ICE arresting more innocent people than criminals. Up 800% more under Trump!

[Luckyone]

1. That's the law. You're all about the law remember?

2. You've just described a huge chunk of the world and most of the people living in it. The solution isn't to bring those people here. Primarily because it will not solve the root problem. In fact, the argument can be made that the ability to just leave those countries for already established better cultures retards the development of the countries and cultures they are leaving behind. It also does not allow the gaining culture/country to absorb and assimilate those people into the gaining culture properly. It causes all kinds of issues not the least of which include things like.,

Housing shortages
Wage suppression
Identity and tax fraud
Straining of the social safety net
etc etc.

The US allows more legal immigration than any other country on the planet by a WIDE margin. It's not even close. We secure the world's trade routes, we give more money in aid to other countries than anyone on the planet again by a WIDE margin. We have been and continue to do more than our fair share of the heavy lifting to make the world a better place. So **** all the way off with your "ever hear of humanity" bull shit.

I am not talking about what I would like to happen but about what is. The fact that none of us can get away from is that the population of this earth has now expanded above what the earth can take in comfortably, and that will continue to get worse as long as more people are born than those who die. Illegal immigration is a problem seen worldwide (not just us) and there is literally nothing that can stop it. It can be controlled to a certain degree but reasons to complain about it, increase every day.

Solution is to kill half the population in the world and that will cause the problem to ease 90%. Otherwise, we need to learn to live with it.

As far as your statement about "The US allows more legal immigration than any other country on the planet by a WIDE margin", all I have to say "that is the reason we are great and why we are the leaders of the world". Trump wants to take that away. meaning that MAGA is simply a big lie. Because of Trump, we are becoming an isolation country that is getting rid of friendship and humanity to be replaced with uncaring-for-others and someone to stay away from.

You cannot use the past to support your statement because the past is exactly what Trump is getting rid of.
As such, you can "**** of your use of the humanity word as there is no humanity left in you or Trump".

"**** all the people who look to live and survive. I come first and foremost", right?

 

[berg80]

In fiscal year 2025 (starting October 1, 2024), ICE has arrested a significant number of individuals with no criminal convictions.

That's a feature, not a bug, for the regime. It fits seamlessly with the message it is trying to convey. "Brown people are not welcome in MAGAist America."

 

[Luckyone]

You posted a link(s) without reading them is what, and you got called out on it. I read your false and crappy links. You didn't bother because you are here just to link slap, and not for serious debate or research.

Whatever you say. You are entitled to your opinion............but not to what you call facts. Mother nature is the owner of that and she will do this, no matter what you say:

 

[Lesh]

This is the only thing your first link says and even if true, it says 30% have criminal convictions and that is the last paragraph of your crappy link. Overall, more than 51,000 migrants are in ICE detention centers as of early June, according to NBC News. Less than 30 percent of those being held have criminal convictions.

So, lets no go to NBC News just for kicks to see what it says, even though this is now a wild goose chase because you are making the readers do your work to disprove your claims.

The only thing it says about criminal illegals is this:

28.7% with criminal convictions
24.6% with pending criminal charges
47.4% listed as "other immigration violator"
11.9% fast-tracked for deportation

Nothing. I repeat NOTHING about any proof that The number of people without a criminal record being arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents and held in detention has jumped 800 percent since January, as officials face pressure to boost numbers, according to reports.

In the future, for you and everyone else, the above is the reason I do not do links. It took me 10 minutes to get the above proof that your links stink and don't say what you claim. It says nothing about most of them not being criminals.

“Have no criminal record” MEANS that they are not criminals

 

[Luckyone]

That's exactly right. Poor conditions in your home country don't give you the right to break laws in another. I'm sorry you ******* liberals think like this, but it's not true.

Part of "humanity" is following the law. You break the law, there are consequences.

If I sneak into the country without permission, I can be removed. There is no requirement for me to commit further crimes in order for this to happen.

Get a life, loser.

Here's a breakdown of the dilemma of humanity vs laws:

• The Intent of Laws: Ideally, laws are designed to protect individuals and promote the well-being of society as a whole. They aim to establish a framework for order, fairness, and safety.
• The Conflict: However, situations can arise where a law, in its application, may lead to unintended negative consequences or cause harm to certain individuals or groups. This creates a conflict between adhering to the letter of the law and acting in a way that is considered humane or morally right.
• The Ethical Dimension: This is where the concept of "humane" comes into play. Humane actions are generally understood as those characterized by compassion, kindness, and a concern for the suffering of others. When laws cause harm, it forces us to confront whether simply following the law, regardless of the consequences, aligns with a humane approach.
• Moral Responsibility to Disobey?: As Martin Luther King Jr. articulated, there's a distinction between just and unjust laws. One may have a moral responsibility to obey just laws, but conversely, a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. This suggests that in some cases, being humane might necessitate defying a law that leads to harm.

