I will not Bow!

[Hossfly]

That is what I said. Rocco bases his posts on false premise.

When I asked Rocco a question where the answer would prove me right and pushed him for a answer several times, he ducked and weaved and blew smoke but never answered that question.

No he just didn't give you the answer you wanted, he gave you the facts.

Really, what was his answer?

Basically, Tinmore, his answer was: Palestinians need to act like educated adults rather than permanently aroused hornets.

 

[Phoenall]

That is what I said. Rocco bases his posts on false premise.

When I asked Rocco a question where the answer would prove me right and pushed him for a answer several times, he ducked and weaved and blew smoke but never answered that question.

Pot, meet kettle.

Chance are, he's just returnin' the favor, Tinny...

Oh really? What question have I not answered?

Plenty

 

[Phoenall]

Oh really? What question have I not answered?

You answer most questions.
But rarely correctly..

I post actual legal documents not Israeli propaganda.

Shame on me.

No you post ISLAMONAZI documents and propaganda

 

[P F Tinmore]

No he just didn't give you the answer you wanted, he gave you the facts.

Really, what was his answer?

Basically, Tinmore, his answer was: Palestinians need to act like educated adults rather than permanently aroused hornets.

Of course those who bat the hornets nest are not responsible for anything.

 

[Phoenall]

The threat is from the occupier. The Palestinians merely respond. They are not aggressive.

So the threat to me and my family is from the pro Palestinian muslim invaders/occupiers. Does this mean I can bomb their children in school, fire bomb their mosques when prayers are taking place.
Because this is what you have just stated the pro Palestinian ISLAMONAZI TERRORIST SCUM can do as legitimate defence of palestine

How about the Israeli Hero Dr. Goldstein? Do you worship that murderer who shot people dead while praying in their Mosque?

Take your Meds.

While the balance of his mind was disturbed by the actions of the terrorists that had just tortured and defiled his friends before going to the mosque. But no answer can I act as you claim the Palestinians can act for the same reasons ?

 

[Phoenall]

Thank God most Americans are not like Defeat67's crowd who don't worry about the blood running in the streets of innocent people killed by their fellow Muslims since it is more important for them to demonize Israel. i guess Defeat67 is not warbling away like a canary on his usual anti-Israel European forums because the other posters are doing a fine job of demonizing Israel without his presence. He feels the readers are stupid enough here to believe every thing he says to demonize Israel, except that the majority of readers are smart enough to see right through this guy.

Such things like this are totally ignored by the ISLAMONAZI LYING PROPAGANDISTS, and this is a Palestinian source

UNRWA criticizes Palestinian infighting | JPost | Israel News

The UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) called on the different Palestinian factions Sunday to stop the infighting in order to solve a developing electricity crisis in Hamas-run Gaza.

The source is UNRWA for the hard of understanding ISLAMONAZI LTING PROPAGANDISTS.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/27/opinion/global/the-bane-of-palestinian-infighting.html?_r=0

But naming a new prime minister will accomplish little in furthering a settlement unless the Palestinians can also overcome the patronage, corruption and infighting in their security forces

Abu Toameh: Palestinian Infighting Makes Peace Unlikely :: The Investigative Project on Terrorism

The rivalry between Hamas in the Gaza Strip and Fatah in the West Bank is a major hurdle to any peace deal with Israel, writes Jerusalem Post reporter Khaled Abu Toameh, a former correspondent for the PLO newspaper Al Fajr.

"The fight between Hamas and Fatah is not a power struggle between good guys and bad guys: it is a rivalry between bad guys and bad guys," writes Abu Toameh in a column for the Hudson Institute. It is driven by a thirst for money and power.

Keeping the lie of "infighting" alive. It is the Palestinians V. a US proxy army.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGKzP9EhJMY]Iran-Contra 2.0- how bush armed Fatah to fight Hamas - YouTube[/ame]

So two ISLAMONAZI sources are wrong ?

 

[Phoenall]

The threat is from the occupier. The Palestinians merely respond. They are not aggressive.

So the threat to me and my family is from the pro Palestinian muslim invaders/occupiers. Does this mean I can bomb their children in school, fire bomb their mosques when prayers are taking place.

Because this is what you have just stated the pro Palestinian ISLAMONAZI TERRORIST SCUM can do as legitimate defence of palestine

Name calling.

you lose.

Have they been called that by the UN and Egypt, EU, America because of their terrorist acts. No name calling when ISLAMONAZI TERRORIST SCUM ARE INVOLVED

 

[Phoenall]

For the Zionutters the only unbiased evidence is Zionist propaganda. While waiting for the 2014 ratings, in 2013 it looks like Israel is still vying for last place in terms most unpopular countries and is still firmly entrenched in the pariah category.

"Israel, North Korea, Pakistan and Iran came out worst in terms of how they are viewed globally."

BBC News - BBC poll: Germany most popular country in the world

And, the BBC was not ever censured for the polls you lying s.o.s.

See mu post that gives the POLL in full, all 2 questions of it.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I see that, while I was out with my kids, that you had a couple issues with my posting.

