God is in no hurry--He has time for all of us, no matter where we are. He knows our names.