Zone1 If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[frigidweirdo]

I see you have never read the Bible.

Do you intend to say anything constructive? Or are you just barging in on a conversation for shits and giggles?

 

[Meriweather]

Well, both that "faith" and "belief" in the interview are the same thing. You don't know, you just have a feeling.

The point is that they were quite different. I knew what the job entailed and that I would be good at doing it. That 'feeling' was based on knowledge. By that time I had experience in both being interviewed and doing interviews. There is a difference between having a purpose/goal for the interview and simply going through the motions. I picked up on this vibe even during the times I piqued their interest and had their full attention. Later I learned they already knew who was going to be hired, but protocol demanded they advertise and go through the interview process--a waste of time for everyone.

The point is that feelings are often based on knowledge and reasoning. For example, you must have reasons for your feeling that there is no God.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The point is that they were quite different. I knew what the job entailed and that I would be good at doing it. That 'feeling' was based on knowledge. By that time I had experience in both being interviewed and doing interviews. There is a difference between having a purpose/goal for the interview and simply going through the motions. I picked up on this vibe even during the times I piqued their interest and had their full attention. Later I learned they already knew who was going to be hired, but protocol demanded they advertise and go through the interview process--a waste of time for everyone.

The point is that feelings are often based on knowledge and reasoning. For example, you must have reasons for your feeling that there is no God.

So, one is confidence and the other was just an intuition?

Either way you went in there believing something would be true, that you could do the job and therefore the interview would go well. What you didn't know was how the company would react to that. You think "well, the companies I've worked for in the past thought this, therefore this company will also think like this" but maybe not.

Or maybe you didn't know what the other candidates would be like.

Either way, you had confidence based on what you know, but you didn't know what you didn't know (obviously).

Then maybe you picked up on some signals from the people doing the interview, and that then made you feel something.

Now, imagine you go to church. You like the people there, you have a "good feeling" and then you equated that with God sending you some kind of message, when all it was was you picking up signals from the people around you.

 

[Meriweather]

So, one is confidence and the other was just an intuition?

No. Neither.

Either way you went in there believing something would be true, that you could do the job and therefore the interview would go well. What you didn't know was how the company would react to that. You think "well, the companies I've worked for in the past thought this, therefore this company will also think like this" but maybe not.

I had no idea if the interview would go well. What I didn't expect was an interview that was going through the motions. Your assumption/conclusion that I didn't know how the company would react is wrong.

Or maybe you didn't know what the other candidates would be like.

Either way, you had confidence based on what you know, but you didn't know what you didn't know (obviously).

Then maybe you picked up on some signals from the people doing the interview, and that then made you feel something.

The reason for interviewing is to learn about what all candidates are like. But that's besides the point. When I saw the "Help Wanted" ad I was astonished because I knew there was already a woman who worked there who would be excellent in that position. The company would have been an idiot not to have first offered her the job before seeking outside help. I wondered what was going on in her life that she hadn't accepted. What I learned later, they had offered the job and she had accepted--but they were required to place an ad and go through the interview process anyway. As I said, some silly rule was simply a waste of time for everyone.

By the way: Note that I never said that I believed/had faith I would get the job. I had faith in myself and my own experiences that I qualified for the position. The fact I was asked in for an interview verifies that I was. The "going through the motions" interview vibe is why I had the belief they already knew who they would be hiring before they ever met me. That was not a "feeling" or an "intuition". It was reading the room.

Now, imagine you go to church. You like the people there, you have a "good feeling" and then you equated that with God sending you some kind of message, when all it was was you picking up signals from the people around you.

Don't be silly. Church isn't at all like that. Have you ever been? In high school I had an excellent Spanish teacher and I liked all my classmates--we worked well together under the tutelage of our teacher and learned Spanish. Under your theory, all of us would have begun to worship the Spanish language. Instead, we learned enough Spanish to dream in Spanish and to eavesdrop on those who spoke Spanish and did so without bothering to lower their voices.

I doubt anyone thinks a "good feeling" is a message from God. If you want a "good feeling", pet a puppy, or breathe in the smell of a fresh stalk of lavender or some other herb or flower. Listen to the laughter of children. Think about it. Jonah had a message from God. He had such a good feeling about this that he jumped on a boat going in the opposite direction. Moses protested; Jeremiah complained as well. Come to think of it...I'll bet there has least been a time or two (probably more) where we all have complained about going to church...but go anyway.

