If Az is shown to have cheated...then what?

[Decus]

You know you are right so there is no harm in letting them do the audit.

Unfortunately, that is 100% wrong in a society infected with the disease of post-truth Trumpism. There is plenty of harm to be done with this dog and pony show.

The only harm will be proving fraud happened. That will not harm me.

Democrats will come away as huge winners if they can show that the final results of the audit were rigged. I really can't see any downside for Democrats in proving the audit results are fraudulent.

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[Dragonlady]

I don’t know but a nation that can’t hold a fair and transparent election, is a failed nation.

Except we held a fair and transparent election...

The craziness is we are still using the "Bad idea because they wanted to get home and rape their slaves" method of picking a president, instead of just having a direct election like any sensible nation would do.

To note......as crazy as it was 2016 was a fair election also.

That’s the thing with partisans, they can’t think rationally.

1. Prove that partisans don't think rationally, you can't
2. Partisans are active in the policies being voted on, as opposed to low-information voters, or non-voters
3. The old saying, "everyone votes their own pocketbook" is generally true

That’s too easy. Partisans of the two gangs think their gang is better, when clearly there is little difference between them. But like I stated, you must be able to think rationally and partisans can’t.

There are major differences between the two political parties, Leftists vs Conservatives.
If you think that the following policy differences don't matter, you aren't thinking.
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
In-sourcing jobs vs outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.

That’s propaganda designed to deceive you and it’s working.

If you can't see the major differences between the two parties you're either lying, or stupid.
Why are you on this forum when all you say is "both parties suck"?
We're supposed to debate ideas, i.e. real "content". Your posts have no content, maybe you should try the "flame zone"?

Both parties sucking is an idea.

Both parties suck is a simplistic "opinion". Debating ideas is about why each party sucks, and which one sucks more.

In a post which uses the word "suck", three times. Some debate.

One side is debating programs, principles, and an agenda. The other side is claiming the election was stolen, and Donald Trump is the greatest president in history.

One side doesn't suck, but Democrats are very tired of trying to keep the country running while Republicans keep crashing the economy to impoverish working people and benefit their corporate donors.

Starting useless wars sucks. (Syria, Yemen, Libya).

Continuing useless wars (Iraq, Afghanistan) sucks.

And both parties love war, but their supporters apparently can’t see the obvious.

Name the last war a Democrat started, Gipper.

Syria.

The US did not start any war in Syria. The Syrian Government was attacked by rebels having NOTHING to do with the USA.

Obama wanted to go in and stop Assad from gassing and murdering his own people, the Republican House and Senate said "No". Obama respected the wishes of Congress and provided only air support and training assistance.

This is a complete departure from Republicans, like Nixon or the Reagan Administrations who both were told "No" by Congress, and who both undertook clandestine operations in defiance such Congressional refusal in Cambodia and the Middle East, respectively.

 

[Dragonlady]

You know you are right so there is no harm in letting them do the audit.

Unfortunately, that is 100% wrong in a society infected with the disease of post-truth Trumpism. There is plenty of harm to be done with this dog and pony show.

The only harm will be proving fraud happened. That will not harm me.

The harm is in the implication that the results aren't fair, and that the election can be rigged. Why bother to vote if the outcome is predetermined.

When nations lose faith that their elections are fair, they are ripe for take-over by anti-democratic forces, and right now, the Republican Party is utterly and completely opposed to the concept of free and fair elections.

 

[Decus]

I don’t know but a nation that can’t hold a fair and transparent election, is a failed nation.

Except we held a fair and transparent election...

The craziness is we are still using the "Bad idea because they wanted to get home and rape their slaves" method of picking a president, instead of just having a direct election like any sensible nation would do.

To note......as crazy as it was 2016 was a fair election also.

That’s the thing with partisans, they can’t think rationally.

1. Prove that partisans don't think rationally, you can't
2. Partisans are active in the policies being voted on, as opposed to low-information voters, or non-voters
3. The old saying, "everyone votes their own pocketbook" is generally true

That’s too easy. Partisans of the two gangs think their gang is better, when clearly there is little difference between them. But like I stated, you must be able to think rationally and partisans can’t.

There are major differences between the two political parties, Leftists vs Conservatives.
If you think that the following policy differences don't matter, you aren't thinking.
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
In-sourcing jobs vs outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.

That’s propaganda designed to deceive you and it’s working.

If you can't see the major differences between the two parties you're either lying, or stupid.
Why are you on this forum when all you say is "both parties suck"?
We're supposed to debate ideas, i.e. real "content". Your posts have no content, maybe you should try the "flame zone"?

Both parties sucking is an idea.

