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If both parties worked for real Americans wouldn't issues such as immigration be easy to solve?

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But new data suggests that the government has not prioritized the prosecution of employers, whose jobs represent the biggest lure for those crossing the southern border to reach the United States.

“Not only are few employers prosecuted, fewer who are convicted receive sentences that amount to more than token punishment,”

Both the Obama and Bush administrations unveiled efforts to target employers as they goaded Congress to fix the broken immigration system. Yet prosecutions have rarely exceeded 15 in a single year, according to TRAC. They reached their highest point, 25, in the first year of the Obama administration; they reached 20 in 2005 when President George W. Bush was in the White House.


25, 20 compared to 11.

This administration’s focus has been on conducting worksite operations with an eye toward arresting and deporting workers and not necessarily prosecuting the employers,”
And you said we were not punishing employers. :popcorn:

We aren't. Even under the best scenario under Obama, 25 is nothing. There are thousands employing illegals. Mandatory e-verify would address a large percentage of this issue.

It's not even being discussed because neither party wants to address it.
 
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There are 2 routes to ending "illegal" immigration- think Prohibition- same damn thing

We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal and have certain unalineable rights endowed by their Creator, among these are, the right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness-

There are no caveats in that founding principle, which is also a life philosophy that very few "Americans" share, which proves the Public Education System is a sham-

First, end the restrictions (like was done for Prohibition), voila! no longer illegal!
Or, secondly,rely on FREE (unencumbered) Markets, not centrally controlled which restricts consumer and producer participation- FREE markets will solve ALL of our problems- of course then the political class would have to really think to find issues it could use as a tool to divide voters into 1 of 2 classes- tool or enemy-

The DOi / our founding documents are not international documents...they do not reach to the citizens of foreign nations and they certainly were not written for criminal trespassers from foreign nations.
Do you really think our framers intended to fuck over Americans and help foreign criminals?
 

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The DOi / our founding documents are not international documents...they do not reach to the citizens of foreign nations and they certainly were not written for criminal trespassers from foreign nations.
Do you really think our framers intended to fuck over Americans and help foreign criminals?
There are NO caveats in ALL men- no borders either in "pursuit"- like I said, our Public Education System is a total failure because it failed to pass on critical knowledge- like simple English-

I think the framers themselves were immigrants- how's that? And, they were here "illegally", according to your definition- foreign criminals is an interesting topic too- did you know there are so many fed laws they can't be counted? Did you know it's estimated that every adult breaks at least 3 a day? Did you know that a criminal action is harming another ot taking what doesn't belong to you? What does that make the US gov't you seem to side with? Let me answer for you and then you can tell me how wrong I am- it makes it "criminal"- it kills w/o discretion and takes what doesn't belong to it and uses what it takes for nefarious criminal activity- like the initiation of force, which is criminal and the ROOT of ALL conflict-
 
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The reason immigration is still an issue is because both parties work for business/wall street and they do not want the issue addressed. They want the low wages and the money being spent here.
And to flip the country to a socialist country by creating government dependents.

These 20 million illegals will have 80 million children who ARE American citizens and WILL be dependent on the Democrat Party

Blame Wall Street and those who work exclusively for them.

You often offer this OPINION and never offer any proof of what you assert. Should we just go on "because you say so"?
I say they come for the free shit and to work at cousin Gustavo's tire shop.....because I say so.

I've addressed this many times. There is very little in free anything here for them. Yes they come here to work. I've said that all along. He isn't working for a legal wage at the tire shop.
You've "addressed" it with nothing more than an unreasonable opinion...no facts, no substantiation.

Fact is if you went after those employing them then you would slow the Illegal Immigration but never stop it.

You need to dry up all resources from funding to jobs they can obtain, and then you will see the lowering of those coming here illegally.

