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In connection with the Israel-Palestine conflict, and collateral topics such as the efficacy of various UN Resolutions, the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal, etc...

The child has, to date, repeatedly demonstrated an inability to distinguish Resolution from Statute, and Jurisdictional Competency from an absence of same. Repeated attempts at clarification, from multiple sources, have failed. It's pointless.
 
I don't make fun of the Law.
You think equating UN resolutions with toilet paper, is a sign of respect?
UN Resolutions are not International Law.

UN Resolutions oftentimes end-up carrying the same weight as a roll of toilet paper.

Mocking the ineffectiveness and practical prejudices of the UN in the context of anti-Israel UN Resolutions is a far cry from mocking or disrespecting International Law.

Your inability to mark and acknowledge that distinction is your barrier to understanding, not mine.

I am a law-abiding person, to the best of my own poor ability.
I guess that depends on how you define "law-abiding".
Abiding by the laws of my native land, paying my taxes, etc. - sufficient for our purposes here.

But, like every other human being on the face of the planet... I reserve to myself, the right to perceive Law as... 1. real 2. fair and unbiased 3. enforceable 4. consistently applied with respect to all parties 5. whether compliance risks personal or national survival or well-being ...and the UN Resolutions (toilet paper) that you cite do not meet any of the above five (5) sniff tests.
You have the right to perceive anything you want, but the law doesn't give a shit about your perceptions.
What law would that be?

UN Resolutions are not International Law.

Oh, and, when it comes to Law and Perception... our Founding Fathers perceived that the Law was stacked against them, and chose to disobey, and set it aside, and rebelled successfully, and created their own Law, as seemed best to them.

They are a joke, and, therefore, merit a good long belly laugh.
That maybe so, but the reason they are laws, is no joke.
UN Resolutions are not International Law.

Especially when doing so aggravates children and nasty wee boggits such as yourself.
Or so you desire.
One need look no further than your abusive language and petulant, childish insistence on UN Resolutions equating to International Law, to reach the logical and common-sense conclusion that this is so, all protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.

We are not dealing with the United States. We are dealing with Israel-Palestine. And our own country - the United States - was NOT founded upon the Rule of Law. This country was founded upon violent, bloody Revolution AGAINST lawful authority. Because our founders had the balls to tell lawful authority to go **** itself, when it became clear that the deck was stacked against them.
Okay, I'll give you that. Maybe "founded" wasn't the best choice of words.We are a country "based" on the rule of law.
It is mine whether you give it or not, but, for once, you get style-points for conceding same.

And 'founded' was not, indeed, the best choice of words, just as equating UN Resolutions with International Law is not the best choice of positions from which to launch an amateur -caliber legalistic tirade against Israel.

We only turned ourselves into a nation ruled by law after we established ourselves.
Because we saw what happened to a country ruled by a monarchy or a theocracy.
Just as the Jews (of Israel, and worldwide) have seen what happens when they put their trust in International Bodies and Law - 6,000,000 of them were slaughtered. Ever-so-slightly more impactful than simply living under a capricious monarchy.

Hell, regarding our dealings with indigenous natives and close neighbors, we only chose to begin abiding by the Law - such as it was - after we had expanded from coast to coast, and after we had taken what we needed and wanted.
Which is a black mark, this country will never live down.
Perhaps. It's what oftentimes happens during the formative years of a new nation, which is where the Israelis are at now, on their own national timeline. Nobody interfered with us. The Ummah is attempting to interfere with Israel. And failing, miserably.

Your world view is more closely akin to that of a Smurf than that of a Pragmatist or Realist.
I like to think my world view includes all 3 of those and then some.
You have much work ahead of you, pertaining to Pragmatism and Realism.

Game? Hardly. It's deadly serious. A game for Realists and Grown-Ups, not ***** Internationalists and Militant Muslim Apologists and Arab butt-buddy fifth-columnists who cry like whiny bitches when their irrelevancies aren't taken seriously.
Somebody got into the Black Velvet?
Nahhhhh... just spreading the love.

The UN Resolutions you cite have little value or force 'at law'
So much for "law-abiding"?
UN Resolutions are not International Law.

The UN is a toothless paper tiger that is only listened-to by nations when it suits them.
That's like saying you only obey the law when its convenient for you. Now that's bullshit and extremely biased.
By Jove, I think you've got it. That is exactly what nations do, in connection with the United Nations; at least, those nations beyond the realm of pipsqueaks who cannot stand on their own, and who must band together in order to sustain a discernible voice. Worldwide, we find a great many such examples since 1945. Most nations (including (Israel) scrupulously adhere-to and abide-by International Law insofar as such adherence does not impede safety or survival.

