I will not Bow!

[Kondor3]

"...Look at the Arabs within Israel's present borders...All relatively happy..."

Those who chose to stay behind and to collaborate and become citizens were rewarded.

Those who chose to leave, and to fight, cannot (and will not) be trusted to behave in the same way.

Too much at stake to take such a chance.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Palestine was whatever the Allied Powers says it iwas.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Then we must be in agreement.


(COMMENT)

Other than what was established by the powers invested in the Mandatory and the Allied Powers:

The international borders were defined by the Allied Powers; not the Treaty and not by virtue of the the inhabitants.

The Palestinians were not a distinct nationality; being separate in any fashion from other Arab within the central Levant, those in the surrounding administrative districts (later known as Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia).

The Palestinians were NOT citizens of Palestine. They were Arabs that became known as Palestinians, after the Allied Powers established the Mandate of Palestine over a territory they defined; and assumed responsibilities for legislative action, immigration, citizenship and naturalization.

Most Respectfully,
R

Bingo! That is what I have been saying all along.

All of the successor states were under mandate. The mandate was temporarily assigned to Palestine to render administrative assistance and advice until it could stand alone. It did not, could not alter borders or nationality.

The mandate and Palestine were separate entities. When the mandate left Palestine, Palestine was still there inside its international borders.

(COMMENT)

Again, you are wrong. Understand, one more time, what it means when you say: "Palestine" (Back then it was not a country or a nationality beyond anything the Allied Powers said.)

The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.

SOURCE: The Palestine Order in Council

The word Palestine means the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies.

What happens when the mandate is terminate, "Palestine is terminated." They are one and the same thing.

OR, to correct your statement:

• When the mandate left Palestine, Palestine was no longer there inside its international borders.

Most Respectfully,
R

Do you have a link that says that?

 

[Indeependent]

The link is called Israel.

 

[pbel]

"...Look at the Arabs within Israel's present borders...All relatively happy..."

Those who chose to stay behind and to collaborate and become citizens were rewarded.

Those who chose to leave, and to fight, cannot (and will not) be trusted to behave in the same way.

Too much at stake to take such a chance.

It's Israel's ONLY chance!

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Sometimes you have to apply your comprehensive skills.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Palestine was whatever the Allied Powers says it was.

Bingo! That is what I have been saying all along.

All of the successor states were under mandate. The mandate was temporarily assigned to Palestine to render administrative assistance and advice until it could stand alone. It did not, could not alter borders or nationality.

The mandate and Palestine were separate entities. When the mandate left Palestine, Palestine was still there inside its international borders.

(COMMENT)

Again, you are wrong. Understand, one more time, what it means when you say: "Palestine" (Back then it was not a country or a nationality beyond anything the Allied Powers said.)

The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.

SOURCE: The Palestine Order in Council

The word Palestine means the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies.

What happens when the mandate is terminate, "Palestine is terminated." They are one and the same thing.

OR, to correct your statement:

• When the mandate left Palestine, Palestine was no longer there inside its international borders.

Most Respectfully,
R

Do you have a link that says that?

(COMMENT)

The link is right here.

The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.

SOURCE: The Palestine Order in Council

We are using the commutative property of addition in logic.

• 3+4=4+3
  • Territory of Mandate for Palestine = Palestine
  • Palestine = Territory of Mandate for Palestine
    • If the Territory of Mandate for Palestine = 0 (Zero)
    • Then Palestine = 0 (Zero)
      • No Territory of Mandate for Palestine
      • Then No Palestine

There is more to the discussion than just using the copy'n'paste function and someone else's ideas to make your point. Sometimes, you have to be able to use your personal skill in critical thinking and logic.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

Tinmkore, you need to provide links for your claims before you ask people for links

 

[Kondor3]

"...Look at the Arabs within Israel's present borders...All relatively happy..."

Those who chose to stay behind and to collaborate and become citizens were rewarded.

Those who chose to leave, and to fight, cannot (and will not) be trusted to behave in the same way.

Too much at stake to take such a chance.

It's Israel's ONLY chance!

Yes. So you've said. Others see it quite differently.

 

[toastman]

Try reading Deuteronomy 7:7 and then get back to us on who needs to worry.

What doe Pbel think is going to happen?? That hundreds of millions of Arabs are going to gather at Israels borders and try to take over Israel?? LOL

Toast, If that happened, Israel would run out of bullets and lose...No, wars of attrition are a slow process where Demographics and resistance and little skirmishes wear out the defenders of their tiny fortress...The constant danger of attack is very expensive in money and the cost of blood makes people leave the danger...

