Zone1 If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[frigidweirdo]

I see you have never read the Bible.

Do you intend to say anything constructive? Or are you just barging in on a conversation for shits and giggles?

 

[Meriweather]

Well, both that "faith" and "belief" in the interview are the same thing. You don't know, you just have a feeling.

The point is that they were quite different. I knew what the job entailed and that I would be good at doing it. That 'feeling' was based on knowledge. By that time I had experience in both being interviewed and doing interviews. There is a difference between having a purpose/goal for the interview and simply going through the motions. I picked up on this vibe even during the times I piqued their interest and had their full attention. Later I learned they already knew who was going to be hired, but protocol demanded they advertise and go through the interview process--a waste of time for everyone.

The point is that feelings are often based on knowledge and reasoning. For example, you must have reasons for your feeling that there is no God.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The point is that they were quite different. I knew what the job entailed and that I would be good at doing it. That 'feeling' was based on knowledge. By that time I had experience in both being interviewed and doing interviews. There is a difference between having a purpose/goal for the interview and simply going through the motions. I picked up on this vibe even during the times I piqued their interest and had their full attention. Later I learned they already knew who was going to be hired, but protocol demanded they advertise and go through the interview process--a waste of time for everyone.

The point is that feelings are often based on knowledge and reasoning. For example, you must have reasons for your feeling that there is no God.

So, one is confidence and the other was just an intuition?

Either way you went in there believing something would be true, that you could do the job and therefore the interview would go well. What you didn't know was how the company would react to that. You think "well, the companies I've worked for in the past thought this, therefore this company will also think like this" but maybe not.

Or maybe you didn't know what the other candidates would be like.

Either way, you had confidence based on what you know, but you didn't know what you didn't know (obviously).

Then maybe you picked up on some signals from the people doing the interview, and that then made you feel something.

Now, imagine you go to church. You like the people there, you have a "good feeling" and then you equated that with God sending you some kind of message, when all it was was you picking up signals from the people around you.

 

[Meriweather]

So, one is confidence and the other was just an intuition?

No. Neither.

Either way you went in there believing something would be true, that you could do the job and therefore the interview would go well. What you didn't know was how the company would react to that. You think "well, the companies I've worked for in the past thought this, therefore this company will also think like this" but maybe not.

I had no idea if the interview would go well. What I didn't expect was an interview that was going through the motions. Your assumption/conclusion that I didn't know how the company would react is wrong.

Or maybe you didn't know what the other candidates would be like.

Either way, you had confidence based on what you know, but you didn't know what you didn't know (obviously).

Then maybe you picked up on some signals from the people doing the interview, and that then made you feel something.

The reason for interviewing is to learn about what all candidates are like. But that's besides the point. When I saw the "Help Wanted" ad I was astonished because I knew there was already a woman who worked there who would be excellent in that position. The company would have been an idiot not to have first offered her the job before seeking outside help. I wondered what was going on in her life that she hadn't accepted. What I learned later, they had offered the job and she had accepted--but they were required to place an ad and go through the interview process anyway. As I said, some silly rule was simply a waste of time for everyone.

By the way: Note that I never said that I believed/had faith I would get the job. I had faith in myself and my own experiences that I qualified for the position. The fact I was asked in for an interview verifies that I was. The "going through the motions" interview vibe is why I had the belief they already knew who they would be hiring before they ever met me. That was not a "feeling" or an "intuition". It was reading the room.

Now, imagine you go to church. You like the people there, you have a "good feeling" and then you equated that with God sending you some kind of message, when all it was was you picking up signals from the people around you.

Don't be silly. Church isn't at all like that. Have you ever been? In high school I had an excellent Spanish teacher and I liked all my classmates--we worked well together under the tutelage of our teacher and learned Spanish. Under your theory, all of us would have begun to worship the Spanish language. Instead, we learned enough Spanish to dream in Spanish and to eavesdrop on those who spoke Spanish and did so without bothering to lower their voices.

I doubt anyone thinks a "good feeling" is a message from God. If you want a "good feeling", pet a puppy, or breathe in the smell of a fresh stalk of lavender or some other herb or flower. Listen to the laughter of children. Think about it. Jonah had a message from God. He had such a good feeling about this that he jumped on a boat going in the opposite direction. Moses protested; Jeremiah complained as well. Come to think of it...I'll bet there has least been a time or two (probably more) where we all have complained about going to church...but go anyway.

 

[Quantrill]

But the Bible is stories, not observations. Harry Potter has many real world observations in it. It has people, it has houses, cars, schools, all sorts of things. But you don't say it's real.

How do you know the premise of the authors of the Bible? You don't even know who they are.

Yes the Bible consists of true stories concerning the revelation of God.

The Author of the Bible is God, though He used human writers. That I don't know who all were, makes no difference.

How do I know? The Bible says so.

Quantrill

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yes the Bible consists of true stories concerning the revelation of God.

The Author of the Bible is God, though He used human writers. That I don't know who all were, makes no difference.

How do I know? The Bible says so.

Quantrill

So, if I use Harry Potter books to prove everything in the books happened is real, you'd accept that?

 

[Quantrill]

So, if I use Harry Potter books to prove everything in the books happened is real, you'd accept that?

No. But I believe the Bible.

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[frigidweirdo]

No. But I believe the Bible.

Quantrill

"believe" = accepting with knowing.

 

[Quantrill]

"believe" = accepting with knowing.

I believe and know the Bible is the Word of God.

Quantrill

 

[frigidweirdo]

I believe and know the Bible is the Word of God.

Quantrill

Sure you do. So I don't know why you bother talking to people like me about it.

You don't want to talk about anything other than what you "believe".

So, conversation over.

 

[Quantrill]

Sure you do. So I don't know why you bother talking to people like me about it.

You don't want to talk about anything other than what you "believe".

So, conversation over.

I don't know why you bother talking to people about their faith, and criticizing their faith, when you can't know anything about it save what you believe.

That's fine...though I've heard that before.

Quantrill

 

[TemplarKormac]

Not just the christian god, any god.

If they were real it would be self evident.

From a guy who spend decades as a preacher:

“Christians go in with their god as an assumption rather than a conclusion. When in fact, after close examination, the virgin birth falls apart, the resurrection falls apart, the basis of morality falls apart, the promise of afterlife fizzles into fear based marketing.”

“The gods of Islam, of Judaism, of Christianity only exist in scripture. If they actually existed, we wouldn’t need the books to claim they did. Once the book fails, the god goes with it.”



Feel free to explain why he is wrong or right.

If the law were real we wouldn't need a whole codex of them.

If that is the logic you're using, then it is incredulously flawed.

 

[NotYankee]

Thanks Crepitus for Your post & criticism. The word 'God" comes from the Babylonian idol of good luck. As for the "Scriptures" they have been much altered to the detriment of millions of people including the Roman persecution and torturous deaths of Christians, who had been conned into supposing that honoring the Roman King/Emperor was a sin.

One more thing, every race deserves to have their own Mighty Ones as they see fit; Except the Aryan tribes of Biblical Syrian Israel whose Mighty One told them what to do and not do, which they much refused to do.