Solving differences peacefully, without the threat of violence, is "one-sided"?
Nope.

Solving differences peacefully in a manner acceptable to both sides is highly desirable.

Let us know when the UN manages to float proposals that will do just that, in connection with this conflict.

Respecting the inalienable rights of others, is "one-sided"?
Nope.

But when 'rights' and 'safety' are at-odds (such as they are in the context of Palestinian 'rights', versus the 'safety' of Israel), safety wins every time.

Every time.

In virtually every place and in virtually every era in the history of Man.

Every time.

These things happen, when one carves-out a new nation, to fill a vacuum such as the practical political vacuum that existed in Old Palestine at the termination of the Mandate in 1948.

Small and impotent peoples get displaced from time to time during the course of such events. Best to hurry the process along and get it over with, rather than dragging it out and prolonging the agony, pointlessly.

This displacement is effected by by squeezing them off their remaining few slivers of land and forcing them to seek subsistence elsewhere.

Laws against collectively punishing an entire population of people, who've committed no crime, is "one-sided"?
Nope.

And had they refrained from decades of international terrorism, and suicide bombings, and rocket-barrage campaigns, and Intifada I and Intifada II, and not fled in 1948, and not chosen the wrong side in the Arab-Israeli wars, and not elected a government led by a party judged as a terrorist organization, and not engaged in civil war amongst themselves and not diluted their focii, they could have leaned much more strongly and validly upon such a position.

They chose poorly.

They are now dealing with the consequences of those poor choices.

Their problem, not Israel's.

Resolutions created in response to human rights violations, is "one-sided"?
Absolutely. When they fail to take into account Cause and Effect. And when they are floated or supported or arm-twisted (for adoption) by nations and leagues of nations which routinely engage in repressive and egregious human rights violations themselves; in their cases, not as a matter of Safety or Survival Expediency, but as a matter of Religious or Cultural or Ethnic prejudice, or which, themselves, have long track records in exactly the same sort of repressive behaviors. Or much worse.

Laws against wars of aggression, the highest crime a nation can commit, is "religion" based?
Nope. The activism of the Arab League against Israel in the UN, in lining-up support for various UN Resolutions (which are not International Law) directed against Israel - cajoling other Muslim-dominated countries beyond the League, and arm-twisting the votes of other nations who are dependent upon Arab oil, is, ultimately, religion-based.

If you-and-yours see enforceable violations of Law at work, you are free to bring charges before a suitable and legally competent Judicial Body, tasked with Trial and Judgment and Enforcement.
And if me-and-mine don't, you-and-your "law-abiding" ilk, will just keep on mocking the law and defending crimes against humanity?
UN Resolutions are not International Law.

I see no such charges having been judged or in the process of trial by any Jursidictionally Competent legal authority, which speaks volumes about your allegations.

I'd try the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal, if I were you.
Is that when you try to tell me an appellate court judge, doesn't know the law?
Never happened.

That's where I tell you that such privately-funded (by Muslim funding, no less!) extra-judicial kangaroo courts like that - disavowed by the countries in which they are based, no less - have no competency at-law to try such matters; lacking the Jurisdiction and Authority to do so.

Your continued inability to grasp that concept and to acknowledge its correctness is not my cross to bear.

Are we done with your latest Tourettes outburst yet?
...I dunno.....maybe?
We can always hope against hope.
 
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UN Resolutions are not International Law.
Yeah, right!

International Law
The body of law that governs the legal relations between or among states or nations
That's just the classical definition.
UN Resolutions oftentimes end-up carrying the same weight as a roll of toilet paper.

Mocking the ineffectiveness and practical prejudices of the UN in the context of anti-Israel UN Resolutions is a far cry from mocking or disrespecting International Law.
The Axis Powers thought the same way.


Your inability to mark and acknowledge that distinction is your barrier to understanding, not mine.
Psychologists call that projection.

Abiding by the laws of my native land, paying my taxes, etc. - sufficient for our purposes here.
But not sufficient for someone claiming to be an American.

What law would that be?

UN Resolutions are not International Law.
Oh really?

The UN Charter contains a supremacy clause that makes it the highest authority of international law.
Now what were you saying?


