I will not Bow!

[MrMax]

The threat is from the occupier. The Palestinians merely respond. They are not aggressive.

So the threat to me and my family is from the pro Palestinian muslim invaders/occupiers. Does this mean I can bomb their children in school, fire bomb their mosques when prayers are taking place.

Because this is what you have just stated the pro Palestinian ISLAMONAZI TERRORIST SCUM can do as legitimate defence of palestine

Name calling.

you lose.

Is that what arabs consider winning? A round of name calling? What's next? A game of marbles?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I see that, while I was out with my kids, that you had a couple issues with my posting.

Rocco is an old government person. They think funny like that.

Rocco posts full pages of excess verbosity based on false premise.

(COMMENT)

Yeah, we're funny like that.

If I answer in a short, abbreviated fashion, you want "links" and cherry pick the sound bites. If I anticipate your counter-point, you say it is "verbose" and full of "smoke;" but don't challenge the content; merely the manner of presentation.

(BACKGROUND & QUESTION)

So, your counterpoint is that Palestinian Resistance is not a threat to regional security and peace.

• So, if this is true, then why should any other country care about the dispute if it (as you claim) is harmless (not a threat) to them?

You are always quite nebulas as to the authority the Palestinians claim to conduct violent and hostile resistance.

• Where (exactly) is this authority to conduct hostile and violent resistance?
• Where is the exemption cited?

√ "Considering it equally essential that all States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in accordance with the Charter" (A/RES/25/2625).​

You are always quite careful to avoid a clear and concise answer to the questions about the current negotiating position of the Palestinians. The PLO Negotiations Affairs Department (NAD) is quite clear on the issue of borders and their position.

Do you agree with the PLO-NAD that:

• Key Facts
  • The 1967 border is the internationally-recognized border between Israel and the oPt.
  • A basic principle of international law is that no state may acquire territory by force. Israel has no valid claim to any part of the territory it occupied in 1967.
  • The international community does not recognize Israeli sovereignty over any part of the oPt, including East Jerusalem.

• Our Position
  • A number of border-related issues will need to be addressed during final status talks to achieve an end in conflict on the basis of the two-state solution, including:
    • Borders:
      • Israel has no valid claim to any part of the West Bank or Gaza Strip. However, in the interest of peace, we have been willing to discuss minor, equitable, and mutually-agreed territorial exchanges should we decide that it is in our interest to do so.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

Rocco is an old government person. They think funny like that.

Rocco knows what he's talking about concerning the Israel Palestine debate. You rarely do.
You only say this about Rocco because he is a threat to you.

Rocco posts full pages of excess verbosity based on false premise.

Complete and utter BULLSHIT

 

[P F Tinmore]

^^^^^^^^^^ Tin hypocrite, somebody's got to keep those sharia loving assholes busy, since they want to rule the world with their pedophile religion, might as well stop them on their doorstep and watch them grovel for food and other basics.

More illegal external interference.

The root of the problem.

 

[montelatici]

For the Zionutters the only unbiased evidence is Zionist propaganda. While waiting for the 2014 ratings, in 2013 it looks like Israel is still vying for last place in terms most unpopular countries and is still firmly entrenched in the pariah category.

"Israel, North Korea, Pakistan and Iran came out worst in terms of how they are viewed globally."

BBC News - BBC poll: Germany most popular country in the world

And, the BBC was not ever censured for the polls you lying s.o.s.

 

[Phoenall]

The BBC did a scientific poll with an acceptable margin of error...you whine against science.

I brought up how many people were polled in this 'worldwide' poll.
That's not whining. What you're doing now is more if an example of whining.

Well then Dr. Weiner , what should that number be since scientific polling requires a certain number of valid responses?

Scientific polling also requires unbiased questions and a range of possible answers. It does not include giving a short list of possible answers. Which is why the Poll was not accepted by the BBC watchdog as being UNBIASED and NON RACIST

 

[Phoenall]

i brought up how many people were polled in this 'worldwide' poll.
That's not whining. What you're doing now is more if an example of whining.

well then dr. Weiner , what should that number be since scientific polling requires a certain number of valid responses?

26 000

It could be as few as 1,000 if the poll is done without bias and anti Semitism, but to weigh the questions against Israel at the very outset shows that the BBC wanted to manipulate the results.

