If Congress Dosen't Cooperate On The Wall

[jasonnfree]

When republicans hear about something being done illegally, they sure get out the pitchforks and march for justice. A child brought here from mexico as an infant, and now 19 years old, maybe got a job, taking college classes and paying on a car. USA the only country he's known. "Send him back on the first bus leaving", say the compassionate and god fearing republicans. "We do things legally in this country" they say. They don't seem to mind at all the illegal wars we've gotten ourselves into, creating wastelands in places like Iraq, with tens of thousands of deaths, and many orphans. Orphans. Like the war party gives a crap about orphans. Not enough space here to bring up reagan, bush, ollie north, bush #1, noriega, killing panamanian citizens, creating more orphans in central america, but hey, what part of illegal don't you republicans understand? Only congress can declare war. Demorats are no better when it comes to war, but at least they don't pretend to be god fearing and honorable like republicans do. A democrat might even give someone a break. Maybe some food stamps? Not a republican, ever, unless it's a corporation wanting a tax break or a war contract. Anyway, life is more complicated than the old Eisenhower days. I remember those days, even though I was a only about nine or ten at the time. Mexicans weren't as large a part of our economy as they are now.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Maybe the president should just unleash ICE and Border Patrol to enforce immigration laws on 100% of the people here illegally. That would include voiding DAPA and shipping out every illegal when they are identified, the so called good and the bad.

There are many issues when it comes to immigration that are near and dear to the regressives, so you best remember, cooperation is a two way street.

Chew on that possibility for a while.

Discuss.

already said that earlier today ...

ENFORCE THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS TO THE LETTER.

Yes, enforce the laws when the arresting agency has jurisdiction to do so. State and local LE does not have the authority to enforce immigration laws, thus, ICE and US Marshalls will need to work OT to round up all of the illegal immigrants, and build holding cells since the legality to detain is their's and their's alone.

For too long County Jails and State Prisons incarcerate those not legally in the US, and when arrested by local codes - penal, H&S, B&P, etc. - they are covered by the Bill of Rights. Thus the Governors and mayors should sue the Federal Government for the costs of the arrest, detention, and court hearings, including the cost of defense attorney's and probation officers.

Actually local authorities can be granted the authority by the feds to arrest and detain illegals. I'm sure all the locations have reimbursements in their agreements.


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You're wrong on both counts. Local LE must arrest when a warrant is discovered and may detain as a courtesy. I'm not sure if the warrant is based on immigration if they can arrest, they can detain, but only as a courtesy.

Why should local taxpayers subsidized the Federal Dept. of Justice?

Some do it voluntarily. This is the type of agreement Arpio was operating under.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is responsible for enforcing federal immigration laws as part of its homeland security mission. ICE works closely with federal, state and local law enforcement partners in this mission. The 287(g) program, one of ICE's top partnership initiatives, allows a state or local law enforcement entity to enter into a partnership with ICE, under a joint Memorandum of Agreement (MOA), in order to receive delegated authority for immigration enforcement within their jurisdictions.

Delegation of Immigration Authority Section 287(g) Immigration and Nationality Act


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I retired at the end of '05, and during my career we worked with (LOL) INS and rarely did they respond or return our phone calls when we had someone in custody with no green card. Thus, local jurisdiction paid for their processing through the court system - including their detention - and after conviction on probation, in county jail or in state prison. If not convicted they were released to the streets.

Bush&Co. made changes when they created ICE, and reduced their duties; how that impacted during the Bush and Obama Administration is not within my purview. I do know that Trump's new policy was not something Bush or Obama engaged, both were not in the business of breaking up families to earn political points!

 

[OKTexas]

Problem I see with premise presented by OP is the limited resources of the Border Patrol and Ice. You put somebody who was dragged along as a child when their parents came to the country illegally on same level as real criminals there will be a price to pay politically by this administration for going after the easy pickings.

The premise isn't flawed at all, the law draws no distinction. It was maobama that refused to comply with the Article 2 mandate, "he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed".