Oh, and, when it comes to Law and Perception... our Founding Fathers perceived that the Law was stacked against it, and chose to disobey, and set it aside, and rebelled against it, successfully.


UN Resolutions are not International Law.
See above.

One need look no further than your abusive language and petulant, childish insistence on UN Resolutions equating to International Law, to reach the logical and common-sense conclusion that this is so, all protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.
Whenever someone uses abusive language, that means UN resolutions are not International Law?

You call that logical?

It is mine whether you give it or not, but, for once, you get style-points for conceding same.

And 'founded' was not, indeed, the best choice of words, just as equating UN Resolutions with International Law is not the best choice of positions from which to launch an amateur -caliber legalistic tirade against Israel.
Then what is?

Just as the Jews (of Israel, and worldwide) have seen what happens when they put their trust in International Bodies and Law - 6,000,000 of them were slaughtered. Ever-so-slightly more impactful than simply living under a capricious monarchy.
And yet, you mock those international bodies that were created in response to that slaughter?

Perhaps. It's what oftentimes happens during the formative years of a new nation, which is where the Israelis are at now, on their own national timeline. Nobody interfered with us. The Ummah is attempting to interfere with Israel. And failing, miserably.
Like Nazi Germany in the '30's?

UN Resolutions are not International Law.
See above.

By Jove, I think you've got it. That is exactly what nations do, in connection with the United Nations; at least, those nations beyond the realm of pipsqueaks who cannot stand on their own, and who must band together in order to sustain a discernible voice. Worldwide, we find a great many such examples since 1945.
Granted, no one is doing what Israel is doing, since WWII.

Nope.

Solving differences peacefully in a manner acceptable to both sides is highly desirable.

Let us know when the UN manages to float proposals that will do just that, in connection with this conflict.
And just what proposals would you float to solve the differences between Nazi Germany and Poland?
Nope.

But when 'rights' and 'safety' are at-odds (such as they are in the context of Palestinian 'rights', versus the 'safety' of Israel), safety wins every time.
I agree. It's not very safe deliberately stripping others of their inalienable rights.

These things happen, when one carves-out a new nation, to fill a vacuum such as the practical political vacuum that existed in Old Palestine at the termination of the Mandate in 1948.
Just like an East LA street gang moving into an Orange County neighborhood and realizing the local sheriffs have vacated the area and have no intention of returning. What do you think is going to happen to the residents of said area?
Small and impotent peoples get displaced from time to time during the course of such events. Best to hurry the process along and get it over with, rather than dragging it out.
Are you suggesting Palestinian's should be put on "trains", to hurry the process along?
This is being done by squeezing them off their remaining few slivers of land and forcing them to seek subsistence elsewhere.
Are you quoting heir Goebbels, or heir Herzl?

Nope.

And had they refrained from decades of international terrorism, and suicide bombings, and rocket-barrage campaigns, and Intifada I and Intifada II, and not fled in 1948, and not chosen the wrong side in the Arab-Israeli wars, and not elected a government led by a party judged as a terrorist organization, and not engaged in civil war amongst themselves and not diluted their focii, they could have leaned much more strongly and validly upon such a position.
Resistance is not terrorism; so bombings are okay, as long as you don't kill yourself?; rocket-barrages started in 2001, 37 years after the occupation began; the Intifada's were the effect, not the cause; fleeing a country to save your (and your family's) life, is wrong?;

They chose poorly.
so if the Jews had chosen Germany...
They are now dealing with the consequences of those poor choices.
Is that your Final Solution?

Their problem, not Israel's.
You consider you building a fence across my driveway, preventing me access to my own car, my "choice" and my "problem"?

Absolutely. When they fail to take into account Cause and Effect.
Like when you strip others of their inalienable rights?

And when they are floated or supported or arm-twisted (for adoption) by nations and leagues of nations which routinely engage in repressive and egregious human rights violations themselves; in their cases, not as a matter of Safety or Survival Expediency, but as a matter of Religious or Cultural or Ethnic prejudice, or which, themselves, have long track records in exactly the same sort of repressive behaviors. Or much worse.
So murder is not illegal, if the accuser happens to be another murderer?

Nope. The activism of the Arab League against Israel in the UN, in lining-up support for various UN Resolutions (which are not International Law) directed against Israel - cajoling other Muslim-dominated countries beyond the League, and arm-twisting the votes of other nations who are dependent upon Arab oil, is, ultimately, religion-based.
Then just what is "International Law"?