The Superpowers of the past have all left not because they wanted to, but for the cost of constant resistance.

The ONLY thing that can stop this grinding process is acceptance...Jews and Muslims have shared the same space for thousands of years. Peace for two or 3 generations and positive trade with the ME will gain the acceptance Israel needs...Look at the Arabs within Israel's present borders...All relatively happy...A little prosperity goes a long way.

Group dynamics are universal and predictable.

They wouldn't run out of bullets. If hundreds of millions of Arabs gathered around Israels borders trying to take over the country, Israel wouldn't have to use a single bullet. All that's needed ins a couple of nukes to eliminate the threat, and any reserve Arabs would not be able to approach the border like their roasted friends because of a nuclear fallout.

Of course, such a situation would never occur.

Now, concerning your prediction that Israel will 'tire out' because of all the future skirmishes and what not....I don't buy that. Anyone who attacks Israel in even the slightest way gets hit so hard, they think twice before attacking Israel again.
Also, you need to understand just how patriotic Israels citizens and soldiers are.

Now you actually believe that Israel going back to the '67 borders and allowing right of return is going to make the Arabs accept her existence???? That's a load of crap !
As a matter of fact, doing so will make Israel wayyyy harder to defend herself AND give Israel serious demographic issues.

Pbel, there are plenty of Muslim in the ME who truly believe it is Allah's will for them to destroy Israel. And they are ready to give up their life to do so.

Israel will NEVER return to the '67 borders
Israel will NEVER allow right of return
Israel will NEVER divide Jerusalem

........and rightfully so

 

[GISMYS]

Imho. Israel will agree to divide jerusalem for "peace" (a false peace) bible prophecy says so!

 

[pbel]

What doe Pbel think is going to happen?? That hundreds of millions of Arabs are going to gather at Israels borders and try to take over Israel?? LOL

Toast, If that happened, Israel would run out of bullets and lose...No, wars of attrition are a slow process where Demographics and resistance and little skirmishes wear out the defenders of their tiny fortress...The constant danger of attack is very expensive in money and the cost of blood makes people leave the danger...

The Superpowers of the past have all left not because they wanted to, but for the cost of constant resistance.

The ONLY thing that can stop this grinding process is acceptance...Jews and Muslims have shared the same space for thousands of years. Peace for two or 3 generations and positive trade with the ME will gain the acceptance Israel needs...Look at the Arabs within Israel's present borders...All relatively happy...A little prosperity goes a long way.

Group dynamics are universal and predictable.

They wouldn't run out of bullets. If hundreds of millions of Arabs gathered around Israels borders trying to take over the country, Israel wouldn't have to use a single bullet. All that's needed ins a couple of nukes to eliminate the threat, and any reserve Arabs would not be able to approach the border like their roasted friends because of a nuclear fallout.

Of course, such a situation would never occur.

Now, concerning your prediction that Israel will 'tire out' because of all the future skirmishes and what not....I don't buy that. Anyone who attacks Israel in even the slightest way gets hit so hard, they think twice before attacking Israel again.
Also, you need to understand just how patriotic Israels citizens and soldiers are.

Now you actually believe that Israel going back to the '67 borders and allowing right of return is going to make the Arabs accept her existence???? That's a load of crap !
As a matter of fact, doing so will make Israel wayyyy harder to defend herself AND give Israel serious demographic issues.

Pbel, there are plenty of Muslim in the ME who truly believe it is Allah's will for them to destroy Israel. And they are ready to give up their life to do so.

Israel will NEVER return to the '67 borders
Israel will NEVER allow right of return
Israel will NEVER divide Jerusalem

........and rightfully so

We're going to call you Dr. Toastlove...If Israel uses nukes, Pakistan will destroy her.

 

[toastman]

Toast, If that happened, Israel would run out of bullets and lose...No, wars of attrition are a slow process where Demographics and resistance and little skirmishes wear out the defenders of their tiny fortress...The constant danger of attack is very expensive in money and the cost of blood makes people leave the danger...

The Superpowers of the past have all left not because they wanted to, but for the cost of constant resistance.

The ONLY thing that can stop this grinding process is acceptance...Jews and Muslims have shared the same space for thousands of years. Peace for two or 3 generations and positive trade with the ME will gain the acceptance Israel needs...Look at the Arabs within Israel's present borders...All relatively happy...A little prosperity goes a long way.

Group dynamics are universal and predictable.