By the way, debasing someone without a reason (I show caring with no personal benefit attached), is not only not showing humanity but also being a stupid asshole.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Those being deported are largely NOT violent criminal

As long as they're largely illegal aliens.

 

[Polishprince]

“Have no criminal record” MEANS that they are not criminals

Not exactly.

It means they weren't convicted of a crime in this country, it doesn't mean they weren't a drug pusher or child molester back in the Krapistan Fatherland.

And that's what makes admitting people from heckholes like Venezuela and Cuba so problematic. They aren't open about their nationals who want to move to America, so its tough to say whether someone is going to start raping American babies or tearing off mattress tags as soon as they are admitted.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ever hear of the concept of humanity?

Many of those people face dire (if not deathly) conditions in their countries and to send them back without the chance of pleading their case in front of a judge, is inhumane.

It is like saying "you broke our law by coming here illegally, so I do not CARE about giving you a chance to save yourself, or your family. **** you!"

Ever hear of the concept of humanity?

Ever heard of the concept of law and order?

Many of those people face dire (if not deathly) conditions in their countries

Many of those people don't face dire (if not deathly) conditions in their countries.

and to send them back without the chance of pleading their case in front of a judge, is inhumane.

Tough shit.

It is like saying "you broke our law by coming here illegally, so I do not CARE about giving you a chance to save yourself, or your family. **** you!"

Exactly. **** you and **** them.

 

[Lesh]

Not exactly.

It means they weren't convicted of a crime in this country, it doesn't mean they weren't a drug pusher or child molester back in the Krapistan Fatherland.

And that's what makes admitting people from heckholes like Venezuela and Cuba so problematic. They aren't open about their nationals who want to move to America, so it’s tough to say whether someone is going to start raping American babies or tearing off mattress tags as soon as they are admitted.

It means they are not criminals despite your baseless claims about what they may or may not have done in another country.

Many of these people have been here for decades

 

[Lesh]

Ever hear of the concept of humanity?

Ever heard of the concept of law and order?

Many of those people face dire (if not deathly) conditions in their countries

Many of those people don't face dire (if not deathly) conditions in their countries.

and to send them back without the chance of pleading their case in front of a judge, is inhumane.

Tough shit.

It is like saying "you broke our law by coming here illegally, so I do not CARE about giving you a chance to save yourself, or your family. **** you!"

Exactly. **** you and **** them.

Tell us again how you are empathetic folks

 

[Lesh]

As long as they're largely illegal aliens.

You keep making my point.

This is not about making this country safer

It’s not about reducing crime

 

[Nostra]

It means they are not criminals despite your baseless claims about what they may or may not have done in another country.

Many of these people have been here for decades

They came into the US illegally, so they are all criminals, stupid.

 

[Nostra]

You keep making my point.

This is not about making this country safer

It’s not about reducing crime

Yes, it is. The country is safer now thanks to Trump cleaning up the mess your Vegetable Messiah left behind.

Murder is way down, Dumbass.

 

[Lesh]

They came into the US illegally, so they are all criminals, stupid.

But they are NOT violent criminals and that’s the point

 

[Polishprince]

Many of these people have been here for decades

Some of those who have been in the USA for decades are involved in drug use, driving drunk, etc., and libs are bitching when they are shown the door.

 

[Lesh]

Yes, it is. The country is safer now thanks to Trump cleaning up the mess your Vegetable Messiah left behind.

Murder is way down, Dumbass.

Murder rates dropping is a downward TREND that began in 2022

Nothing to do with this topic or Trump

 

[Nostra]

But they are NOT violent criminals and that’s the point

400,00 convicted rapists and murderers that we know of.

Why did tater release hundreds of thousand of convicted rapists and murderers into the US, Simp?

 

[Lesh]

400,00 convicted rapists and murderers that we know of.

Why did tater release hundreds of thousand of convicted rapists and murderers into the US, Simp?

So if that’s the case why are the Trump goons having such a hard time finding and deporting THOSE people?

Less than a third of deportees have ANY criminal record

 

[Nostra]

So if that’s the case why are the Trump goons having such a hard time finding and deporting THOSE people?

Less than a third of deportees have ANY criminal record

How many have a criminal record? Show your data.

And I find it hilarious you approve of millions of convicted criminals being released into the US.

And 100% of them are criminals by violating our immigration laws.

 

[Kondor3]

But they are NOT violent criminals and that’s the point

They are part Collection of Useful Worker-Bees and part Useless Mouths to Feed and part Dangerous Scum...

All are here illegally...

All stepped foot upon United States soil without our express prior consent...

All are eligible to be deported...

All...

We may keep some of the Worker Bees or develop a system of Rotating Worker Bees as this unfolds...

But... criminal or not... taken as a whole... they are a burden and sap taxpayer resources and undercut American workers...

They go...

In the final analysis... the order or sequence in which they go doesn't really matter...

They all go...