UN Resolutions are not International Law.
See above.
I see no such charges having been judged or in the process of trial by any Jursidictionally Competent legal authority, which speaks volumes about your allegations.
Like the ICC?

Never happened.

That's where I tell you that such privately-funded (by Muslim funding, no less!) extra-judicial kangaroo courts like that - disavowed by the countries in which they are based, no less - have no competency at-law to try such matters; lacking the Jurisdiction and Authority to do so.
Coming from someone who supports a country practicing administrative detention.

Gimme some of that justice!
Your continued inability to grasp that concept and to acknowledge its correctness is not my cross to bear.
But your inabilities are.
We can always hope against hope.
Go **** yourself!
 
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UN Resolutions are not International Law.
Yeah, right!

International Law
The body of law that governs the legal relations between or among states or nations
That's just the classical definition.
The Axis Powers thought the same way.


Psychologists call that projection.

But not sufficient for someone claiming to be an American.

Oh really?

Now what were you saying?


See above.

Whenever someone uses abusive language, that means UN resolutions are not International Law?

You call that logical?

Then what is?

And yet, you mock those international bodies that were created in response to that slaughter?

Like Nazi Germany in the '30's?

See above.

Granted, no one is doing what Israel is doing, since WWII.

And just what proposals would you float to solve the differences between Nazi Germany and Poland?
I agree. It's not very safe deliberately stripping others of their inalienable rights.

Just like an East LA street gang moving into an Orange County neighborhood and realizing the local sheriffs have vacated the area and have no intention of returning. What do you think is going to happen to the residents of said area?
Are you suggesting Palestinian's should be put on "trains", to hurry the process along?
Are you quoting heir Goebbels, or heir Herzl?

Resistance is not terrorism; so bombings are okay, as long as you don't kill yourself?; rocket-barrages started in 2001, 37 years after the occupation began; the Intifada's were the effect, not the cause; fleeing a country to save your (and your family's) life, is wrong?;

so if the Jews had chosen Germany...
Is that your Final Solution?

You consider you building a fence across my driveway, preventing me access to my own car, my "choice" and my "problem"?

Like when you strip others of their inalienable rights?

So murder is not illegal, if the accuser happens to be another murderer?

Then just what is "International Law"?

See above.
Like the ICC?

Coming from someone who supports a country practicing administrative detention.

Gimme some of that justice!
Your continued inability to grasp that concept and to acknowledge its correctness is not my cross to bear.
But your inabilities are.
We can always hope against hope.
Go **** yourself!

Cool! Another arab lover who thinks anyone pays attention to the UN or their meaningless scraps of paper. If the Pals want regular rights back, they just have to surrender, it did wonders for Japan who is now a valued ally to the US and the western world.
 
UN Resolutions are not International Law.
Yeah, right!

International Law
The body of law that governs the legal relations between or among states or nations
That's just the classical definition.
The Axis Powers thought the same way.
We can always hope against hope.
Go **** yourself!

As always, the extent of your "knowledge" and "logic" boils down to your final statement ("Go **** yourself").
Just as our governing bodies pass resolutions that have no power in law, so to does the UN.
The following is from K12 Homeschool. Evidently your schooling didn't cover this:

"Resolutions are essentially meaningless. They allow the legislature to recognize people, events, groups, issues without actually making law. We pass a resolution declaring that next Tuesday is Butterfly Day. We pass a resolution to recognize the contribution of worms to the health of California soil. We pass a resolution honoring the sacrifices of armed service members in this or that conflict (I made all those up). We don’t make any laws protecting butterflies, or worms, or providing services to the soldiers, by passing a resolution; it’s just a feel-good measure.
They don’t have the force of law."

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...uYCADQ&usg=AFQjCNG1xPM_fp-S3yHsoOzHLsjixYmuKA
 
UN Resolutions are not International Law.
Yeah, right!

That's just the classical definition.
The Axis Powers thought the same way.
We can always hope against hope.
Go **** yourself!

As always, the extent of your "knowledge" and "logic" boils down to your final statement ("Go **** yourself").
Just as our governing bodies pass resolutions that have no power in law, so to does the UN.
The following is from K12 Homeschool. Evidently your schooling didn't cover this:

"Resolutions are essentially meaningless. They allow the legislature to recognize people, events, groups, issues without actually making law. We pass a resolution declaring that next Tuesday is Butterfly Day. We pass a resolution to recognize the contribution of worms to the health of California soil. We pass a resolution honoring the sacrifices of armed service members in this or that conflict (I made all those up). We donÂ’t make any laws protecting butterflies, or worms, or providing services to the soldiers, by passing a resolution; itÂ’s just a feel-good measure.
They donÂ’t have the force of law."