Here is the poll in full

I would now like to ask your impressions of some specific countries.
M1A. Please tell me if you think each of the following countries is having a mainly positive or mainly negative influence in the world.
ROTATE
at) China
01 – Mainly positive
02 – Mainly negative
VOLUNTEERED (DO NOT READ)
03 – Depends
04 – Neither, neutral
99 – DK/NA
bt) France
ct) The United States
dt) The European Union
et) Japan
ft) Israel
gt) North Korea
ht) Canada
M1B. Please tell me if you think each of the following countries is having a mainly positive or mainly negative influence in the world.
ROTATE
at) The United Kingdom
01 – Mainly positive
02 – Mainly negative
VOLUNTEERED (DO NOT READ)
03 – Depends
04 – Neither, neutral
99 – DK/NA
bt) Russia
ct) India
dt) Iran
et) Brazil
ft) Pakistan
gt) Germany
ht) South Africa
it) South Korea


Hardly a scientific poll is it

 

[Phoenall]

Rocco posts full pages of excess verbosity based on false premise.

Of course he does Tinmore, of course he does.

Rocco does not think that thousands of foreign settlers sent to Palestine by a foreign organization to take over the country and protected by the gun of a foreign superpower can be considered external interference.

Then the arab muslims should never have invaded should they. But if you mean the Jews they were invited to migrate, first by the Ottoman muslims and then by the arab muslims via the LoN.
And no gun of any foreign nation helped the Jews until after the last arab army invasion in 1973

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I see that, while I was out with my kids, that you had a couple issues with my posting.

Rocco is an old government person. They think funny like that.

Rocco posts full pages of excess verbosity based on false premise.

(COMMENT)

Yeah, we're funny like that.

If I answer in a short, abbreviated fashion, you want "links" and cherry pick the sound bites. If I anticipate your counter-point, you say it is "verbose" and full of "smoke;" but don't challenge the content; merely the manner of presentation.

(BACKGROUND & QUESTION)

So, your counterpoint is that Palestinian Resistance is not a threat to regional security and peace.

• So, if this is true, then why should any other country care about the dispute if it (as you claim) is harmless (not a threat) to them?

You are always quite nebulas as to the authority the Palestinians claim to conduct violent and hostile resistance.

• Where (exactly) is this authority to conduct hostile and violent resistance?
• Where is the exemption cited?

√ "Considering it equally essential that all States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in accordance with the Charter" (A/RES/25/2625).​

You are always quite careful to avoid a clear and concise answer to the questions about the current negotiating position of the Palestinians. The PLO Negotiations Affairs Department (NAD) is quite clear on the issue of borders and their position.

Do you agree with the PLO-NAD that:

• Key Facts
  • The 1967 border is the internationally-recognized border between Israel and the oPt.
  • A basic principle of international law is that no state may acquire territory by force. Israel has no valid claim to any part of the territory it occupied in 1967.
  • The international community does not recognize Israeli sovereignty over any part of the oPt, including East Jerusalem.

• Our Position
  • A number of border-related issues will need to be addressed during final status talks to achieve an end in conflict on the basis of the two-state solution, including:
    • Borders:
      • Israel has no valid claim to any part of the West Bank or Gaza Strip. However, in the interest of peace, we have been willing to discuss minor, equitable, and mutually-agreed territorial exchanges should we decide that it is in our interest to do so.

Most Respectfully,
R

"Where (exactly) is this authority to conduct hostile and violent resistance?"



UNGA Resolution 2649


Affirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples under colonial and alien domination recognized as being entitled to the right of self-determination to restore to themselves that right by any means at their disposal;

Recognizes the right of peoples under colonial and alien domination in the legitimate exercise of their right to self-determination to seek and receive all kinds of moral and material assistance, in accordance with the resolutions of the United Nations and the spirit of the Charter of the United Nations;

This covers both the right to resist by any means and the right to seek material assistance (including armament).

So go back and conjure up some new BS that you can fling around.

 

[Statistikhengst]

For the Zionutters the only unbiased evidence is Zionist propaganda. While waiting for the 2014 ratings, in 2013 it looks like Israel is still vying for last place in terms most unpopular countries and is still firmly entrenched in the pariah category.

"Israel, North Korea, Pakistan and Iran came out worst in terms of how they are viewed globally."

BBC News - BBC poll: Germany most popular country in the world

And, the BBC was not ever censured for the polls you lying s.o.s.

So, "Sborra in Bocca", time for some easy math:


7,000,000,000 homo sapiens on the planet.