I know, fidelity to the law is a totally foreign concept to regressives, but constitutionally the president doesn't get to pick and chose which law to enforce or who he prosecutes under the law.


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[OKTexas]

already said that earlier today ...

ENFORCE THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS TO THE LETTER.

Yes, enforce the laws when the arresting agency has jurisdiction to do so. State and local LE does not have the authority to enforce immigration laws, thus, ICE and US Marshalls will need to work OT to round up all of the illegal immigrants, and build holding cells since the legality to detain is their's and their's alone.

For too long County Jails and State Prisons incarcerate those not legally in the US, and when arrested by local codes - penal, H&S, B&P, etc. - they are covered by the Bill of Rights. Thus the Governors and mayors should sue the Federal Government for the costs of the arrest, detention, and court hearings, including the cost of defense attorney's and probation officers.

Actually local authorities can be granted the authority by the feds to arrest and detain illegals. I'm sure all the locations have reimbursements in their agreements.


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You're wrong on both counts. Local LE must arrest when a warrant is discovered and may detain as a courtesy. I'm not sure if the warrant is based on immigration if they can arrest, they can detain, but only as a courtesy.

Why should local taxpayers subsidized the Federal Dept. of Justice?

Some do it voluntarily. This is the type of agreement Arpio was operating under.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is responsible for enforcing federal immigration laws as part of its homeland security mission. ICE works closely with federal, state and local law enforcement partners in this mission. The 287(g) program, one of ICE's top partnership initiatives, allows a state or local law enforcement entity to enter into a partnership with ICE, under a joint Memorandum of Agreement (MOA), in order to receive delegated authority for immigration enforcement within their jurisdictions.

Delegation of Immigration Authority Section 287(g) Immigration and Nationality Act


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I retired at the end of '05, and during my career we worked with (LOL) INS and rarely did they respond or return our phone calls when we had someone in custody with no green card. Thus, local jurisdiction paid for their processing through the court system - including their detention - and after conviction on probation, in county jail or in state prison. If not convicted they were released to the streets.

Bush&Co. made changes when they created ICE, and reduced their duties; how that impacted during the Bush and Obama Administration is not within my purview. I do know that Trump's new policy was not something Bush or Obama engaged, both were not in the business of breaking up families to earn political points!

You processed them on State charges, ICE is asking for 48 hours notice before they are released form State custody. But didn't you break up families when you sent them to jail or prison?


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[Rambunctious]

It's only suspect when you don't like the results. Americans do not see a need for a wall.

Rasmussen Poll Shows Voters Favor Mexican Border Wall By Slight Margin

 

[Rambunctious]

They will be gone due to Trump's policies...

Trump's policies got him elected, they will be gone if they don't wake up and tell the big donors to back off and get to work on passing something. Right now they are doing nothing.

 

[Rambunctious]

An example of a fake poll so the libs know what one looks like. Pollsters are human, they have political likes and dislikes. We can never allow this nation to be directed by untruthful polls.
Everyone knows the wall is still popular regardless of a few lying polls. Would any of you libs like to take a national vote on the wall? I sincerely doubt you would because you know it would get overwhelming support. Pew research is based in liberal land. They are bogus and their questions are dishonest.

Bogus New CNN Poll Asserts 84% of Trump Voters Support Amnesty

 

[ABikerSailor]

A lot of people forget that we the people voted for a wall 10 years ago. It was illegally stopped by the Obama administration. The money was approved but the swamp with backdoor payments did what they always do and sided with the big donors over the people. This is one of the reasons Trump won so it either gets done or the GOP will not look the same in 2018. Many old faces will be gone.

Got a link to back up your claims, both about the approval and funding, and that Obama illegally stopped the wall from being built?

I find it absolutely astounding that anyone believed that Trump would actually get Mexico to pay for the wall. Now? Trump is threatening to hold the government hostage until Congress approves taxpayer money to build it. Not only are the Trump voters getting screwed for the cost of the wall, but they are also going to get screwed if they work for the government or get any kind of government check.