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...uYCADQ&usg=AFQjCNG1xPM_fp-S3yHsoOzHLsjixYmuKA

It is true that the UN does not create law. However, they do reference and define existing law. If the UN says something like "It is inadmissible to acquire land through the threat or use of force." they are merely referencing an already existing law.
 
et al,

The argument over what constitutes the body of International Law and that of Human Rights Law is, without a doubt, controversial. Some even argue that it is all illusory; in that most of the laws and rights having gone either unenforceable or largely unrealized. The Declaration on Human Rights in Islam is little more that two decades old. Even in the complex world of the League of Arab States (LAS), it has only been six years that the Arab Charter on Human Rights entered into force (15 March 2008). Both are considered by many (including myself) to be monumental achievements in the codification of the basic principles, not so very different in form from that of the Western World. Yet, as eloquent as they are, they are equally as dangerous:

Arab Charter on Human Rights said:
Article 2

1. All peoples have the right of self-determination and to control over their natural wealth and resources, and the right to freely choose their political system and to freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

2. All peoples have the right to national sovereignty and territorial integrity.

3. All forms of racism, Zionism and foreign occupation and domination constitute an impediment to human dignity and a major barrier to the exercise of the fundamental rights of peoples; all such practices must be condemned and efforts must be deployed for their elimination.

4. All peoples have the right to resist foreign occupation.

SOURCE: Arab Charter on Human Rights

It does insert the political issue of the day, as you can see. The Charter has been ratified by by 13 Arab States:

Are the rights real or illusionary. Are any of the countries that ratified these rights better off now then they were before?

Most Respectfully,
R
 
UN Resolutions are not International Law.
Yeah, right!...
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Most experts[1] consider most General Assembly resolutions to be non-binding. Articles 10 and 14 of the UN Charter refer to General Assembly as "recommendations"; the recommendatory nature of General Assembly resolutions has repeatedly been stressed by the International Court of Justice.[2] However, some General Assembly resolutions dealing with matters internal to the United Nations, such as budgetary decisions or instructions to lower-ranking organs, are clearly binding on their addressees...

Under Article 25 of the Charter, UN member states are bound to carry out "decisions of the Security Council in accordance with the present Charter". Resolutions made under Chapter VII are considered binding, but resolutions under Chapter VI have no enforcement mechanisms and are generally considered to have no binding force under international law. In 1971, however, a majority of the then International Court of Justice (ICJ) members asserted in the non-binding Namibia advisory opinion that all UN Security Council resolutions are legally binding.[3] This assertion by the ICJ has been countered by Erika De Wet and others.[4] De Wet argues that Chapter VI resolutions cannot be binding...

In practice, the Security Council does not consider its decisions outside Chapter VII to be binding.[4]

It has been proposed that a binding triad of conditions—a supermajority of the number of nations voting, whose populations and contributions in dues to the UN budget form a majority of the total—make a General Assembly resolution binding on all nations; the proposal has gone nowhere...

United Nations resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Yeah, right.

Thus endeth the lesson.


International Law
The body of law that governs the legal relations between or among states or nations[/I]
That's just the classical definition.
UN Resolutions are not part of the body of law which governs the legal relations between or among states or nations.

No charge for reinforcing the lesson.

UN Resolutions oftentimes end-up carrying the same weight as a roll of toilet paper. Mocking the ineffectiveness and practical prejudices of the UN in the context of anti-Israel UN Resolutions is a far cry from mocking or disrespecting International Law.
The Axis Powers thought the same way.
The Axis Powers thought that UN Resolutions against Israel were a joke?

There are a great many people of goodwill and common sense who think that the UN in general is a joke, never mind those who think that the UN is inherently biased against Israel.

And none of them have anything whatsoever to do with fascism.

Disagreeing with your perspective on the United Nations does not equate to fascist behaviors nor inclinations; all disingenuous Godwin-isms to the contrary, notwithstanding.

Your inability to mark and acknowledge that distinction is your barrier to understanding, not mine.
Psychologists call that projection.
Immaterial. The observation stands.

Abiding by the laws of my native land, paying my taxes, etc. - sufficient for our purposes here.
But not sufficient for someone claiming to be an American.
Come back when you've got a DD-214 to back up your words, boy, and then I'll consider weighing your horseshit opinion on what constitutes being an American.

