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Normal human behavior.
Well then I guess I and other people who think it's stupid to be proud of skin color or what sex organs you were born with aren't "normal"
Correct.
It is normal and healthy to be proud of all kinds of things you have not control over. TO be proud of your nation, or your city, or your school, or your parents.
It is not normal and sick to NOT have such feelings, or worse to consider such feelings to be wrong.
No it's not.
Why be proud that you have blue eyes unless it's because you think you're better than people with brown eyes?
And you do realize that the fact that you were born on this particular patch of dirt doesn't make you any different from any other person born on a different patch of dirt?
It is not about the dirt. It is about the people who are part of your group. It is normal and healthy to be proud of the group you are a member of.
It is part of the social dynamics of a healthy group, that allows it to work together, for the good of it's members.
so what is the difference between your comment and playing identity politics?
Well then I guess I and other people who think it's stupid to be proud of skin color or what sex organs you were born with aren't "normal"
Correct.
It is normal and healthy to be proud of all kinds of things you have not control over. TO be proud of your nation, or your city, or your school, or your parents.
It is not normal and sick to NOT have such feelings, or worse to consider such feelings to be wrong.
No it's not.
Why be proud that you have blue eyes unless it's because you think you're better than people with brown eyes?
And you do realize that the fact that you were born on this particular patch of dirt doesn't make you any different from any other person born on a different patch of dirt?
It is not about the dirt. It is about the people who are part of your group. It is normal and healthy to be proud of the group you are a member of.
It is part of the social dynamics of a healthy group, that allows it to work together, for the good of it's members.
The failure of that, is a group becoming unhealthy, perhaps even dying.
So I should be proud of people not for what they have done but because they belong to some arbitrary group?
Basing your identity and self worth on arbitrary things is unhealthy and delusional
You already said that. And I addressed it.
What you did there, was the Logical Fallacy of Proof by Assertion.
My point stands.
It is not about the dirt. It is about the people who are part of your group. It is normal and healthy to be proud of the group you are a member of.
It is part of the social dynamics of a healthy group, that allows it to work together, for the good of it's members.
The failure of that, is a group becoming unhealthy, perhaps even dying.
Correct.
It is normal and healthy to be proud of all kinds of things you have not control over. TO be proud of your nation, or your city, or your school, or your parents.
It is not normal and sick to NOT have such feelings, or worse to consider such feelings to be wrong.
No it's not.
Why be proud that you have blue eyes unless it's because you think you're better than people with brown eyes?
And you do realize that the fact that you were born on this particular patch of dirt doesn't make you any different from any other person born on a different patch of dirt?
It is not about the dirt. It is about the people who are part of your group. It is normal and healthy to be proud of the group you are a member of.
It is part of the social dynamics of a healthy group, that allows it to work together, for the good of it's members.
The failure of that, is a group becoming unhealthy, perhaps even dying.
So I should be proud of people not for what they have done but because they belong to some arbitrary group?
Basing your identity and self worth on arbitrary things is unhealthy and delusional
You already said that. And I addressed it.
What you did there, was the Logical Fallacy of Proof by Assertion.
My point stands.
It is not about the dirt. It is about the people who are part of your group. It is normal and healthy to be proud of the group you are a member of.
It is part of the social dynamics of a healthy group, that allows it to work together, for the good of it's members.
The failure of that, is a group becoming unhealthy, perhaps even dying.
And none of that has to do with superficial things like skin color, eye color or sex organs.
No it's not.
Why be proud that you have blue eyes unless it's because you think you're better than people with brown eyes?
And you do realize that the fact that you were born on this particular patch of dirt doesn't make you any different from any other person born on a different patch of dirt?
It is not about the dirt. It is about the people who are part of your group. It is normal and healthy to be proud of the group you are a member of.
It is part of the social dynamics of a healthy group, that allows it to work together, for the good of it's members.
The failure of that, is a group becoming unhealthy, perhaps even dying.
So I should be proud of people not for what they have done but because they belong to some arbitrary group?
Basing your identity and self worth on arbitrary things is unhealthy and delusional
You already said that. And I addressed it.
What you did there, was the Logical Fallacy of Proof by Assertion.
My point stands.
It is not about the dirt. It is about the people who are part of your group. It is normal and healthy to be proud of the group you are a member of.
