IDs could cause enough of a dropoff in legitimate Democratic voting to add 3 percent

[Truthmatters]

86 people in a period of five years coutnry wide is next to non exsistant.

Is that threatening elections in this country Immie?

 

[hboats]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?_r=1


WASHINGTON, April 11 — Five years after the Bush administration began a crackdown on voter fraud, the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews.



Although Republican activists have repeatedly said fraud is so widespread that it has corrupted the political process and, possibly, cost the party election victories, about 120 people have been charged and 86 convicted as of last year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?_r=1

Although Republican activists have repeatedly said fraud is so widespread that it has corrupted the political process and, possibly, cost the party election victories, about 120 people have been charged and 86 convicted as of last year.

Wow, here again, I thought you said voter fraud did not happen at all.

Immie

And what do you want to bet that if voter registrations were more closely looked into that they'd find way more that 120 guilty. But the Democrats don't want that to happen because then all of the felons and dead who vote for them wouldn't be allowed to illegally vote.

Rick

 

[syrenn]

Ive got a better one for you TM. How about we start fingerprinting all thoes who vote?

No need to carry anything with you. You cant "forget" to bring your fingerprints with you. No need to be filling out any forms.

You also have to be alive and not someones pet dog. And if for some reason your prints ping back as a felon, oops cant vote then either.


And before you get all pissy and over the cliff about fingerprints, remember if you want to drive or carry ID in this country its required to give a fingerprint.

 

[AllieBaba]

Exactly. They are against any sort of action which makes voter fraud more difficult, because they are dependent upon voter fraud.

 

[hboats]

86 people in a period of five years coutnry wide is next to non exsistant.

Is that threatening elections in this country Immie?

There's a huge reason that such a small number have been found.

The Democrats keep blocking any effort to clean up voter registration rolls.

Why is that Truthdoesn'tmatter?

Rick

 

[Truthmatters]

28 felon voters in Minnesota in one county alone proves you wrong.

The proof has been posted, yet you refuse to see it.

Just like the proof that blows your "studies" that are actually just surveys from a biased group out of the water.

Yet you refuse to take the blinders off.

Rick

So even though you dont know the evidence you claim they will be convicted?

please go get the court documents that have you so convinced of guilt.

I gave you the court doccuments that convinced me of guilt, return the favor

I know you're not able to keep up, but I already explained to you that charges were just filed this week. The only "court documents" are the charges that were filed, and they were linked to.

The only problem with the "court documents that convinced you of guilt" is that there was NO FINDING OF GUILT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There were ALLEGATIONS made and the ALLEGATIONS were dropped. It's good to know that you are so easily "convinced of guilt." But the rest of us need EVIDENCE not ALLEGATIONS.

So, the charges that I have linked to are just as much proof as your "court documents" that show ALLEGATIONS without any finding of guilt.

Rick

So because the republicans entered a consent decree instead of allowing the court ot find them innocent then the cold hard evidence means nothing?


So if you avoid trial the crime never took place?

 

[Truthmatters]

86 people in a period of five years coutnry wide is next to non exsistant.

Is that threatening elections in this country Immie?

There's a huge reason that such a small number have been found.

The Democrats keep blocking any effort to clean up voter registration rolls.

Why is that Truthdoesn'tmatter?

Rick

Please go get your proof of this claim

 

[AllieBaba]

Well isn't that what you assert with regards to the NBP voter intimidation?

Nobody looked intimidated, therefore it doesn't count!

 

[hboats]

The real question here is why does Truthdoesn'tmatter insist on not letting the voter registrations be cleaned up.

Why do you insist on letting convicted felons vote?

Why do you insist on letting registered voters who are deceased have a fraudulent vote?

Why do you insist on letting people bus the elderly to voting locations to have them fill out their ballots for them?

What's wrong with making sure that only registered voters who are actually not felons and are still alive vote?

Why the resistance to cleaning up the voter registrations?

Rick

TM, please answer the above questions. This is the fourth time I've asked you to respond.

Why can't you?

Rick

 

[AllieBaba]

86 people in a period of five years coutnry wide is next to non exsistant.

Is that threatening elections in this country Immie?

There's a huge reason that such a small number have been found.

The Democrats keep blocking any effort to clean up voter registration rolls.

Why is that Truthdoesn'tmatter?

Rick

Please go get your proof of this claim

A poster who has never, in her entire life, posted a truthful thing or provided ANY evidence even vaguely supporting her claims has no right to demand others provide verification.

 

[DiveCon]

Ive got a better one for you TM. How about we start fingerprinting all thoes who vote?

No need to carry anything with you. You cant "forget" to bring your fingerprints with you. No need to be filling out any forms.

You also have to be alive and not someones pet dog. And if for some reason your prints ping back as a felon, oops cant vote then either.


And before you get all pissy and over the cliff about fingerprints, remember if you want to drive or carry ID in this country its required to give a fingerprint.

TneverM doesn't want actual voter ID
that way the dems can cheat and not get caught
any time you have greater turnout than actual registered voters there were SOME illegal voting going on

 

[DiveCon]

86 people in a period of five years coutnry wide is next to non exsistant.

Is that threatening elections in this country Immie?

There's a huge reason that such a small number have been found.