Rocco posts full pages of excess verbosity based on false premise.

(COMMENT)

Yeah, we're funny like that.

If I answer in a short, abbreviated fashion, you want "links" and cherry pick the sound bites. If I anticipate your counter-point, you say it is "verbose" and full of "smoke;" but don't challenge the content; merely the manner of presentation.

(BACKGROUND & QUESTION)

So, your counterpoint is that Palestinian Resistance is not a threat to regional security and peace.

• So, if this is true, then why should any other country care about the dispute if it (as you claim) is harmless (not a threat) to them?

You are always quite nebulas as to the authority the Palestinians claim to conduct violent and hostile resistance.

• Where (exactly) is this authority to conduct hostile and violent resistance?
• Where is the exemption cited?

√ "Considering it equally essential that all States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in accordance with the Charter" (A/RES/25/2625).​

You are always quite careful to avoid a clear and concise answer to the questions about the current negotiating position of the Palestinians. The PLO Negotiations Affairs Department (NAD) is quite clear on the issue of borders and their position.

Do you agree with the PLO-NAD that:

• Key Facts
  • The 1967 border is the internationally-recognized border between Israel and the oPt.
  • A basic principle of international law is that no state may acquire territory by force. Israel has no valid claim to any part of the territory it occupied in 1967.
  • The international community does not recognize Israeli sovereignty over any part of the oPt, including East Jerusalem.

• Our Position
  • A number of border-related issues will need to be addressed during final status talks to achieve an end in conflict on the basis of the two-state solution, including:
    • Borders:
      • Israel has no valid claim to any part of the West Bank or Gaza Strip. However, in the interest of peace, we have been willing to discuss minor, equitable, and mutually-agreed territorial exchanges should we decide that it is in our interest to do so.

Most Respectfully,
R

"Where (exactly) is this authority to conduct hostile and violent resistance?"



UNGA Resolution 2649


Affirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples under colonial and alien domination recognized as being entitled to the right of self-determination to restore to themselves that right by any means at their disposal;

Recognizes the right of peoples under colonial and alien domination in the legitimate exercise of their right to self-determination to seek and receive all kinds of moral and material assistance, in accordance with the resolutions of the United Nations and the spirit of the Charter of the United Nations;

This covers both the right to resist by any means and the right to seek material assistance (including armament).

So go back and conjure up some new BS that you can fling around.

Well I believe that my country is under colonial and alien domination so can I use any means at my disposal to get rid of the muslim invaders ?

 

[Phoenall]

So, your counterpoint is that Palestinian Resistance is not a threat to regional security and peace.

So, you think that the Palestinian's resistance to Israel's aggression is the problem not Israel's aggression itself?

It is the Palestinians aggression to Israel's very existence that is the problem, and Jordan showed the way to cure this

 

[P F Tinmore]

I see that, while I was out with my kids, that you had a couple issues with my posting.

I didn't start it. Others brought you up. It seems that you are considered the intellectual elite of posters on this board. I agree. I appreciate your interaction. Of course that does not mean that I agree with you.

Most people just post drivel and clutter. They just throw stones and call names.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

This General Assembly Resolution is neither "international law" (non-binding) or applicable.

P F Tinmore, et al,

I see that, while I was out with my kids, that you had a couple issues with my posting.

Rocco posts full pages of excess verbosity based on false premise.

(COMMENT)

Yeah, we're funny like that.

If I answer in a short, abbreviated fashion, you want "links" and cherry pick the sound bites. If I anticipate your counter-point, you say it is "verbose" and full of "smoke;" but don't challenge the content; merely the manner of presentation.

(BACKGROUND & QUESTION)

So, your counterpoint is that Palestinian Resistance is not a threat to regional security and peace.

• So, if this is true, then why should any other country care about the dispute if it (as you claim) is harmless (not a threat) to them?

You are always quite nebulas as to the authority the Palestinians claim to conduct violent and hostile resistance.

• Where (exactly) is this authority to conduct hostile and violent resistance?
• Where is the exemption cited?

√ "Considering it equally essential that all States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in accordance with the Charter" (A/RES/25/2625).​

You are always quite careful to avoid a clear and concise answer to the questions about the current negotiating position of the Palestinians. The PLO Negotiations Affairs Department (NAD) is quite clear on the issue of borders and their position.

Do you agree with the PLO-NAD that:

• Key Facts
  • The 1967 border is the internationally-recognized border between Israel and the oPt.
  • A basic principle of international law is that no state may acquire territory by force. Israel has no valid claim to any part of the territory it occupied in 1967.
  • The international community does not recognize Israeli sovereignty over any part of the oPt, including East Jerusalem.

• Our Position
  • A number of border-related issues will need to be addressed during final status talks to achieve an end in conflict on the basis of the two-state solution, including:
    • Borders:
      • Israel has no valid claim to any part of the West Bank or Gaza Strip. However, in the interest of peace, we have been willing to discuss minor, equitable, and mutually-agreed territorial exchanges should we decide that it is in our interest to do so.