26,000 homo sapiens in the survey


That it 0.00037% of the worlds population.

that is 37 ten-thousandths of 1%, smaller than the smallest drop of water you could imagine in a huge bucket.

The poll releases no internals. We do not know where those 26,000 are geographically located and if the proportions for such a ridiculous study are even close to what they should be.

For all we know, among the 26,000 interviewees, 500 are from the PA and only 6 are from Israel.

The poll is hardly representative.

It should be also noted that BBC's election polling is notorously off, almost as bad as Gallup is in the USA.


With enough criminal energy and a lot of propaganda, I could also make a poll look like 45% of people on the planet actually liked Hitler, a result I bet you would like, little Duce. But that doesn't mean it would be true.

Nuff said.
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[P F Tinmore]

So, your counterpoint is that Palestinian Resistance is not a threat to regional security and peace.

So, you think that the Palestinian's resistance to Israel's aggression is the problem not Israel's aggression itself?

 

[Phoenall]

well then dr. Weiner , what should that number be since scientific polling requires a certain number of valid responses?

26 000

Just as I thought Dr. Weiner, you were whining, but I doubt that extra polling would have brought Israel up from the dungeon of humanity.

Maybe a more scientific poll would and not one based on two questions, like this from the BBC

I would now like to ask your impressions of some specific countries.
M1A. Please tell me if you think each of the following countries is having a mainly positive or mainly negative influence in the world.
ROTATE
at) China
01 – Mainly positive
02 – Mainly negative
VOLUNTEERED (DO NOT READ)
03 – Depends
04 – Neither, neutral
99 – DK/NA
bt) France
ct) The United States
dt) The European Union
et) Japan
ft) Israel
gt) North Korea
ht) Canada
M1B. Please tell me if you think each of the following countries is having a mainly positive or mainly negative influence in the world.
ROTATE
at) The United Kingdom
01 – Mainly positive
02 – Mainly negative
VOLUNTEERED (DO NOT READ)
03 – Depends
04 – Neither, neutral
99 – DK/NA
bt) Russia
ct) India
dt) Iran
et) Brazil
ft) Pakistan
gt) Germany
ht) South Africa
it) South Korea

 

[P F Tinmore]

√ "Considering it equally essential that all States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in accordance with the Charter" (A/RES/25/2625).

Name a peaceful means that would work.

The Palestinians suggest enforcing international law.

What would you suggest?

 

[montelatici]

For the Zionutters the only unbiased evidence is Zionist propaganda. While waiting for the 2014 ratings, in 2013 it looks like Israel is still vying for last place in terms most unpopular countries and is still firmly entrenched in the pariah category.

"Israel, North Korea, Pakistan and Iran came out worst in terms of how they are viewed globally."

BBC News - BBC poll: Germany most popular country in the world

And, the BBC was not ever censured for the polls you lying s.o.s.

So, "Sborra in Bocca", time for some easy math:


7,000,000,000 homo sapiens on the planet.

26,000 homo sapiens in the survey


That it 0.00037% of the worlds population.

that is 37 ten-thousandths of 1%, smaller than the smallest drop of water you could imagine in a huge bucket.

The poll releases no internals. We do not know where those 26,000 are geographically located and if the proportions for such a ridiculous study are even close to what they should be.

For all we know, among the 26,000 interviewees, 500 are from the PA and only 6 are from Israel.

The poll is hardly representative.

It should be also noted that BBC's election polling is notorously off, almost as bad as Gallup is in the USA.


With enough criminal energy and a lot of propaganda, I could also make a poll look like 45% of people on the planet actually liked Hitler, a result I bet you would like, little Duce. But that doesn't mean it would be true.

Nuff said.
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Oh dear, yet another poll is consistent with the BBC poll:

"new poll commissioned by the European Commission show that Israel is believed by Europeans in 15 countries to be the greatest threat to world peace, greater than North Korea, Iran or Afghanistan."

European Poll: Israel Biggest Threat To World Peace | The Jewish Federations of North America

 

[RoccoR]

Phoenall, pbel, toastman, et al,

We've discussed this before - several times; the very same poll, and its flaws.

26 000

Just as I thought Dr. Weiner, you were whining, but I doubt that extra polling would have brought Israel up from the dungeon of humanity.

Maybe a more scientific poll would and not one based on two questions, like this from the BBC

I would now like to ask your impressions of some specific countries.