It is part of the social dynamics of a healthy group, that allows it to work together, for the good of it's members.
The failure of that, is a group becoming unhealthy, perhaps even dying.
And none of that has to do with superficial things like skin color, eye color or sex organs.
YOur point was that it is wrong to have pride in things you have no control over.
Now you want to change your position to, "in superficial things".
Your request to move the goal post is denied.
My point stands.
It is not about the dirt. It is about the people who are part of your group. It is normal and healthy to be proud of the group you are a member of.
It is part of the social dynamics of a healthy group, that allows it to work together, for the good of it's members.
The failure of that, is a group becoming unhealthy, perhaps even dying.
The real question is, why are you against healthy group dynamics for your fellow Americans?
It is not about the dirt. It is about the people who are part of your group. It is normal and healthy to be proud of the group you are a member of.
It is part of the social dynamics of a healthy group, that allows it to work together, for the good of it's members.
The failure of that, is a group becoming unhealthy, perhaps even dying.
So I should be proud of people not for what they have done but because they belong to some arbitrary group?
Basing your identity and self worth on arbitrary things is unhealthy and delusional
You already said that. And I addressed it.
What you did there, was the Logical Fallacy of Proof by Assertion.
My point stands.
It is not about the dirt. It is about the people who are part of your group. It is normal and healthy to be proud of the group you are a member of.
It is part of the social dynamics of a healthy group, that allows it to work together, for the good of it's members.
The failure of that, is a group becoming unhealthy, perhaps even dying.
And none of that has to do with superficial things like skin color, eye color or sex organs.
YOur point was that it is wrong to have pride in things you have no control over.
Now you want to change your position to, "in superficial things".
Your request to move the goal post is denied.
My point stands.
It is not about the dirt. It is about the people who are part of your group. It is normal and healthy to be proud of the group you are a member of.
It is part of the social dynamics of a healthy group, that allows it to work together, for the good of it's members.
The failure of that, is a group becoming unhealthy, perhaps even dying.
The real question is, why are you against healthy group dynamics for your fellow Americans?
Yes and if you belong to a group you have control over what that group does to some extent
Tell me are you going to be proud of being a White Supremacist simply because you have whit skin?
I for one do not belong to any groups.
I have no sense of pride regarding my skin or eye color and I really have no sense of pride about where I happened to be born.
I am an American by chance not by choice so why be proud of something random like that?
So I should be proud of people not for what they have done but because they belong to some arbitrary group?
Basing your identity and self worth on arbitrary things is unhealthy and delusional
You already said that. And I addressed it.
What you did there, was the Logical Fallacy of Proof by Assertion.
My point stands.
It is not about the dirt. It is about the people who are part of your group. It is normal and healthy to be proud of the group you are a member of.
It is part of the social dynamics of a healthy group, that allows it to work together, for the good of it's members.
The failure of that, is a group becoming unhealthy, perhaps even dying.
And none of that has to do with superficial things like skin color, eye color or sex organs.
YOur point was that it is wrong to have pride in things you have no control over.
Now you want to change your position to, "in superficial things".
Your request to move the goal post is denied.
My point stands.
It is not about the dirt. It is about the people who are part of your group. It is normal and healthy to be proud of the group you are a member of.
It is part of the social dynamics of a healthy group, that allows it to work together, for the good of it's members.
The failure of that, is a group becoming unhealthy, perhaps even dying.
The real question is, why are you against healthy group dynamics for your fellow Americans?
Yes and if you belong to a group you have control over what that group does to some extent
Tell me are you going to be proud of being a White Supremacist simply because you have whit skin?
I for one do not belong to any groups.
I have no sense of pride regarding my skin or eye color and I really have no sense of pride about where I happened to be born.
I am an American by chance not by choice so why be proud of something random like that?
White supremacists are not defined by white skin. The vast majority of white people are not white supremacists.
White supremacy is an ideology.
Funny you got that confused. Funny, like, it was racist of you.
ACTUAL racism. Just saying.
You are indeed part of numerous groups. Your denial is either dishonest or delusional.
Your lack of pride in being American, is very much a problem for America.
A group requires that it's members have a sense of loyalty and responsibility to the group and the other members, in order to function properly, or long term, survive.
