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Pope Leo XIV (elected 2026) has taken a strong, anti-war stance, sharply criticizing the U.S. administration and President Trump over military actions in Iran, labeling them "unjust" and "unacceptable". He condemned rhetoric threatening to destroy civilian infrastructure and urged global leaders to return to diplomatic negotiations.

Pope Leo 'May Never' Visit U.S. While Trump Is President, Vatican Official Says After Canceling His 2026 Trip: Report​

Vatican and U.S. officials told 'The Free Press' that the pontiff's January address to the diplomatic corps was seen as a direct attack on Trump's policies

Vatican officials who were briefed on the Pentagon meeting described it as a "bitter lecture warning that the United States has the military power to do whatever it wants — and that the Church had better take its side," reports The Free Press. The officials spoke to the outlet on the condition of anonymity.

"The pope may well never visit the United States under this administration."

A spokesperson for the Pentagon told PEOPLE in a statement that the meeting with Pierre was “respectful and reasonable.”


The Free Press’s characterization of the meeting is highly exaggerated and distorted,” the spokesperson told the outlet. “The meeting between Pentagon and Vatican officials was a respectful and reasonable discussion. We have nothing but the highest regard and welcome continued dialogue with the Holy See.”
Yes, I saw all of that and your un-named sources. I then went to other, official sources, who had no axes to grind. Personally, I get tired of those who feel their place in this world is to make someone else look bad. I am hoping one day the media will rise above being gossipy old hags.
 
Wait, you have no proof?

Then why do you beleive?
Predict the future for me, because prophecy is how you know that the one who inspired the Bible can see the end from the beginning.
Off the top of your head, tell me who will be the winner of the Kentucky Derby this year, or the Super Bowl. Tell me, 2000 years into the future, what the state of the world will be. What will Israel look like 2,000 years from now. What wars will we be fighting and with whom. Tell me about one of the weapons we have 2,000 years in advance.

1/4 of the Bible predicts the future. If you can't do it, and I can't do it, then who did do it?
 
Predict the future for me, because prophecy is how you know that the one who inspired the Bible can see the end from the beginning.
Off the top of your head, tell me who will be the winner of the Kentucky Derby this year, or the Super Bowl. Tell me, 2000 years into the future, what the state of the world will be. What will Israel look like 2,000 years from now. What wars will we be fighting and with whom. Tell me about one of the weapons we have 2,000 years in advance.

1/4 of the Bible predicts the future. If you can't do it, and I can't do it, then who did do it?
1/4 ain't much, especially when the life cycle of empires and centers of civilization in general has remained fundamentally the same throughout history and everyone knows it. It repeats and repeats, with slight differences, but with enough similarity that one can easily make it seem like prophecy. If you really understand that and accept it as true, it's not hard to predict how current civilizations and cultures will end up simply based what has already happened before. We are seeing the fall of Rome all over again except the names and faces and supporting roles are different. Civilization has a life cycle that has predictable algorithms. Thousands of years ago there were people who could design and build marvelous things. Those same people if they applied their intelligence accordingly, could also make predictions that would be right 1/4 of the time. It makes much more sense than the superstitious explanations some people have faith in.
 
1/4 ain't much
It is if man can't even predict one page of prophesy. Who will win the Kentucky Derby less than a month from now? Keep in mind that the punishment for you being wrong is death.
Civilization has indeed NOT stayed the same. The best of the weaponry 2,000 ago was the blade. Go from that to a visual of a weapon that sears the skin off the bone, disintegrates the eyes in their sockets and shrivels tongues before you hit the ground. < Who saw that coming, while holding their trusty sword?
 
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their intelligence accordingly, could also make predictions that would be right 1/4 of the time
No, no. You misunderstand. Right every single time or death. Every single time, not a quarter of the time. So many prophesies, that prophesy amounts to 1/4 of the pages in the book. That is 300 pages worth of successfully predicting the future.
Give me the horse. Just one prophesy, that's all I'm asking...
 
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It is if man can't even predict one page of prophesy. Who will win the Kentucky Derby less than a month from now? Keep in mind that the punishment for you being wrong is death.
Civilization has indeed NOT stayed the same. The best of the weaponry 2,000 ago was the sword. Go from that to a visual of a weapon that sears the skin off the bone, disintegrates the eyes in their sockets and shrivels tongues before you hit the ground. < who saw that coming?
Just a higher octave of the same fundamental thing in my opinion. I don't want to be eviscerated any more than I want to be evaporated.

The Kentucky Derby is not a cycle. The rise and fall of civilization is.

And again, 1/4 of the time ain't all that much.
 
No, no. You misunderstand. Right every single time or death. Every single time, not a quarter of the time. So many prophesies, that prophesy amounts to 1/4 of the pages in the book. That is 300 pages worth of successfully predicting the future.
Give me the horse. Just one prophesy, that's all I'm asking...
Whatever. I definitely see some valuable wisdom wrapped up in the Bible but I have never seen anything that jaw-droppingly profound to me.
 