Now tell me that I am wrong and show how you disagree with drying up all resources because it seem you are against going after small businesses that hire illegals!
You people can’t continue selling this sorry ass bullshit, NOBODY sane trusts your motives,
The fact is, on the issue of wetbacks, Mexicrats continue to advocate and legislate in favor of foreign criminals and against the American public, you LefTards pissed your pink panties when Trump ordered raids of businesses...REMEMBER?
It’s really no secret, no wetbacks = no Mexicrat Party, the Party Of Filth And Foreigners couldn’t win Mexifornia, AZ, NV, NM without them....ask yourself a simple question; why would Mexicrats want to end the very thing that keeps them relevant?
Look, while I believe ALL employers hiring wetbacks should hang in public, in the real world it always makes more sense to fight crime at its point of origin...no crime is committed until the wetback traverses our border...You and pknopp really need to save that “ITS THE EMPLOYERS” bullshit if you want to stay credible.
 
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The DOi / our founding documents are not international documents...they do not reach to the citizens of foreign nations and they certainly were not written for criminal trespassers from foreign nations.
Do you really think our framers intended to fuck over Americans and help foreign criminals?
There are NO caveats in ALL men- no borders either in "pursuit"- like I said, our Public Education System is a total failure because it failed to pass on critical knowledge- like simple English-

I think the framers themselves were immigrants- how's that? And, they were here "illegally", according to your definition- foreign criminals is an interesting topic too- did you know there are so many fed laws they can't be counted? Did you know it's estimated that every adult breaks at least 3 a day? Did you know that a criminal action is harming another ot taking what doesn't belong to you? What does that make the US gov't you seem to side with? Let me answer for you and then you can tell me how wrong I am- it makes it "criminal"- it kills w/o discretion and takes what doesn't belong to it and uses what it takes for nefarious criminal activity- like the initiation of force, which is criminal and the ROOT of ALL conflict-

A little critical thinking is required.
If I wrote a love letter to my wife and handed it to her would I need to add caveats within the verbiage so she knew the letter was written for her?
If I handed out a corporate rules and guidelines document to all my employees at my office would I need to add a caveat to the document such as.... “this document does not apply to Microsoft employees“ so people wouldn’t think it reaches out to Microsoft employees?
You have to think about the title.
”WE THE PEOPLE”
It doesn’t read...”WE THE PEOPLE OF MEXICO”
Our founding documents were written by Americans for Americans...if you feel otherwise you’re one fucked in the head UnAmerican piece of filthy shit.
 
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The DOi / our founding documents are not international documents...they do not reach to the citizens of foreign nations and they certainly were not written for criminal trespassers from foreign nations.
Do you really think our framers intended to fuck over Americans and help foreign criminals?
There are NO caveats in ALL men- no borders either in "pursuit"- like I said, our Public Education System is a total failure because it failed to pass on critical knowledge- like simple English-

I think the framers themselves were immigrants- how's that? And, they were here "illegally", according to your definition- foreign criminals is an interesting topic too- did you know there are so many fed laws they can't be counted? Did you know it's estimated that every adult breaks at least 3 a day? Did you know that a criminal action is harming another ot taking what doesn't belong to you? What does that make the US gov't you seem to side with? Let me answer for you and then you can tell me how wrong I am- it makes it "criminal"- it kills w/o discretion and takes what doesn't belong to it and uses what it takes for nefarious criminal activity- like the initiation of force, which is criminal and the ROOT of ALL conflict-

You should probably study the Declaration Of Independence, what it means and what sovereignty means to a nation.
There can be no sovereignty if there are no borders...third graders know this.
 

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if you feel otherwise you’re one fucked in the head UnAmerican piece of filthy shit.
Your opinion says a lot about you and nothing about me- and I don't care what you tell your wife- I care about ALL men being treated with respect, which obviously you don't
 

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The reason immigration is still an issue is because both parties work for business/wall street and they do not want the issue addressed. They want the low wages and the money being spent here.
The End.