That you and people like you, do not feel this feeling, and indeed, actively attack the idea of that feelings, is a process of the group becoming more and more unhealthy.
You already said that. And I addressed it.
What you did there, was the Logical Fallacy of Proof by Assertion.
My point stands.
It is not about the dirt. It is about the people who are part of your group. It is normal and healthy to be proud of the group you are a member of.
It is part of the social dynamics of a healthy group, that allows it to work together, for the good of it's members.
The failure of that, is a group becoming unhealthy, perhaps even dying.
And none of that has to do with superficial things like skin color, eye color or sex organs.
YOur point was that it is wrong to have pride in things you have no control over.
Now you want to change your position to, "in superficial things".
Your request to move the goal post is denied.
My point stands.
It is not about the dirt. It is about the people who are part of your group. It is normal and healthy to be proud of the group you are a member of.
It is part of the social dynamics of a healthy group, that allows it to work together, for the good of it's members.
The failure of that, is a group becoming unhealthy, perhaps even dying.
The real question is, why are you against healthy group dynamics for your fellow Americans?
Yes and if you belong to a group you have control over what that group does to some extent
Tell me are you going to be proud of being a White Supremacist simply because you have whit skin?
I for one do not belong to any groups.
I have no sense of pride regarding my skin or eye color and I really have no sense of pride about where I happened to be born.
I am an American by chance not by choice so why be proud of something random like that?
White supremacists are not defined by white skin. The vast majority of white people are not white supremacists.
White supremacy is an ideology.
Funny you got that confused. Funny, like, it was racist of you.
ACTUAL racism. Just saying.
You are indeed part of numerous groups. Your denial is either dishonest or delusional.
Your lack of pride in being American, is very much a problem for America.
A group requires that it's members have a sense of loyalty and responsibility to the group and the other members, in order to function properly, or long term, survive.
That you and people like you, do not feel this feeling, and indeed, actively attack the idea of that feelings, is a process of the group becoming more and more unhealthy.
Of course they are defined by white skin as you absolutely cannot be a white supremacist if you are not white.
And don't play the racist card with me. My mother was half Black.
And no I am not a member of any group as I have not joined any group. I do not agree with you that I am a member of a group by default or by some random occurrence.
The location of the accident of my birth is irrelevant.
And none of that has to do with superficial things like skin color, eye color or sex organs.
YOur point was that it is wrong to have pride in things you have no control over.
Now you want to change your position to, "in superficial things".
Your request to move the goal post is denied.
My point stands.
It is not about the dirt. It is about the people who are part of your group. It is normal and healthy to be proud of the group you are a member of.
It is part of the social dynamics of a healthy group, that allows it to work together, for the good of it's members.
The failure of that, is a group becoming unhealthy, perhaps even dying.
The real question is, why are you against healthy group dynamics for your fellow Americans?
Yes and if you belong to a group you have control over what that group does to some extent
Tell me are you going to be proud of being a White Supremacist simply because you have whit skin?
I for one do not belong to any groups.
I have no sense of pride regarding my skin or eye color and I really have no sense of pride about where I happened to be born.
I am an American by chance not by choice so why be proud of something random like that?
White supremacists are not defined by white skin. The vast majority of white people are not white supremacists.
White supremacy is an ideology.
Funny you got that confused. Funny, like, it was racist of you.
ACTUAL racism. Just saying.
You are indeed part of numerous groups. Your denial is either dishonest or delusional.
Your lack of pride in being American, is very much a problem for America.
A group requires that it's members have a sense of loyalty and responsibility to the group and the other members, in order to function properly, or long term, survive.
That you and people like you, do not feel this feeling, and indeed, actively attack the idea of that feelings, is a process of the group becoming more and more unhealthy.
Of course they are defined by white skin as you absolutely cannot be a white supremacist if you are not white.
And don't play the racist card with me. My mother was half Black.
And no I am not a member of any group as I have not joined any group. I do not agree with you that I am a member of a group by default or by some random occurrence.
The location of the accident of my birth is irrelevant.
1. The fact that the vast majority of white people are not White Supremacists proves by itself that White Supremacy is not defined by white skin.
2. YOur mother being half black, does not mean you cannot be racist. You said something racist. If you hold to it, and it is indicative of your overall belief system, then you are racist.