They wouldn't run out of bullets. If hundreds of millions of Arabs gathered around Israels borders trying to take over the country, Israel wouldn't have to use a single bullet. All that's needed ins a couple of nukes to eliminate the threat, and any reserve Arabs would not be able to approach the border like their roasted friends because of a nuclear fallout.

Of course, such a situation would never occur.

Now, concerning your prediction that Israel will 'tire out' because of all the future skirmishes and what not....I don't buy that. Anyone who attacks Israel in even the slightest way gets hit so hard, they think twice before attacking Israel again.
Also, you need to understand just how patriotic Israels citizens and soldiers are.

Now you actually believe that Israel going back to the '67 borders and allowing right of return is going to make the Arabs accept her existence???? That's a load of crap !
As a matter of fact, doing so will make Israel wayyyy harder to defend herself AND give Israel serious demographic issues.

Pbel, there are plenty of Muslim in the ME who truly believe it is Allah's will for them to destroy Israel. And they are ready to give up their life to do so.

Israel will NEVER return to the '67 borders
Israel will NEVER allow right of return
Israel will NEVER divide Jerusalem

........and rightfully so

We're going to call you Dr. Toastlove...If Israel uses nukes, Pakistan will destroy her.

LOL that was a hypothetical situation. It would never happen. But of course you would have no problem with millions of Arabs trying to destroy Israel.
Oh, and why would Pakistan commit suicide by nuking another country??

 

[pbel]

They wouldn't run out of bullets. If hundreds of millions of Arabs gathered around Israels borders trying to take over the country, Israel wouldn't have to use a single bullet. All that's needed ins a couple of nukes to eliminate the threat, and any reserve Arabs would not be able to approach the border like their roasted friends because of a nuclear fallout.

Of course, such a situation would never occur.

Now, concerning your prediction that Israel will 'tire out' because of all the future skirmishes and what not....I don't buy that. Anyone who attacks Israel in even the slightest way gets hit so hard, they think twice before attacking Israel again.
Also, you need to understand just how patriotic Israels citizens and soldiers are.

Now you actually believe that Israel going back to the '67 borders and allowing right of return is going to make the Arabs accept her existence???? That's a load of crap !
As a matter of fact, doing so will make Israel wayyyy harder to defend herself AND give Israel serious demographic issues.

Pbel, there are plenty of Muslim in the ME who truly believe it is Allah's will for them to destroy Israel. And they are ready to give up their life to do so.

Israel will NEVER return to the '67 borders
Israel will NEVER allow right of return
Israel will NEVER divide Jerusalem

........and rightfully so

We're going to call you Dr. Toastlove...If Israel uses nukes, Pakistan will destroy her.

LOL that was a hypothetical situation. It would never happen. But of course you would have no problem with millions of Arabs trying to destroy Israel.
Oh, and why would Pakistan commit suicide by nuking another country??

Because the Saudis paid for the Pakistani nuke program and will act on their orders... the suicide would be Israel's considering all the hundreds of thousands WMDs now currently in various Arab countries.

Israelis nuking the Arabs is insanity.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

I MIGHT bowl.

But it is doubtful I will ever consistently pick up a 7 - 10 split.

 

[toastman]

We're going to call you Dr. Toastlove...If Israel uses nukes, Pakistan will destroy her.

LOL that was a hypothetical situation. It would never happen. But of course you would have no problem with millions of Arabs trying to destroy Israel.
Oh, and why would Pakistan commit suicide by nuking another country??

Because the Saudis paid for the Pakistani nuke program and will act on their orders... the suicide would be Israel's considering all the hundreds of thousands WMDs now currently in various Arab countries.

Israelis nuking the Arabs is insanity.

What Arab countries are you referring to that have WMD'S ? Link ?

 

[pbel]

LOL that was a hypothetical situation. It would never happen. But of course you would have no problem with millions of Arabs trying to destroy Israel.
Oh, and why would Pakistan commit suicide by nuking another country??

Because the Saudis paid for the Pakistani nuke program and will act on their orders... the suicide would be Israel's considering all the hundreds of thousands WMDs now currently in various Arab countries.

Israelis nuking the Arabs is insanity.

What Arab countries are you referring to that have WMD'S ? Link ?