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You should probably study the Declaration Of Independence, what it means and what sovereignty means to a nation.
There can be no sovereignty if there are no borders...third graders know this.
The US gov't doesn't recognize sovereignty unless it has a an agenda- 3rd graders are people like you who fear freedom and liberty and want a nanny to protect you-
 

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The reason immigration is still an issue is because both parties work for business/wall street and they do not want the issue addressed. They want the low wages and the money being spent here.
And to flip the country to a socialist country by creating government dependents.

These 20 million illegals will have 80 million children who ARE American citizens and WILL be dependent on the Democrat Party

Blame Wall Street and those who work exclusively for them.

You often offer this OPINION and never offer any proof of what you assert. Should we just go on "because you say so"?
I say they come for the free shit and to work at cousin Gustavo's tire shop.....because I say so.

I've addressed this many times. There is very little in free anything here for them. Yes they come here to work. I've said that all along. He isn't working for a legal wage at the tire shop.
You've "addressed" it with nothing more than an unreasonable opinion...no facts, no substantiation.
How many CEO's have been arrested for hiring illegals....

Let's start with these mega food processing plants where 800 illegals were rounded up at one time and not a single CEO went to prison
 

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Working together is not even being considered, Why? Could it be that each side would have to admit that there are members of each party that have the brains experience knowledge & talent to do a good job? political party over what's best for America? Is There is no one willing to meet on middle ground ?
 
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Working together is not even being considered, Why? Could it be that each side would have to admit that there are members of each party that have the brains experience knowledge & talent to do a good job? political party over what's best for America? Is There is no one willing to meet on middle ground ?
The Mexicrat Party has positioned itself as America’s greatest threat, our enemy number one.
Good people should NEVER make deals or work with bad people.
 
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The reason immigration is still an issue is because both parties work for business/wall street and they do not want the issue addressed. They want the low wages and the money being spent here.
And to flip the country to a socialist country by creating government dependents.

These 20 million illegals will have 80 million children who ARE American citizens and WILL be dependent on the Democrat Party

Blame Wall Street and those who work exclusively for them.

You often offer this OPINION and never offer any proof of what you assert. Should we just go on "because you say so"?
I say they come for the free shit and to work at cousin Gustavo's tire shop.....because I say so.

I've addressed this many times. There is very little in free anything here for them. Yes they come here to work. I've said that all along. He isn't working for a legal wage at the tire shop.
You've "addressed" it with nothing more than an unreasonable opinion...no facts, no substantiation.
How many CEO's have been arrested for hiring illegals....

Let's start with these mega food processing plants where 800 illegals were rounded up at one time and not a single CEO went to prison

I assume there is some sort of bullshit legislation in place that shields piece of shit employers from prosecution in such cases...I also assume Mexicrats advocated for such legislation.
 
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You should probably study the Declaration Of Independence, what it means and what sovereignty means to a nation.
There can be no sovereignty if there are no borders...third graders know this.
The US gov't doesn't recognize sovereignty unless it has a an agenda- 3rd graders are people like you who fear freedom and liberty and want a nanny to protect you-

You hippy stoners are just plain weird...your support for foreign trespassers in the name of “freedom and liberty” is straight-up twilight zone shit...It’s actually quite sad that this nation has so many of you America haters in it these days.
 

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The reason immigration is still an issue is because both parties work for business/wall street and they do not want the issue addressed. They want the low wages and the money being spent here.
And to flip the country to a socialist country by creating government dependents.

These 20 million illegals will have 80 million children who ARE American citizens and WILL be dependent on the Democrat Party

Blame Wall Street and those who work exclusively for them.

You often offer this OPINION and never offer any proof of what you assert. Should we just go on "because you say so"?
I say they come for the free shit and to work at cousin Gustavo's tire shop.....because I say so.

I've addressed this many times. There is very little in free anything here for them. Yes they come here to work. I've said that all along. He isn't working for a legal wage at the tire shop.
You've "addressed" it with nothing more than an unreasonable opinion...no facts, no substantiation.
How many CEO's have been arrested for hiring illegals....