 

[Quantrill]

But the Bible is stories, not observations. Harry Potter has many real world observations in it. It has people, it has houses, cars, schools, all sorts of things. But you don't say it's real.

How do you know the premise of the authors of the Bible? You don't even know who they are.

Yes the Bible consists of true stories concerning the revelation of God.

The Author of the Bible is God, though He used human writers. That I don't know who all were, makes no difference.

How do I know? The Bible says so.

Quantrill

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yes the Bible consists of true stories concerning the revelation of God.

The Author of the Bible is God, though He used human writers. That I don't know who all were, makes no difference.

How do I know? The Bible says so.

Quantrill

So, if I use Harry Potter books to prove everything in the books happened is real, you'd accept that?

 

[Quantrill]

So, if I use Harry Potter books to prove everything in the books happened is real, you'd accept that?

No. But I believe the Bible.

Quantrill

 

[frigidweirdo]

No. But I believe the Bible.

Quantrill

"believe" = accepting with knowing.

 

[Quantrill]

"believe" = accepting with knowing.

I believe and know the Bible is the Word of God.

Quantrill

 

[frigidweirdo]

I believe and know the Bible is the Word of God.

Quantrill

Sure you do. So I don't know why you bother talking to people like me about it.

You don't want to talk about anything other than what you "believe".

So, conversation over.

 

[Quantrill]

Sure you do. So I don't know why you bother talking to people like me about it.

You don't want to talk about anything other than what you "believe".

So, conversation over.

I don't know why you bother talking to people about their faith, and criticizing their faith, when you can't know anything about it save what you believe.

That's fine...though I've heard that before.

Quantrill

 

[TemplarKormac]

Not just the christian god, any god.

If they were real it would be self evident.

From a guy who spend decades as a preacher:

“Christians go in with their god as an assumption rather than a conclusion. When in fact, after close examination, the virgin birth falls apart, the resurrection falls apart, the basis of morality falls apart, the promise of afterlife fizzles into fear based marketing.”

“The gods of Islam, of Judaism, of Christianity only exist in scripture. If they actually existed, we wouldn’t need the books to claim they did. Once the book fails, the god goes with it.”



Feel free to explain why he is wrong or right.

If the law were real we wouldn't need a whole codex of them.

If that is the logic you're using, then it is incredulously flawed.

 

[NotYankee]

Thanks Crepitus for Your post & criticism. The word 'God" comes from the Babylonian idol of good luck. As for the "Scriptures" they have been much altered to the detriment of millions of people including the Roman persecution and torturous deaths of Christians, who had been conned into supposing that honoring the Roman King/Emperor was a sin.

One more thing, every race deserves to have their own Mighty Ones as they see fit; Except the Aryan tribes of Biblical Syrian Israel whose Mighty One told them what to do and not do, which they much refused to do.

 

[sealybobo]

Not just the christian god, any god.

If they were real it would be self evident.

From a guy who spend decades as a preacher:

“Christians go in with their god as an assumption rather than a conclusion. When in fact, after close examination, the virgin birth falls apart, the resurrection falls apart, the basis of morality falls apart, the promise of afterlife fizzles into fear based marketing.”

“The gods of Islam, of Judaism, of Christianity only exist in scripture. If they actually existed, we wouldn’t need the books to claim they did. Once the book fails, the god goes with it.”



Feel free to explain why he is wrong or right.

My dad keeps going on and on about how there must be a god. It's "common sense" as he likes to say. I try to explain to him how it doesn't make scientific sense at all but he won't listen. There just MUST BE a creator. And then of course comes all the cherry picking from the bible. The things he likes he uses and the things he doesn't believe he admits are made made but ultimately, he believes. It's so stupid. So primitive. Superstitious. I get all the reasons why people believe but come on people.

I notice the story about God immediately starts out with on day one God did this. But no explanation as to how he got where he was? What was he doing before this? None of it makes any sense.

But okay so I told my dad FINE, there must be a higher power. A creator. But we don't know what that is right? You're just thanking whatever it is that created the universe that led to you being alive for 80 years. Right? RIGHT he says. So okay fine. But why does it bother you then that I'm not as convinced as you are? What harm is there saying you see no evidence of a creator?

I'm okay with people believing there must be a God. No problem with that. But don't tell me I'm going to go to hell for not believing that he visited 2000, 1000, 300 years ago. Not buying any of that.