The Democrats keep blocking any effort to clean up voter registration rolls.

Why is that Truthdoesn'tmatter?

Rick

Please go get your proof of this claim

tell the dems to STOP fighting for better Voter ID systems'

 

[hboats]

86 people in a period of five years coutnry wide is next to non exsistant.

Is that threatening elections in this country Immie?

There's a huge reason that such a small number have been found.

The Democrats keep blocking any effort to clean up voter registration rolls.

Why is that Truthdoesn'tmatter?

Rick

Please go get your proof of this claim

You have the proof. It's right there in your "court documents." The attempts have been made by Republicans to make sure that only legal voters be allowed to vote, and the Democrats have tried to stop EVERY one. Learn to read your own posts before asking for proof of what you've already posted.

Rick

 

[boedicca]

86 people in a period of five years coutnry wide is next to non exsistant.

Is that threatening elections in this country Immie?

There's a huge reason that such a small number have been found.

The Democrats keep blocking any effort to clean up voter registration rolls.

Why is that Truthdoesn'tmatter?

Rick

Please go get your proof of this claim

You first dearie.

We're still waiting see proof for anything you've ever posted.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Truth is without a doubt the dimmest bulb on the board. A 3 watter at best.

CONGRATS!

 

[hboats]

So even though you dont know the evidence you claim they will be convicted?

please go get the court documents that have you so convinced of guilt.

I gave you the court doccuments that convinced me of guilt, return the favor

I know you're not able to keep up, but I already explained to you that charges were just filed this week. The only "court documents" are the charges that were filed, and they were linked to.

The only problem with the "court documents that convinced you of guilt" is that there was NO FINDING OF GUILT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There were ALLEGATIONS made and the ALLEGATIONS were dropped. It's good to know that you are so easily "convinced of guilt." But the rest of us need EVIDENCE not ALLEGATIONS.

So, the charges that I have linked to are just as much proof as your "court documents" that show ALLEGATIONS without any finding of guilt.

Rick

So because the republicans entered a consent decree instead of allowing the court ot find them innocent then the cold hard evidence means nothing?


So if you avoid trial the crime never took place?

No, but the question you've REFUSED to answer is if there was so much evidence against the Republicans why did the Democrats allow the case to be dropped? Why didn't they pursue it to the end?

One of two possible reasons. Either there was not nearly enough evidence to get a finding of guilt. Or the Republicans had just as much dirt on the Democrats and both decided to drop the whole thing to keep both sides from being found guilty.

Rick

 

[syrenn]

Ive got a better one for you TM. How about we start fingerprinting all thoes who vote?

No need to carry anything with you. You cant "forget" to bring your fingerprints with you. No need to be filling out any forms.

You also have to be alive and not someones pet dog. And if for some reason your prints ping back as a felon, oops cant vote then either.


And before you get all pissy and over the cliff about fingerprints, remember if you want to drive or carry ID in this country its required to give a fingerprint.

TneverM doesn't want actual voter ID
that way the dems can cheat and not get caught
any time you have greater turnout than actual registered voters there were SOME illegal voting going on

Agreed. ID's can be faked, fingerprints cant.

 

[Truthmatters]

The Truth About Fraud: Case Studies by Issue



Among Republicans it is an 'article of religious faith that voter fraud is causing us to lose elections,' [Royal] Masset[, former political director of the Republican Party of Texas,] said. He doesn't agree with that, but does believe that requiring photo IDs could cause enough of a dropoff in legitimate Democratic voting to add 3 percent to the Republican vote.

Thre truth is in the words of this republican leader

 

[hboats]

The Truth About Fraud: Case Studies by Issue



Among Republicans it is an 'article of religious faith that voter fraud is causing us to lose elections,' [Royal] Masset[, former political director of the Republican Party of Texas,] said. He doesn't agree with that, but does believe that requiring photo IDs could cause enough of a dropoff in legitimate Democratic voting to add 3 percent to the Republican vote.

Thre truth is in the words of this republican leader

That is one man's OPINION. It is in no way FACT.

Do you know the difference?

Rick

 

[Truthmatters]

I know you're not able to keep up, but I already explained to you that charges were just filed this week. The only "court documents" are the charges that were filed, and they were linked to.

The only problem with the "court documents that convinced you of guilt" is that there was NO FINDING OF GUILT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There were ALLEGATIONS made and the ALLEGATIONS were dropped. It's good to know that you are so easily "convinced of guilt." But the rest of us need EVIDENCE not ALLEGATIONS.

So, the charges that I have linked to are just as much proof as your "court documents" that show ALLEGATIONS without any finding of guilt.

Rick

So because the republicans entered a consent decree instead of allowing the court ot find them innocent then the cold hard evidence means nothing?


So if you avoid trial the crime never took place?

No, but the question you've REFUSED to answer is if there was so much evidence against the Republicans why did the Democrats allow the case to be dropped? Why didn't they pursue it to the end?

One of two possible reasons. Either there was not nearly enough evidence to get a finding of guilt. Or the Republicans had just as much dirt on the Democrats and both decided to drop the whole thing to keep both sides from being found guilty.

Rick

they entered a consent decree, you must also remember the republicans were no exsonerated either.


The evdince still exsists.

And its damning