3. Have you renounced your citizenship?
You should be proud of what you accomplish. You should be neither proud nor ashamed of your DNA.If I'm proud to be a man, that makes me a misogynist.
If I'm proud to be white, that makes me a racist.
If I'm proud to be straight, that makes me a homophobe.
And even if I don't have pride in being a straight white man, I am privileged.
The classic no-win situation for me.
You should be proud of what you accomplish. You should be neither proud nor ashamed of your DNA.If I'm proud to be a man, that makes me a misogynist.
If I'm proud to be white, that makes me a racist.
If I'm proud to be straight, that makes me a homophobe.
And even if I don't have pride in being a straight white man, I am privileged.
The classic no-win situation for me.
I'll not disagree but say you should be proud of what you accomplish but not boastful.I'll disagree and say you should accomplish much but be humble not proud
And it certainly smacks of desperation and a lack of earned self-worth.Normal human behavior.
Well then I guess I and other people who think it's stupid to be proud of skin color or what sex organs you were born with aren't "normal"
Correct.
It is normal and healthy to be proud of all kinds of things you have not control over. TO be proud of your nation, or your city, or your school, or your parents.
It is not normal and sick to NOT have such feelings, or worse to consider such feelings to be wrong.
No it's not.
Why be proud that you have blue eyes unless it's because you think you're better than people with brown eyes?
And you do realize that the fact that you were born on this particular patch of dirt doesn't make you any different from any other person born on a different patch of dirt?
It is not about the dirt. It is about the people who are part of your group. It is normal and healthy to be proud of the group you are a member of.
It is part of the social dynamics of a healthy group, that allows it to work together, for the good of it's members.
The failure of that, is a group becoming unhealthy, perhaps even dying.
So I should be proud of people not for what they have done but because they belong to some arbitrary group?
Basing your identity and self worth on arbitrary things is unhealthy and delusional
You should be proud of what you accomplish. You should be neither proud nor ashamed of your DNA.If I'm proud to be a man, that makes me a misogynist.
If I'm proud to be white, that makes me a racist.
If I'm proud to be straight, that makes me a homophobe.
And even if I don't have pride in being a straight white man, I am privileged.
The classic no-win situation for me.
I'll disagree and say you should accomplish much but be humble not proud
I'll not disagree but say you should be proud of what you accomplish but not boastful.I'll disagree and say you should accomplish much but be humble not proud
YOur point was that it is wrong to have pride in things you have no control over.
Now you want to change your position to, "in superficial things".
Your request to move the goal post is denied.
My point stands.
It is not about the dirt. It is about the people who are part of your group. It is normal and healthy to be proud of the group you are a member of.
It is part of the social dynamics of a healthy group, that allows it to work together, for the good of it's members.
The failure of that, is a group becoming unhealthy, perhaps even dying.
The real question is, why are you against healthy group dynamics for your fellow Americans?
Yes and if you belong to a group you have control over what that group does to some extent
Tell me are you going to be proud of being a White Supremacist simply because you have whit skin?
I for one do not belong to any groups.
I have no sense of pride regarding my skin or eye color and I really have no sense of pride about where I happened to be born.
I am an American by chance not by choice so why be proud of something random like that?
White supremacists are not defined by white skin. The vast majority of white people are not white supremacists.
White supremacy is an ideology.
Funny you got that confused. Funny, like, it was racist of you.
ACTUAL racism. Just saying.
You are indeed part of numerous groups. Your denial is either dishonest or delusional.
Your lack of pride in being American, is very much a problem for America.
A group requires that it's members have a sense of loyalty and responsibility to the group and the other members, in order to function properly, or long term, survive.
That you and people like you, do not feel this feeling, and indeed, actively attack the idea of that feelings, is a process of the group becoming more and more unhealthy.
Of course they are defined by white skin as you absolutely cannot be a white supremacist if you are not white.
And don't play the racist card with me. My mother was half Black.
And no I am not a member of any group as I have not joined any group. I do not agree with you that I am a member of a group by default or by some random occurrence.
The location of the accident of my birth is irrelevant.
1. The fact that the vast majority of white people are not White Supremacists proves by itself that White Supremacy is not defined by white skin.
2. YOur mother being half black, does not mean you cannot be racist. You said something racist. If you hold to it, and it is indicative of your overall belief system, then you are racist.