Both parties suck is a simplistic "opinion". Debating ideas is about why each party sucks, and which one sucks more.

In a post which uses the word "suck", three times. Some debate.

One side is debating programs, principles, and an agenda. The other side is claiming the election was stolen, and Donald Trump is the greatest president in history.

One side doesn't suck, but Democrats are very tired of trying to keep the country running while Republicans keep crashing the economy to impoverish working people and benefit their corporate donors.

Starting useless wars sucks. (Syria, Yemen, Libya).

Continuing useless wars (Iraq, Afghanistan) sucks.

And both parties love war, but their supporters apparently can’t see the obvious.

Name the last war a Democrat started, Gipper.

Syria.

The US did not start any war in Syria. The Syrian Government was attacked by rebels having NOTHING to do with the USA.

Obama wanted to go in and stop Assad from gassing and murdering his own people, the Republican House and Senate said "No". Obama respected the wishes of Congress and provided only air support and training assistance.

This is a complete departure from Republicans, like Nixon or the Reagan Administrations who both were told "No" by Congress, and who both undertook clandestine operations in defiance such Congressional refusal in Cambodia and the Middle East, respectively.

It was an Obama follow-up to the Libya fiasco.

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[konradv]

Will MI follow suit? And if that is proven as a cheat, what happens? Does Sleepy Joe get to keep on in the WH? Or if proven Trump DID win...does he get brought back as potus?

It would be a huge embarrassment for the courts and the challenges to any decision would be endless and probably last well into the next election so I doubt Biden would be removed. The biggest advantage would be a push to reform our elections and perhaps a drive for term limits on all politicians , as well as a requirement for real transparency and accountability of our politicians.

Nobody gives any credence to these Qunatic audits. They'll change nothing except for further embarrassing Trump's supporters.

It has already prompted action and continued debate as to how best to verify voter identity and eligibility. A very positive result even if further audits are blocked.

We have been having that conversation since last spring. We don't need a bunch of incompetent fraud cultists putting on a dog-and-pony show in order to have this conversation.

So let them do the audit and you can show the world that their results are falsified. Truth welcomes transparency. Support the audit.

The audit has already been proven to be a fraud. Trump declares that a database has been wiped, while the local REPUBLICAN responsible for running elections is looking at the database that supposedly has been erased! Check and mate. Trump let it out of the bag. They're willing to tell any lie in the hope that something will stick. Sling mud and you'll get a lot on yourself, Dirty Don.

 

[Decus]

You know you are right so there is no harm in letting them do the audit.

Unfortunately, that is 100% wrong in a society infected with the disease of post-truth Trumpism. There is plenty of harm to be done with this dog and pony show.

The only harm will be proving fraud happened. That will not harm me.

The harm is in the implication that the results aren't fair, and that the election can be rigged. Why bother to vote if the outcome is predetermined.

When nations lose faith that their elections are fair, they are ripe for take-over by anti-democratic forces, and right now, the Republican Party is utterly and completely opposed to the concept of free and fair elections.

Depending on what poll you look at half the population or more already believe that there was election fraud. The audit could dispel that belief. A falsified audit would be easy to demonstrate.

.

 

[Lastamender]

You know you are right so there is no harm in letting them do the audit.

Unfortunately, that is 100% wrong in a society infected with the disease of post-truth Trumpism. There is plenty of harm to be done with this dog and pony show.

The only harm will be proving fraud happened. That will not harm me.

The harm is in the implication that the results aren't fair, and that the election can be rigged. Why bother to vote if the outcome is predetermined.

When nations lose faith that their elections are fair, they are ripe for take-over by anti-democratic forces, and right now, the Republican Party is utterly and completely opposed to the concept of free and fair elections.

The harm is not proving fraud did or did not happen. No one is going to be satisfied until either is PROVEN. Dominion has the power to do that by releasing those passwords. Why don't they?

Chances are they will have to because the citizens are entitled to COMPLETE transparency. Dershowitz thinks the same. He will be with Lindell asking for them soon.

 

[Lastamender]

Will MI follow suit? And if that is proven as a cheat, what happens? Does Sleepy Joe get to keep on in the WH? Or if proven Trump DID win...does he get brought back as potus?

It would be a huge embarrassment for the courts and the challenges to any decision would be endless and probably last well into the next election so I doubt Biden would be removed. The biggest advantage would be a push to reform our elections and perhaps a drive for term limits on all politicians , as well as a requirement for real transparency and accountability of our politicians.

Nobody gives any credence to these Qunatic audits. They'll change nothing except for further embarrassing Trump's supporters.