Most Respectfully,
R

"Where (exactly) is this authority to conduct hostile and violent resistance?"



UNGA Resolution 2649


Affirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples under colonial and alien domination recognized as being entitled to the right of self-determination to restore to themselves that right by any means at their disposal;

Recognizes the right of peoples under colonial and alien domination in the legitimate exercise of their right to self-determination to seek and receive all kinds of moral and material assistance, in accordance with the resolutions of the United Nations and the spirit of the Charter of the United Nations;

This covers both the right to resist by any means and the right to seek material assistance (including armament).

So go back and conjure up some new BS that you can fling around.

(COMMENT)

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2649 (XXV) (30 November 1970) lost applicability when, in November 1988, the PLO Declared Independence; realizing the right of self-determination for the Palestinian People.

By virtue of the natural, historical and legal right of the Palestinian Arab people to its homeland, Palestine, and of the sacrifices of its succeeding generations in defence of the freedom and independence of that homeland,

Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and

Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:

The Palestine National Council hereby declares, in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people, the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem.

SOURCE: A/43/827 S/20278 18 November 1988

Second, General Assembly Resolution 2649 (XXV) gave the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries; not to an enemy population engaged in hostile aggression. Palestine was not then, is not now and never been a "colonial asset" to any Allied Power. The West Bank and Gaza Strip were occupied as the result of a conflict between Egypt and Jordan (the Palestinians in the West Bank being Jordanians).

Since the time of the adoption of General Assembly Resolution 2649 (XXV) (30 November 1970), the General Assembly omitted using reference to the Resolution 2649, as exemplified by COMMISSION ON HUMAN RIGHTS, Fifty-first session
1995/4 Situation in occupied Palestine (specifically).

I repeat, yet again, there is no international law that gives the Palestinians the right to use Jihad, Fedayeen armed struggle, or any other hostile or violent means, to achieve their political ends.

While you did site General Assembly Resolution 2649 (XXV), you have yet to cite an authority (international law, treaty, or convention) that permits such action. The Rome Statutes, the Geneva Convention, and the Declaration of Principles all argue against the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State; including Israel or the United States.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

√ "Considering it equally essential that all States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in accordance with the Charter" (A/RES/25/2625).

Name a peaceful means that would work.

The Palestinians suggest enforcing international law.

What would you suggest?

Complying with Res 242 and 338 that says they have to sit down and talk peace as well as mutually agreed borders. Just as it says above, and not as you advocate continual terrorism and attacks on foreign nations.

 

[Phoenall]

That is what I said. Rocco bases his posts on false premise.

When I asked Rocco a question where the answer would prove me right and pushed him for a answer several times, he ducked and weaved and blew smoke but never answered that question.

No he just didn't give you the answer you wanted, he gave you the facts.

Really, what was his answer?

As I said THE FACTS, something that is totally alien to you.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Good Faith - Peace Talk - Negotiations

The very thing the Palestinians are trying to weasel out of.

Name a peaceful means that would work.

The Palestinians suggest enforcing international law.

What would you suggest?

(COMMENT)

Now who is evading the question?

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians need to negotiate for their rights?

I see a basic flaw in that notion. Of course that is the basics of the forever failed peace process.

They already have their rights they just need to negotiate a peace and borders.

 

[P F Tinmore]

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2649 (XXV) (30 November 1970) lost applicability when, in November 1988, the PLO Declared Independence; realizing the right of self-determination for the Palestinian People.

What circumstances were different that makes the 1988 declaration valid but not the 1948 declaration?

 

[Phoenall]

Really, what was his answer?

Basically, Tinmore, his answer was: Palestinians need to act like educated adults rather than permanently aroused hornets.

Of course those who bat the hornets nest are not responsible for anything.

Tell that to the ISLAMONAZI TERRORIST SCUM in Palestine.

 

[toastman]

I see that, while I was out with my kids, that you had a couple issues with my posting.

I didn't start it. Others brought you up. It seems that you are considered the intellectual elite of posters on this board. I agree. I appreciate your interaction. Of course that does not mean that I agree with you.

Most people just post drivel and clutter. They just throw stones and call names.

Which posters are you talking about?

 

[Phoenall]

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2649 (XXV) (30 November 1970) lost applicability when, in November 1988, the PLO Declared Independence; realizing the right of self-determination for the Palestinian People.

What circumstances were different that makes the 1988 declaration valid but not the 1948 declaration?

Because half the land was already declared by Israel who have the same rights as Palestine to free determination and secure borders. There was no treaty extant that gave all of Palestine to the Palestinians

 

[toastman]

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2649 (XXV) (30 November 1970) lost applicability when, in November 1988, the PLO Declared Independence; realizing the right of self-determination for the Palestinian People.

What circumstances were different that makes the 1988 declaration valid but not the 1948 declaration?

In 1948, they tried to declare independence on land ALREADY DECLARED INDEPENDENT by Israel.
Which is why they had to do it again in 1988.