The active duty military and the retired vets are gonna be pissed.......

What a drama queen, all mandatory payments have been made during every shutdown. Only furloughed workers will be temporarily affected.


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I was on active duty when the shutdown happened in the mid 90's. No, the military did NOT get paid during the time of the shutdown, they had to wait until the government opened back up to get their checks. Navy Relief was busy as hell during those three weeks giving loans to people who had to meet rent.

 

[Rambunctious]

I was on active duty when the shutdown happened in the mid 90's. No, the military did NOT get paid during the time of the shutdown, they had to wait until the government opened back up to get their checks. Navy Relief was busy as hell during those three weeks giving loans to people who had to meet rent.

I was also on active duty and we never missed a check. It was my understanding that the military and other national security entities were exempt from the shutdown.

 

[ABikerSailor]

I was on active duty when the shutdown happened in the mid 90's. No, the military did NOT get paid during the time of the shutdown, they had to wait until the government opened back up to get their checks. Navy Relief was busy as hell during those three weeks giving loans to people who had to meet rent.

I was also on active duty and we never missed a check. It was my understanding that the military and other national security entities were exempt from the shutdown.

The shutdown in the mid 90's made the Navy, and the rest of the military miss their mid month paycheck that is paid on the 15th. They had to wait until the government had opened back up before they were paid. Granted, they did get back pay for the pay period where they didn't get a check, but they still missed getting paid on time and had to go to Navy Relief to cover their bills that month. How do I know all this? Because I was a Personnelman who worked with payroll during that time.

 

[Rambunctious]

I was on active duty when the shutdown happened in the mid 90's. No, the military did NOT get paid during the time of the shutdown, they had to wait until the government opened back up to get their checks. Navy Relief was busy as hell during those three weeks giving loans to people who had to meet rent.

I was also on active duty and we never missed a check. It was my understanding that the military and other national security entities were exempt from the shutdown.

The shutdown in the mid 90's made the Navy, and the rest of the military miss their mid month paycheck that is paid on the 15th. They had to wait until the government had opened back up before they were paid. Granted, they did get back pay for the pay period where they didn't get a check, but they still missed getting paid on time and had to go to Navy Relief to cover their bills that month. How do I know all this? Because I was a Personnelman who worked with payroll during that time.

I was often on a cruise at that time but I got all of my checks on time. The Marine Corps finds a way.....improvise and over come...OOORAH!

 

[ABikerSailor]

I was on active duty when the shutdown happened in the mid 90's. No, the military did NOT get paid during the time of the shutdown, they had to wait until the government opened back up to get their checks. Navy Relief was busy as hell during those three weeks giving loans to people who had to meet rent.

I was also on active duty and we never missed a check. It was my understanding that the military and other national security entities were exempt from the shutdown.

The shutdown in the mid 90's made the Navy, and the rest of the military miss their mid month paycheck that is paid on the 15th. They had to wait until the government had opened back up before they were paid. Granted, they did get back pay for the pay period where they didn't get a check, but they still missed getting paid on time and had to go to Navy Relief to cover their bills that month. How do I know all this? Because I was a Personnelman who worked with payroll during that time.

I was often on a cruise at that time but I got all of my checks on time. The Marine Corps finds a way.....improvise and over come...OOORAH!

You DO realize that the Marine Corps is a division of the Navy don't you? When I was in, everyone got LES's (Leave and Earnings Statements), and if you were a Marine, your LES said Department of the Navy at the top.

And, if you were at sea during that time, you probably wouldn't have noticed much, because in the mid 90's it was hard to check your bank account from out in the middle of the ocean.

 

[Rambunctious]

You DO realize that the Marine Corps is a division of the Navy don't you?

Of course the Marines are the better half lol I really do not remember not getting a check. I remember thinking we might not but we got every one of them on time through the whole shut down.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You DO realize that the Marine Corps is a division of the Navy don't you?