Let's start with these mega food processing plants where 800 illegals were rounded up at one time and not a single CEO went to prison

I assume there is some sort of bullshit legislation in place that shields piece of shit employers from prosecution in such cases...I also assume Mexicrats advocated for such legislation.
Doubt it...

Here is what I recently found out about it....

"Since criminal penalties against employers for hiring undocumented workers were enacted in 1986, the number of prosecutions have rarely surpassed 15 per year, according to an analysis by Syracuse University.

Studies show that criminal prosecutions against employer representatives for hiring undocumented workers have never exceeded 20 per year, except during 2005 under George W. Bush and in 2009 under Barack Obama. The numbers have held steady under President Donald Trump, even as almost every other enforcement measure has surged."



I think the short answer is yes, you can put these folks in jail....the point is however, the people most vocal about wanting to see brown people thrown in cages don't keep that same energy for employers.....maybe because those employers may end up being their boss, neighbor, friend or them
 

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The reason immigration is still an issue is because both parties work for business/wall street and they do not want the issue addressed. They want the low wages and the money being spent here.
And to flip the country to a socialist country by creating government dependents.

These 20 million illegals will have 80 million children who ARE American citizens and WILL be dependent on the Democrat Party

Blame Wall Street and those who work exclusively for them.

You often offer this OPINION and never offer any proof of what you assert. Should we just go on "because you say so"?
I say they come for the free shit and to work at cousin Gustavo's tire shop.....because I say so.

I've addressed this many times. There is very little in free anything here for them. Yes they come here to work. I've said that all along. He isn't working for a legal wage at the tire shop.
You've "addressed" it with nothing more than an unreasonable opinion...no facts, no substantiation.
How many CEO's have been arrested for hiring illegals....

Let's start with these mega food processing plants where 800 illegals were rounded up at one time and not a single CEO went to prison

I assume there is some sort of bullshit legislation in place that shields piece of shit employers from prosecution in such cases...I also assume Mexicrats advocated for such legislation.
Doubt it...

Here is what I recently found out about it....

"Since criminal penalties against employers for hiring undocumented workers were enacted in 1986, the number of prosecutions have rarely surpassed 15 per year, according to an analysis by Syracuse University.

Studies show that criminal prosecutions against employer representatives for hiring undocumented workers have never exceeded 20 per year, except during 2005 under George W. Bush and in 2009 under Barack Obama. The numbers have held steady under President Donald Trump, even as almost every other enforcement measure has surged."



I think the short answer is yes, you can put these folks in jail....the point is however, the people most vocal about wanting to see brown people thrown in cages don't keep that same energy for employers.....maybe because those employers may end up being their boss, neighbor, friend or them

Or campaign donors.
 

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You hippy stoners are just plain weird...your support for foreign trespassers in the name of “freedom and liberty” is straight-up twilight zone shit...It’s actually quite sad that this nation has so many of you America haters in it these days.
I don't do anything but coffee- stop projecting, stupid. You're the hater, bozo- I LOVE the concept of the founding principle - I detest Manifest Destiny bullshit and people who pay lip service to liberty and justice for all- like you do.
 
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You hippy stoners are just plain weird...your support for foreign trespassers in the name of “freedom and liberty” is straight-up twilight zone shit...It’s actually quite sad that this nation has so many of you America haters in it these days.
I don't do anything but coffee- stop projecting, stupid. You're the hater, bozo- I LOVE the concept of the founding principle - I detest Manifest Destiny bullshit and people who pay lip service to liberty and justice for all- like you do.

Your ideologies aren’t that far off...you’re just a bit confused in thinking our framers intended to fuck us over....you just have to accept that America and Mexico are two different countries with two different citizenry’s that’s all.
 

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Your ideologies aren’t that far off...you’re just a bit confused in thinking our framers intended to fuck us over....you just have to accept that America and Mexico are two different countries with two different citizenry’s that’s all.
While you refuse that all men are created equal with certain unalienable rights? I'll pass- I don't have to do one damn thing I don't want to do-

Your intentional misinterpretation speaks volumes about your education- it's called PPE-
 

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