Israel and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israel has signed but not ratified the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC).[14] In 1983 a report by the CIA stated that Israel, after "finding itself surrounded by frontline Arab states with budding CW capabilities, became increasingly conscious of its vulnerability to chemical attack... undertook a program of chemical warfare preparations in both offensive and protective areas... In late 1982 a probable CW nerve agent production facility and a storage facility were identified at the Dimona Sensitive Storage Area in the Negev Desert. Other CW agent production is believed to exist within a well-developed Israeli chemical industry."[15]

There are also speculations that a chemical weapons program might be located at the Israel Institute for Biological Research (IIBR[16]) in Ness Ziona.[17]

190 liters of dimethyl methylphosphonate, a CWC schedule 2 chemical used in the synthesis of sarin nerve gas, was discovered in the cargo of El Al Flight 1862 after it crashed in 1992 en route to Tel Aviv. Israel insisted the material was non-toxic, was to have been used to test filters that protect against chemical weapons, and that it had been clearly listed on the cargo manifest in accordance with international regulations. The shipment was from a U.S. chemical plant to the IIBR under a U.S. Department of Commerce license.[18]

In 1993, the U.S. Congress Office of Technology Assessment WMD proliferation assessment recorded Israel as a country generally reported as having undeclared offensive chemical warfare capabilities.[2] Former US deputy assistant secretary of defense responsible for chemical and biological defense, Bill Richardson, said in 1998 "I have no doubt that Israel has worked on both chemical and biological offensive things for a long time... There's no doubt they've had stuff for years

 

[toastman]

Well you still didn't tell me what countries. Either way, if they wanted to use CW on Israel, they would have already.

 

[pbel]

Well you still didn't tell me what countries. Either way, if they wanted to use CW on Israel, they would have already.

Think of a War of Attrition like the Cold War between the USA and the USSR, it was bankrupting both countries...

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Sometimes you have to apply your comprehensive skills.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Palestine was whatever the Allied Powers says it was.


(COMMENT)

Again, you are wrong. Understand, one more time, what it means when you say: "Palestine" (Back then it was not a country or a nationality beyond anything the Allied Powers said.)



The word Palestine means the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies.

What happens when the mandate is terminate, "Palestine is terminated." They are one and the same thing.

OR, to correct your statement:

• When the mandate left Palestine, Palestine was no longer there inside its international borders.

Most Respectfully,
R

Do you have a link that says that?

(COMMENT)

The link is right here.

The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.

SOURCE: The Palestine Order in Council

We are using the commutative property of addition in logic.

• 3+4=4+3
  • Territory of Mandate for Palestine = Palestine
  • Palestine = Territory of Mandate for Palestine
    • If the Territory of Mandate for Palestine = 0 (Zero)
    • Then Palestine = 0 (Zero)
      • No Territory of Mandate for Palestine
      • Then No Palestine

There is more to the discussion than just using the copy'n'paste function and someone else's ideas to make your point. Sometimes, you have to be able to use your personal skill in critical thinking and logic.

Most Respectfully,
R

Quote the passage that confirms what you say.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Sometimes you have to apply your comprehensive skills.

Do you have a link that says that?

(COMMENT)

The link is right here.

The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.

SOURCE: The Palestine Order in Council

We are using the commutative property of addition in logic.

• 3+4=4+3
  • Territory of Mandate for Palestine = Palestine
  • Palestine = Territory of Mandate for Palestine
    • If the Territory of Mandate for Palestine = 0 (Zero)
    • Then Palestine = 0 (Zero)
      • No Territory of Mandate for Palestine
      • Then No Palestine

There is more to the discussion than just using the copy'n'paste function and someone else's ideas to make your point. Sometimes, you have to be able to use your personal skill in critical thinking and logic.

Most Respectfully,
R

Quote the passage that confirms what you say.

Stop it Tinmore. Your claim has been proved wrong ! Give it up !
Why are you so scared to admit you were wrong ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Sometimes you have to apply your comprehensive skills.


(COMMENT)

The link is right here.



We are using the commutative property of addition in logic.

• 3+4=4+3
  • Territory of Mandate for Palestine = Palestine
  • Palestine = Territory of Mandate for Palestine
    • If the Territory of Mandate for Palestine = 0 (Zero)
    • Then Palestine = 0 (Zero)
      • No Territory of Mandate for Palestine
      • Then No Palestine

There is more to the discussion than just using the copy'n'paste function and someone else's ideas to make your point. Sometimes, you have to be able to use your personal skill in critical thinking and logic.

Most Respectfully,
R

Quote the passage that confirms what you say.

Stop it Tinmore. Your claim has been proved wrong ! Give it up !
Why are you so scared to admit you were wrong ?

No it hasn't.

Where is that quote?