Of course the Marines are the better half lol I really do not remember not getting a check. I remember thinking we might not but we got every one of them on time through the whole shut down.

No you didn't. If you were serving in the military during the shutdown in the mid 90's, you missed your 15th paycheck, but when the government reopened on the 24th of that month, they deposited your check. If you were deployed during that time you wouldn't have noticed because during that time, it was hard to check your bank account balance out at sea.

 

[Rambunctious]

No you didn't. If you were serving in the military during the shutdown in the mid 90's, you missed your 15th paycheck, but when the government reopened on the 24th of that month, they deposited your check. If you were deployed during that time you wouldn't have noticed because during that time, it was hard to check your bank account balance out at sea.

That is possible...Believe me...I spent money like a drunken sailor back then so I would have noticed if my check was even an hour late...lol

 

[ABikerSailor]

No you didn't. If you were serving in the military during the shutdown in the mid 90's, you missed your 15th paycheck, but when the government reopened on the 24th of that month, they deposited your check. If you were deployed during that time you wouldn't have noticed because during that time, it was hard to check your bank account balance out at sea.

That is possible...Believe me...I spent money like a drunken sailor back then so I would have noticed if my check was even an hour late...lol

Hey, hate to tell you but that is what happened. I was working at the PSD at the Naval War College in Newport RI when it happened. Had to refer lots of people to Navy Relief for a week because they missed their 15th paycheck, but then they got it on the 24th.

 

[beagle9]

Eisenhower's operation ******* shipped out about 3 million back in the 50's, we survived that, we can do it again and be better off for it.


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You seem to greatly exaggerate the number:
Our ruling

Trump said President Eisenhower "moved 1.5 million illegal immigrants out of this country."

Trump is referring to a 1954 campaign known as "Operation *******." While the idea that the operation resulted in more than 1 million deportations is not pulled out of thin air, historians widely cite that number as far too high for a variety of reasons -- including the fact that hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants would have had to self-deport.

Also, it wasn’t just a deportation program. The campaign accompanied more legal immigration opportunities.

We rate Trump’s claim Half True.

Trump: Eisenhower deported 1.5 million immigrants

Now how did we benefit?

I presume you don't know many carpenters, electricians, plumbers, etc...
Basically, people in construction who lost their homes and families under GW.
I know many.

Your personal experience means very little in a country of over 300 million. You have any real stats?

You're joking.
There are over 4 million foreclosures going on.
Get out of the house once in a while.
It's hard to believe that you didn't notice the change in personnel building houses before and during GW.
Ah! Liberals!

Is cato liberals?

The overriding impact of immigrants is to strengthen and enrich American culture, increase the total output of the economy, and raise the standard of living of American citizens. Immigrants are advantageous to the United States for several reasons: (1) Since they are willing to take a chance in a new land, they are self-selected on the basis on motivation, risk taking, work ethic, and other attributes beneficial to a nation. (2) They tend to come to the United States during their prime working years (the average age is 28), and they contribute to the workforce and make huge net contributions to old-age entitlement programs, primarily Social Security. (3) Immigrants tend to fill niches in the labor market where demand is highest relative to supply, complementing rather than directly competing with American workers. (4) Many immigrants arrive with extremely high skill levels, and virtually all, regardless of skill level, bring a strong desire to work. (5) Their children tend to reach high levels of achievement in American schools and in society at large.

Immigration

. It's got to be tremendously bad where these illegal immigrants are coming from, because for them to come here, and then to expose themselves to a liberal ideology is just tragic...It speaks volumes as to how bad they had it back home, I mean for them to want to come here within the years they have been coming in here for or for quite sometimes now is amazing. Speaks volumes about where they come from.

 

[OKTexas]

A lot of people forget that we the people voted for a wall 10 years ago. It was illegally stopped by the Obama administration. The money was approved but the swamp with backdoor payments did what they always do and sided with the big donors over the people. This is one of the reasons Trump won so it either gets done or the GOP will not look the same in 2018. Many old faces will be gone.