It has already prompted action and continued debate as to how best to verify voter identity and eligibility. A very positive result even if further audits are blocked.

We have been having that conversation since last spring. We don't need a bunch of incompetent fraud cultists putting on a dog-and-pony show in order to have this conversation.

So let them do the audit and you can show the world that their results are falsified. Truth welcomes transparency. Support the audit.

The audit has already been proven to be a fraud. Trump declares that a database has been wiped, while the local REPUBLICAN responsible for running elections is looking at the database that supposedly has been erased! Check and mate. Trump let it out of the bag. They're willing to tell any lie in the hope that something will stick. Sling mud and you'll get a lot on yourself, Dirty Don.

How has the audit been proven to be a fraud?

 

[Decus]

Will MI follow suit? And if that is proven as a cheat, what happens? Does Sleepy Joe get to keep on in the WH? Or if proven Trump DID win...does he get brought back as potus?

It would be a huge embarrassment for the courts and the challenges to any decision would be endless and probably last well into the next election so I doubt Biden would be removed. The biggest advantage would be a push to reform our elections and perhaps a drive for term limits on all politicians , as well as a requirement for real transparency and accountability of our politicians.

Nobody gives any credence to these Qunatic audits. They'll change nothing except for further embarrassing Trump's supporters.

It has already prompted action and continued debate as to how best to verify voter identity and eligibility. A very positive result even if further audits are blocked.

We have been having that conversation since last spring. We don't need a bunch of incompetent fraud cultists putting on a dog-and-pony show in order to have this conversation.

So let them do the audit and you can show the world that their results are falsified. Truth welcomes transparency. Support the audit.

The audit has already been proven to be a fraud. Trump declares that a database has been wiped, while the local REPUBLICAN responsible for running elections is looking at the database that supposedly has been erased! Check and mate. Trump let it out of the bag. They're willing to tell any lie in the hope that something will stick. Sling mud and you'll get a lot on yourself, Dirty Don.

Don is not part of the audit and I really don't care what he says. I am curious to see the final result of the audit and if it will embarrass the auditors.

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[Fort Fun Indiana]

You know you are right so there is no harm in letting them do the audit.

Unfortunately, that is 100% wrong in a society infected with the disease of post-truth Trumpism. There is plenty of harm to be done with this dog and pony show.

What harm?? Truth is on your side.

.

Can't think of a thing, eh? Bummer.

 

[pknopp]

I don’t know but a nation that can’t hold a fair and transparent election, is a failed nation.

Except we held a fair and transparent election...

The craziness is we are still using the "Bad idea because they wanted to get home and rape their slaves" method of picking a president, instead of just having a direct election like any sensible nation would do.

To note......as crazy as it was 2016 was a fair election also.

That’s the thing with partisans, they can’t think rationally.

1. Prove that partisans don't think rationally, you can't
2. Partisans are active in the policies being voted on, as opposed to low-information voters, or non-voters
3. The old saying, "everyone votes their own pocketbook" is generally true

That’s too easy. Partisans of the two gangs think their gang is better, when clearly there is little difference between them. But like I stated, you must be able to think rationally and partisans can’t.

There are major differences between the two political parties, Leftists vs Conservatives.
If you think that the following policy differences don't matter, you aren't thinking.
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
In-sourcing jobs vs outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.

That’s propaganda designed to deceive you and it’s working.

If you can't see the major differences between the two parties you're either lying, or stupid.
Why are you on this forum when all you say is "both parties suck"?
We're supposed to debate ideas, i.e. real "content". Your posts have no content, maybe you should try the "flame zone"?

Both parties sucking is an idea.

Both parties suck is a simplistic "opinion". Debating ideas is about why each party sucks, and which one sucks more.

In a post which uses the word "suck", three times. Some debate.

One side is debating programs, principles, and an agenda. The other side is claiming the election was stolen, and Donald Trump is the greatest president in history.

One side doesn't suck, but Democrats are very tired of trying to keep the country running while Republicans keep crashing the economy to impoverish working people and benefit their corporate donors.

Starting useless wars sucks. (Syria, Yemen, Libya).

Continuing useless wars (Iraq, Afghanistan) sucks.

And both parties love war, but their supporters apparently can’t see the obvious.

Name the last war a Democrat started, Gipper.

Syria.

The US did not start any war in Syria. The Syrian Government was attacked by rebels having NOTHING to do with the USA.

Obama wanted to go in and stop Assad from gassing and murdering his own people, the Republican House and Senate said "No". Obama respected the wishes of Congress and provided only air support and training assistance.

This is a complete departure from Republicans, like Nixon or the Reagan Administrations who both were told "No" by Congress, and who both undertook clandestine operations in defiance such Congressional refusal in Cambodia and the Middle East, respectively.