Just a higher octave of the same fundamental thing in my opinion. I don't want to be eviscerated any more than I want to be evaporated.

The Kentucky Derby is not a cycle. The rise and fall of civilization is.

And again, 1/4 of the time ain't all that much.
Do you have a hard time reading? 100% of the time, not 1/4 of the time. Let me repeat that. 100% of the time, not 1/4 of the time. 300 pages of being right 100% of the time. You have made prophesy contingent on civilizations. The Bible does not limit prophesy to civilization status. Cyclical has nothing to do with it. Isaiah described the torture and sacrifice of the Messiah. Not the fall of Rome.
Your inability to tell me the winner of a race next month, confirms what I have been saying. You can't predict anything with certainty. Neither can I. The one that can see the end from the beginning filled 300 pages full, so you would know that no human did it.
 
1/4 ain't much, especially when the life cycle of empires and centers of civilization in general has remained fundamentally the same throughout history and everyone knows it. It repeats and repeats, with slight differences, but with enough similarity that one can easily make it seem like prophecy. If you really understand that and accept it as true, it's not hard to predict how current civilizations and cultures will end up simply based what has already happened before. We are seeing the fall of Rome all over again except the names and faces and supporting roles are different. Civilization has a life cycle that has predictable algorithms. Thousands of years ago there were people who could design and build marvelous things. Those same people if they applied their intelligence accordingly, could also make predictions that would be right 1/4 of the time. It makes much more sense than the superstitious explanations some people have faith in.
You and I may be on similar pages, perhaps the same page. In the Bible, end times is not the annihilation of the planet or the end of civilization on earth. End times being predicted long before the birth of Christ. The Book of Revelation is not about a future time but about first century times. In the Bible, 'end times' signifies the end of an age or an era. Such times were mentioned in Genesis, Deuteronomy, Isaiah. It is the passage of one time into another. In the not to distant past one set of time was the one Before Christ, and the time after Christ (now known as Current Era and Before Current Era).

In fact, before Christ, one of the prophets noted that yes, a time of peace would come, but it would pass--and so it would be until God, himself, took over ruling the Earth. In a homily years ago, a parish priest noted that the end of this world comes for all of us and God is indeed the ruler of our new 'Earth' or kingdom. When our (individual) end comes, some will be taken, some not (many are called but few are chosen). He made it clear he was not saying there would be no cataclysmic end to the planet and all living at the time. He was reminding us "end times" comes to all--and with it a new age will come upon us.
 
Do you have a hard time reading? 100% of the time, not 1/4 of the time. Let me repeat that. 100% of the time, not 1/4 of the time. 300 pages of being right 100% of the time. You have made prophesy contingent on civilizations. The Bible does not limit prophesy to civilization status. Cyclical has nothing to do with it. Isaiah described the torture and sacrifice of the Messiah. Not the fall of Rome.
Your inability to tell me the winner of a race next month, confirms what I have been saying. You can't predict anything with certainty. Neither can I. The one that can see the end from the beginning filled 300 pages full, so you would know that no human did it.
You can't prove that there ever was a messiah that was tortured it's just a story in a book. I never claimed that I can predict anything with certainty. I can't predict exactly how the civilization will fall they all fall differently. But they do all fall and with a similar pattern every time.
 
Whatever. I definitely see some valuable wisdom wrapped up in the Bible but I have never seen anything that jaw-droppingly profound to me.
Will your jaw drop when we watch 2 dead men left in the street, come back to life while we watch it happen in real time? Will that get your attention? Just remember who told us that in advance when we sit in front of our TVs. It will open your eyes...
 
Will your jaw drop when we watch 2 dead men left in the street, come back to life while we watch it happen in real time? Will that get your attention? Just remember who told us that in advance when we sit in front of our TVs. It will open your eyes...
Let me know. I won't hold my breath.
 
End times being predicted long before the birth of Christ. The Book of Revelation is not about a future time but about first century times
In that case, tell us who the two men are that are killed and rise 3and 1/2 days later. How did they in the 1st century nearly destroy all life on the planet with their swords? When was the sun blocked out? When did the earthquake that levels the Mt. of Olives where Christ returns take place? When was the final battle in the Valley of Jezreel? Was there really that much blood? And since we know Jesus stays the next time He shows up, where is He? How was His millennial reign?

None of that has happened yet...
 
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You can't prove that there ever was a messiah that was tortured it's just a story in a book. I never claimed that I can predict anything with certainty. I can't predict exactly how the civilization will fall they all fall differently. But they do all fall and with a similar pattern every time.
Maybe they do, but that still has nothing to do with prophecy.
 
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