Got a link to back up your claims, both about the approval and funding, and that Obama illegally stopped the wall from being built?

I find it absolutely astounding that anyone believed that Trump would actually get Mexico to pay for the wall. Now? Trump is threatening to hold the government hostage until Congress approves taxpayer money to build it. Not only are the Trump voters getting screwed for the cost of the wall, but they are also going to get screwed if they work for the government or get any kind of government check.

The active duty military and the retired vets are gonna be pissed.......

What a drama queen, all mandatory payments have been made during every shutdown. Only furloughed workers will be temporarily affected.


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I was on active duty when the shutdown happened in the mid 90's. No, the military did NOT get paid during the time of the shutdown, they had to wait until the government opened back up to get their checks. Navy Relief was busy as hell during those three weeks giving loans to people who had to meet rent.

I was active duty 82-2000 on my last tour, I always got paid. Are you sure you're not misremembering?


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[ABikerSailor]

A lot of people forget that we the people voted for a wall 10 years ago. It was illegally stopped by the Obama administration. The money was approved but the swamp with backdoor payments did what they always do and sided with the big donors over the people. This is one of the reasons Trump won so it either gets done or the GOP will not look the same in 2018. Many old faces will be gone.

Got a link to back up your claims, both about the approval and funding, and that Obama illegally stopped the wall from being built?

I find it absolutely astounding that anyone believed that Trump would actually get Mexico to pay for the wall. Now? Trump is threatening to hold the government hostage until Congress approves taxpayer money to build it. Not only are the Trump voters getting screwed for the cost of the wall, but they are also going to get screwed if they work for the government or get any kind of government check.

The active duty military and the retired vets are gonna be pissed.......

What a drama queen, all mandatory payments have been made during every shutdown. Only furloughed workers will be temporarily affected.


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I was on active duty when the shutdown happened in the mid 90's. No, the military did NOT get paid during the time of the shutdown, they had to wait until the government opened back up to get their checks. Navy Relief was busy as hell during those three weeks giving loans to people who had to meet rent.

I was active duty 82-2000 on my last tour, I always got paid. Are you sure you're not misremembering?


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Nope, because during that time, all the civilians were sent home, which left the PSD at only about 45 percent manning. I also remember the civilians calling us on a daily basis to ask if we had heard anything about when they could come back.

Like I said, the military missed their check on the 15th, but they were paid on the 24th, when the government reopened.

 

[ABikerSailor]

A lot of people forget that we the people voted for a wall 10 years ago. It was illegally stopped by the Obama administration. The money was approved but the swamp with backdoor payments did what they always do and sided with the big donors over the people. This is one of the reasons Trump won so it either gets done or the GOP will not look the same in 2018. Many old faces will be gone.

Got a link to back up your claims, both about the approval and funding, and that Obama illegally stopped the wall from being built?

I find it absolutely astounding that anyone believed that Trump would actually get Mexico to pay for the wall. Now? Trump is threatening to hold the government hostage until Congress approves taxpayer money to build it. Not only are the Trump voters getting screwed for the cost of the wall, but they are also going to get screwed if they work for the government or get any kind of government check.

The active duty military and the retired vets are gonna be pissed.......

What a drama queen, all mandatory payments have been made during every shutdown. Only furloughed workers will be temporarily affected.


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I was on active duty when the shutdown happened in the mid 90's. No, the military did NOT get paid during the time of the shutdown, they had to wait until the government opened back up to get their checks. Navy Relief was busy as hell during those three weeks giving loans to people who had to meet rent.

I was active duty 82-2000 on my last tour, I always got paid. Are you sure you're not misremembering?


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Your last tour was from 82 to 2000? That is 18 years dude, I know that because my career was from 82 to 02, which is 20 years. By the way, you DO know that the longest period of time you can enlist for is only 6 years right? How the hell did you end up with a "last tour" of 18 years? My last tour was at Amarillo MEPS, and it was ony for two and a half years.

Are you sure you served? If so, why did you leave at 18 years, when you could have had a full retirement in just two more?