(COMMENT)

Our friend knows this is flawed. We outlined the nature of the poll in a previous discussion in the "The BDS Movement Is About Dismantling Israel" Thread (Post #64 03-30-2014, 11:45 AM).

Pro-Palestinian supporters periodically bring this poll to our attention, hoping that our memory is short and we won't remember. It has a good headline they can use as a sound bite.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

Rocco does not think that thousands of foreign settlers sent to Palestine by a foreign organization to take over the country and protected by the gun of a foreign superpower can be considered external interference.

That's because Rocco has a brain and knows the European were not sent there to take over anything and he also knows there was no Palestinian country then.

At least Rocco knows WHEN Palestine became on official State

Imagine debating with someone about a country and the other guy not only doesn't know when that country came into existence, but STILL argues about it after the truth was brought out to him.

That is what I said. Rocco bases his posts on false premise.

When I asked Rocco a question where the answer would prove me right and pushed him for a answer several times, he ducked and weaved and blew smoke but never answered that question.

No he just didn't give you the answer you wanted, he gave you the facts.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Good Faith - Peace Talk - Negotiations

The very thing the Palestinians are trying to weasel out of.

√ "Considering it equally essential that all States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in accordance with the Charter" (A/RES/25/2625).

Name a peaceful means that would work.

The Palestinians suggest enforcing international law.

What would you suggest?

(COMMENT)

Now who is evading the question?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

That's because Rocco has a brain and knows the European were not sent there to take over anything and he also knows there was no Palestinian country then.

At least Rocco knows WHEN Palestine became on official State

Imagine debating with someone about a country and the other guy not only doesn't know when that country came into existence, but STILL argues about it after the truth was brought out to him.

That is what I said. Rocco bases his posts on false premise.

When I asked Rocco a question where the answer would prove me right and pushed him for a answer several times, he ducked and weaved and blew smoke but never answered that question.

No he just didn't give you the answer you wanted, he gave you the facts.

Really, what was his answer?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Good Faith - Peace Talk - Negotiations

The very thing the Palestinians are trying to weasel out of.

√ "Considering it equally essential that all States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in accordance with the Charter" (A/RES/25/2625).

Name a peaceful means that would work.

The Palestinians suggest enforcing international law.

What would you suggest?

(COMMENT)

Now who is evading the question?

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians need to negotiate for their rights?

I see a basic flaw in that notion. Of course that is the basics of the forever failed peace process.

 

[Hossfly]

For the Zionutters the only unbiased evidence is Zionist propaganda. While waiting for the 2014 ratings, in 2013 it looks like Israel is still vying for last place in terms most unpopular countries and is still firmly entrenched in the pariah category.

"Israel, North Korea, Pakistan and Iran came out worst in terms of how they are viewed globally."

BBC News - BBC poll: Germany most popular country in the world

And, the BBC was not ever censured for the polls you lying s.o.s.

So, "Sborra in Bocca", time for some easy math:


7,000,000,000 homo sapiens on the planet.

26,000 homo sapiens in the survey


That it 0.00037% of the worlds population.

that is 37 ten-thousandths of 1%, smaller than the smallest drop of water you could imagine in a huge bucket.

The poll releases no internals. We do not know where those 26,000 are geographically located and if the proportions for such a ridiculous study are even close to what they should be.

For all we know, among the 26,000 interviewees, 500 are from the PA and only 6 are from Israel.

The poll is hardly representative.

It should be also noted that BBC's election polling is notorously off, almost as bad as Gallup is in the USA.


With enough criminal energy and a lot of propaganda, I could also make a poll look like 45% of people on the planet actually liked Hitler, a result I bet you would like, little Duce. But that doesn't mean it would be true.

Nuff said.
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Oh dear, yet another poll is consistent with the BBC poll:

"new poll commissioned by the European Commission show that Israel is believed by Europeans in 15 countries to be the greatest threat to world peace, greater than North Korea, Iran or Afghanistan."

European Poll: Israel Biggest Threat To World Peace | The Jewish Federations of North America

Hossfly's One Man Poll concluded that Russia is the worlds biggest threat to world peace as a country.
Hossfly's One Man Poll concluded that Al Qaeda is the worlds biggest threat to world peace as an entity.
Hossfly's concensus deems Al Qaeda to be the worlds biggest threat to peace. Without exception.
Screw all other polls.