Please stop. We put the military in.

 

[Decus]

You know you are right so there is no harm in letting them do the audit.

Unfortunately, that is 100% wrong in a society infected with the disease of post-truth Trumpism. There is plenty of harm to be done with this dog and pony show.

What harm?? Truth is on your side.

.

Can't think of a thing, eh? Bummer.

Apparently neither can you.

Too fking funny.

.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You know you are right so there is no harm in letting them do the audit.

Unfortunately, that is 100% wrong in a society infected with the disease of post-truth Trumpism. There is plenty of harm to be done with this dog and pony show.

What harm?? Truth is on your side.

.

Can't think of a thing, eh? Bummer.

Apparently neither can you.

Too fking funny.

.

You aren't demonstrating a very firm grasp of basic logic, there. But i am sure it serves to soothe you.

 

[forkup]

You know you are right so there is no harm in letting them do the audit.

Unfortunately, that is 100% wrong in a society infected with the disease of post-truth Trumpism. There is plenty of harm to be done with this dog and pony show.

The only harm will be proving fraud happened. That will not harm me.

Democrats will come away as huge winners if they can show that the final results of the audit were rigged. I really can't see any downside for Democrats in proving the audit results are fraudulent.

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The problem lays in the fact that there is no proof that will satisfy those that still believe in election fraud. In fact, chances are, especially in this audit. Considering the company that's doing it on the behest of the Arizona GOP. That the inconsistencies that are a part of any election cycle will be presented without any context and presented as proof of fraud at least for public consumption. It will simply reinforce the beliefs of those people that believe it. They of course won't bring the accusation in any venue that would force them to actually substantiate them but the idea is to keep the narrative alive.

Just today some person here started an OP citing an article that said that there was a manual recount in someplace and that a few hundred votes flipped because of it. I read the article and it didn't state that that was fraud, just a function of the machine that did the counting. Apparently, in some cases, it counted a fold as a vote.

The point is that this person took out of that article that voter fraud happened and wasn't at all interested in the stated reason for the error, or for that matter that it didn't affect the outcome. Now just imagine all the sound bites that will be given in an audit ordered and conducted by parties that have absolutely no reason to do so in good faith.

 

[forkup]

You know you are right so there is no harm in letting them do the audit.

Unfortunately, that is 100% wrong in a society infected with the disease of post-truth Trumpism. There is plenty of harm to be done with this dog and pony show.

The only harm will be proving fraud happened. That will not harm me.

The harm is in the implication that the results aren't fair, and that the election can be rigged. Why bother to vote if the outcome is predetermined.

When nations lose faith that their elections are fair, they are ripe for take-over by anti-democratic forces, and right now, the Republican Party is utterly and completely opposed to the concept of free and fair elections.

Depending on what poll you look at half the population or more already believe that there was election fraud. The audit could dispel that belief. A falsified audit would be easy to demonstrate.

.

No, it wouldn't. People who believe in voter fraud at this point believe it despite 2 previous audits in this particular county. They believe it despite countless people on both sides that are actually involved in administering the election saying it was fair. They believe it despite no credible challenges being filed asserting actual fraud last election cycle. They believe it long after any reasonable person would have long since given up believing.

These people aren't interested in facts, they aren't interested in what's being demonstrated. They will and have rejected any demonstration that doesn't fit the narrative.

 

[konradv]

Will MI follow suit? And if that is proven as a cheat, what happens? Does Sleepy Joe get to keep on in the WH? Or if proven Trump DID win...does he get brought back as potus?

It would be a huge embarrassment for the courts and the challenges to any decision would be endless and probably last well into the next election so I doubt Biden would be removed. The biggest advantage would be a push to reform our elections and perhaps a drive for term limits on all politicians , as well as a requirement for real transparency and accountability of our politicians.

Nobody gives any credence to these Qunatic audits. They'll change nothing except for further embarrassing Trump's supporters.

It has already prompted action and continued debate as to how best to verify voter identity and eligibility. A very positive result even if further audits are blocked.

We have been having that conversation since last spring. We don't need a bunch of incompetent fraud cultists putting on a dog-and-pony show in order to have this conversation.

So let them do the audit and you can show the world that their results are falsified. Truth welcomes transparency. Support the audit.

The audit has already been proven to be a fraud. Trump declares that a database has been wiped, while the local REPUBLICAN responsible for running elections is looking at the database that supposedly has been erased! Check and mate. Trump let it out of the bag. They're willing to tell any lie in the hope that something will stick. Sling mud and you'll get a lot on yourself, Dirty Don.