And laws should be based on making this God happy. If you think it cares about people

1. Don't screw up the atmosphere or environment
2. Definitely don't kill or drop bombs on people needlessly
3. Be a good person. Karma is real
4. Don't lie. Although some lies are good for people. Like Religions. He didn't visit but it's important they think he did.
5. I don't think a God cares if you believed in him. If he did he'd visit more often.

Blackrook

 

[Carl in Michigan]

My dad keeps going on and on about how there must be a god. It's "common sense" as he likes to say. I try to explain to him how it doesn't make scientific sense at all but he won't listen. There just MUST BE a creator. And then of course comes all the cherry picking from the bible. The things he likes he uses and the things he doesn't believe he admits are made made but ultimately, he believes. It's so stupid. So primitive. Superstitious. I get all the reasons why people believe but come on people.

I notice the story about God immediately starts out with on day one God did this. But no explanation as to how he got where he was? What was he doing before this? None of it makes any sense.

But okay so I told my dad FINE, there must be a higher power. A creator. But we don't know what that is right? You're just thanking whatever it is that created the universe that led to you being alive for 80 years. Right? RIGHT he says. So okay fine. But why does it bother you then that I'm not as convinced as you are? What harm is there saying you see no evidence of a creator?

I'm okay with people believing there must be a God. No problem with that. But don't tell me I'm going to go to hell for not believing that he visited 2000, 1000, 300 years ago. Not buying any of that.

And laws should be based on making this God happy. If you think it cares about people

1. Don't screw up the atmosphere or environment
2. Definitely don't kill or drop bombs on people needlessly
3. Be a good person. Karma is real
4. Don't lie. Although some lies are good for people. Like Religions. He didn't visit but it's important they think he did.
5. I don't think a God cares if you believed in him. If he did he'd visit more often.

Blackrook

 

[Mashmont]

Not just the christian god, any god.

If they were real it would be self evident.

From a guy who spend decades as a preacher:

“Christians go in with their god as an assumption rather than a conclusion. When in fact, after close examination, the virgin birth falls apart, the resurrection falls apart, the basis of morality falls apart, the promise of afterlife fizzles into fear based marketing.”

“The gods of Islam, of Judaism, of Christianity only exist in scripture. If they actually existed, we wouldn’t need the books to claim they did. Once the book fails, the god goes with it.”



Feel free to explain why he is wrong or right.

If atheism were the right answer, then atheists would be the ones with their lives totally together. Good judgment goes across the board. Wisdom in the most important area means wisdom in all areas. Atheists would have the highest rate of marital success, the lowest rates, of alcoholism, drug abuse and depression, the lowest suicide rates, the highest SAT scores, the highest achievement, the best jobs, the most service to others in the world, the most in charitable contributions, the most scientific discoveries, the most inventions..........So why is it the opposite in all these areas??

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

If atheism were the right answer, then atheists would be the ones with their lives totally together. Good judgment goes across the board. Wisdom in the most important area means wisdom in all areas. Atheists would have the highest rate of marital success, the lowest rates, of alcoholism, drug abuse and depression, the lowest suicide rates, the highest SAT scores, the highest achievement, the best jobs, the most service to others in the world, the most in charitable contributions, the most scientific discoveries, the most inventions..........So why is it the opposite in all these areas??

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I've known a few atheists. Confused, unhappy people.

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[shockedcanadian]

I understand why people are Atheists.

I also understand why G-d as a true entity is more probable than improbable.

Even an Atheist cannot look around our own planet and not be in awe. Then if you see the universe you must ask "why is there ANYTHING"?

The best we have are recollections recorded through books. Once someone experiences something abnormal, psychic or what have you, they view the world differently.

As I have said, if there were ever even one case in which someone in healthy control of their faculties experienced the supernatural or a spirit per se, it would confirm the existence of something beyond what science as we know it today can explain, right?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Not just the christian god, any god.

If they were real it would be self evident.

From a guy who spend decades as a preacher:

“Christians go in with their god as an assumption rather than a conclusion. When in fact, after close examination, the virgin birth falls apart, the resurrection falls apart, the basis of morality falls apart, the promise of afterlife fizzles into fear based marketing.”

“The gods of Islam, of Judaism, of Christianity only exist in scripture. If they actually existed, we wouldn’t need the books to claim they did. Once the book fails, the god goes with it.”



Feel free to explain why he is wrong or right.

Gd told me to tell you that he’s very real and truly sorry he couldn’t make it any more obvious to you

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Gd told me to tell you that he’s very real and truly sorry he couldn’t make it any more obvious to you

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He makes it very obvious to me every time I draw a breath.

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