3. Have you renounced your citizenship?
White skin is the number one requirement to be a white supremacist I never said it was the only requirement.
I never said ALL white people were white supremacists did I? No I did not.
And I didn't say anything racist I am merely trying to point out to you what happens when you take "pride" in things like skin color, eye color or what sex organs are between your legs.
Why should I renounce anything?
I see nothing wrong with not having pride in being an American citizen. I happen to be thankful I was born here and not any one of a million other places but that is not pride.
So instead of pride which I think is a negative trait I instead choose to be thankful that the random events that led to my birth put me here.
So, saying black lives matter is cool, but saying all lives matter is tearing down others, eh? Friggin snowflakes!But no one would accuse a gay, a non-white or a woman of "tearing down others."Who says you can’t be proud ? Be proud.
But when you are tearing down others, that’s not pride . That’s hatred .
You only say that to me because I'm a straight white man.
Well, you trying to tear down others probably has a lot to do with it.
And it certainly smacks of desperation and a lack of earned self-worth.Well then I guess I and other people who think it's stupid to be proud of skin color or what sex organs you were born with aren't "normal"
Correct.
It is normal and healthy to be proud of all kinds of things you have not control over. TO be proud of your nation, or your city, or your school, or your parents.
It is not normal and sick to NOT have such feelings, or worse to consider such feelings to be wrong.
No it's not.
Why be proud that you have blue eyes unless it's because you think you're better than people with brown eyes?
And you do realize that the fact that you were born on this particular patch of dirt doesn't make you any different from any other person born on a different patch of dirt?
It is not about the dirt. It is about the people who are part of your group. It is normal and healthy to be proud of the group you are a member of.
It is part of the social dynamics of a healthy group, that allows it to work together, for the good of it's members.
The failure of that, is a group becoming unhealthy, perhaps even dying.
So I should be proud of people not for what they have done but because they belong to some arbitrary group?
Basing your identity and self worth on arbitrary things is unhealthy and delusional
If I'm proud to be a man, that makes me a misogynist.
If I'm proud to be white, that makes me a racist.
If I'm proud to be straight, that makes me a homophobe.
And even if I don't have pride in being a straight white man, I am privileged.
The classic no-win situation for me.
And it certainly smacks of desperation and a lack of earned self-worth.Correct.
It is normal and healthy to be proud of all kinds of things you have not control over. TO be proud of your nation, or your city, or your school, or your parents.
It is not normal and sick to NOT have such feelings, or worse to consider such feelings to be wrong.
No it's not.
Why be proud that you have blue eyes unless it's because you think you're better than people with brown eyes?
And you do realize that the fact that you were born on this particular patch of dirt doesn't make you any different from any other person born on a different patch of dirt?
It is not about the dirt. It is about the people who are part of your group. It is normal and healthy to be proud of the group you are a member of.
It is part of the social dynamics of a healthy group, that allows it to work together, for the good of it's members.
The failure of that, is a group becoming unhealthy, perhaps even dying.
So I should be proud of people not for what they have done but because they belong to some arbitrary group?
Basing your identity and self worth on arbitrary things is unhealthy and delusional
And liberals wonder why we question their patriotism.
You should be proud of what you accomplish. You should be neither proud nor ashamed of your DNA.If I'm proud to be a man, that makes me a misogynist.
If I'm proud to be white, that makes me a racist.
If I'm proud to be straight, that makes me a homophobe.
And even if I don't have pride in being a straight white man, I am privileged.
The classic no-win situation for me.
I'll disagree and say you should accomplish much but be humble not proud
I'll not disagree but say you should be proud of what you accomplish but not boastful.I'll disagree and say you should accomplish much but be humble not proud
You know, I'm gonna go with AlanG on this one. And, interestingly enough, it's because of a definition of humility that a friend of mine told me many years ago......................
Humility - a realistic and honest appraisal of who and what I truly am, followed by a sincere attempt to become what I can.
By that definition, if you are good at something and someone asks you how well you can do that particular task, you should say that you are really good at it, because the person asking might need your expertise.
And, dragging your toe in the dirt, looking down and saying "aw shucks, I'm no better than your average person" is false humility, and that can be just as bad as boasting. Especially if you are looking for the other person to tell you how great you are after denying it.