How has the audit been proven to be a fraud?

Try reading. When the Big Kahuna lies, it doesn't look good for the worker ants on the ground.

 

[Lastamender]

Will MI follow suit? And if that is proven as a cheat, what happens? Does Sleepy Joe get to keep on in the WH? Or if proven Trump DID win...does he get brought back as potus?

It would be a huge embarrassment for the courts and the challenges to any decision would be endless and probably last well into the next election so I doubt Biden would be removed. The biggest advantage would be a push to reform our elections and perhaps a drive for term limits on all politicians , as well as a requirement for real transparency and accountability of our politicians.

Nobody gives any credence to these Qunatic audits. They'll change nothing except for further embarrassing Trump's supporters.

It has already prompted action and continued debate as to how best to verify voter identity and eligibility. A very positive result even if further audits are blocked.

We have been having that conversation since last spring. We don't need a bunch of incompetent fraud cultists putting on a dog-and-pony show in order to have this conversation.

So let them do the audit and you can show the world that their results are falsified. Truth welcomes transparency. Support the audit.

The audit has already been proven to be a fraud. Trump declares that a database has been wiped, while the local REPUBLICAN responsible for running elections is looking at the database that supposedly has been erased! Check and mate. Trump let it out of the bag. They're willing to tell any lie in the hope that something will stick. Sling mud and you'll get a lot on yourself, Dirty Don.

How has the audit been proven to be a fraud?

Try reading. When the Big Kahuna lies, it doesn't look good for the worker ants on the ground.

So you have no proof. Why did you even answer?

 

[jc456]

NINJA's are never going to prove anything.

so fraud is not important for you huh?

 

[konradv]

Will MI follow suit? And if that is proven as a cheat, what happens? Does Sleepy Joe get to keep on in the WH? Or if proven Trump DID win...does he get brought back as potus?

It would be a huge embarrassment for the courts and the challenges to any decision would be endless and probably last well into the next election so I doubt Biden would be removed. The biggest advantage would be a push to reform our elections and perhaps a drive for term limits on all politicians , as well as a requirement for real transparency and accountability of our politicians.

Nobody gives any credence to these Qunatic audits. They'll change nothing except for further embarrassing Trump's supporters.

It has already prompted action and continued debate as to how best to verify voter identity and eligibility. A very positive result even if further audits are blocked.

We have been having that conversation since last spring. We don't need a bunch of incompetent fraud cultists putting on a dog-and-pony show in order to have this conversation.

So let them do the audit and you can show the world that their results are falsified. Truth welcomes transparency. Support the audit.

The audit has already been proven to be a fraud. Trump declares that a database has been wiped, while the local REPUBLICAN responsible for running elections is looking at the database that supposedly has been erased! Check and mate. Trump let it out of the bag. They're willing to tell any lie in the hope that something will stick. Sling mud and you'll get a lot on yourself, Dirty Don.

Don is not part of the audit and I really don't care what he says. I am curious to see the final result of the audit and if it will embarrass the auditors.

Didn't Don already do that by lying about the database? He essentially said everything they're doing is worthless, because of a deleted database. He obviously knew the audit was going to embarrass everyone involved, so he had to throw something out there to cover his ass.

 

[konradv]

Will MI follow suit? And if that is proven as a cheat, what happens? Does Sleepy Joe get to keep on in the WH? Or if proven Trump DID win...does he get brought back as potus?

It would be a huge embarrassment for the courts and the challenges to any decision would be endless and probably last well into the next election so I doubt Biden would be removed. The biggest advantage would be a push to reform our elections and perhaps a drive for term limits on all politicians , as well as a requirement for real transparency and accountability of our politicians.

Nobody gives any credence to these Qunatic audits. They'll change nothing except for further embarrassing Trump's supporters.

It has already prompted action and continued debate as to how best to verify voter identity and eligibility. A very positive result even if further audits are blocked.

We have been having that conversation since last spring. We don't need a bunch of incompetent fraud cultists putting on a dog-and-pony show in order to have this conversation.

So let them do the audit and you can show the world that their results are falsified. Truth welcomes transparency. Support the audit.

The audit has already been proven to be a fraud. Trump declares that a database has been wiped, while the local REPUBLICAN responsible for running elections is looking at the database that supposedly has been erased! Check and mate. Trump let it out of the bag. They're willing to tell any lie in the hope that something will stick. Sling mud and you'll get a lot on yourself, Dirty Don.

How has the audit been proven to be a fraud?

Try reading. When the Big Kahuna lies, it doesn't look good for the worker ants on the ground.

So you have no proof. Why did you even answer?

Why don't you read, troll?