What law would that be? UN Resolutions are not International Law.
Oh really?
Really. Already addressed.

The UN Charter contains a supremacy clause that makes it the highest authority of international law.
Now what were you saying?
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"...The UN Charter contains a supremacy clause that makes it the highest authority of international law. The clause states that the UN Charter shall prevail in the event of a conflict between the obligations of the members of the United Nations under the present charter and their obligations under any other international agreement..."

International Law legal definition of International Law. International Law synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

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Only with respect to the Charter itself, NOT with respect to UNGA Resolutions.

Only with respect to disputes between members, not members and non-members, or between members and pseudo-members.

Go back and re-read your own linked article more thoroughly.

Tee-hee.

Whenever someone uses abusive language, that means UN resolutions are not International Law? You call that logical?
Nope.

One need look no further than your abusive language and petulant, childish insistence on UN Resolutions equating to International Law, to reach the common-sense conclusion that DENYING such force of law to UN Resolutions aggravates you and those who think like you in this context.

It is mine whether you give it or not, but, for once, you get style-points for conceding same. And 'founded' was not, indeed, the best choice of words, just as equating UN Resolutions with International Law is not the best choice of positions from which to launch an amateur -caliber legalistic tirade against Israel.
Then what is?
You must figure this out for yourself. In an adversarial role, it is not up to me to do your homework for you.

Just as the Jews (of Israel, and worldwide) have seen what happens when they put their trust in International Bodies and Law - 6,000,000 of them were slaughtered. Ever-so-slightly more impactful than simply living under a capricious monarchy.
And yet, you mock those international bodies that were created in response to that slaughter?
Yep.

I do not mock the concept.

I mock what the UN has become.

I mock the one-sided anti-Israel lobby within the UN General Assembly; fueled as it is by the various nations within the domain of Islam, and supported in whole or in part by those nations which must kiss Arab ass in order to obtain the oil they need.

I mock the outputs of an organization which tells Israel, for all intents and purposes: "You must comply with our wishes or commands, even though this might result in national suicide - slowly or quickly - in order to remain in our good graces. And you must trust in our protection, to offset any dangers you might be exposed to, during the course of such compliance."

Just as I mock any fool who tries to sell that train-car full of horse manure, and actually thinks he'll find enough gullible sheep in order to make such an approach operative.

Perhaps. It's what oftentimes happens during the formative years of a new nation, which is where the Israelis are at now, on their own national timeline. Nobody interfered with us. The Ummah is attempting to interfere with Israel. And failing, miserably.
Like Nazi Germany in the '30's?
What does that have to do with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

Nope. Solving differences peacefully in a manner acceptable to both sides is highly desirable. Let us know when the UN manages to float proposals that will do just that, in connection with this conflict.
And just what proposals would you float to solve the differences between Nazi Germany and Poland?
What does that have to do with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

Nope. But when 'rights' and 'safety' are at-odds (such as they are in the context of Palestinian 'rights', versus the 'safety' of Israel), safety wins every time.
I agree. It's not very safe deliberately stripping others of their inalienable rights.
Quite possibly. Then again, granting a right (such as Right of Return) is tantamount to suicide. Danger is always preferable to actual death.

These things happen, when one carves-out a new nation, to fill a vacuum such as the practical political vacuum that existed in Old Palestine at the termination of the Mandate in 1948.]
Just like an East LA street gang moving into an Orange County neighborhood and realizing the local sheriffs have vacated the area and have no intention of returning. What do you think is going to happen to the residents of said area?
Any old resident with a lick of common sense and two quarters to rub together will get the hell outta there and stay outta there.

Small and impotent peoples get displaced from time to time during the course of such events. Best to hurry the process along and get it over with, rather than dragging it out.
Are you suggesting Palestinian's should be put on "trains", to hurry the process along?
Nope.

But an international humanitarian effort to relocate the Palestinians seems to be in order; finding them homes in countries willing to accept a number of them, helping them to relocate, and to set themselves up, to become productive in their new environments.

The Palestinians have lost, and we do them no favors in encouraging them to continue a hopeless struggle that they cannot possibly win, and thereby prolonging the agony.

Just like in sandlot ball... when you lose the coin-toss or bat-grab... Suckers Walk.

It has come down to that, for those poor bastards; they've lost; it's over; time to go.

This is being done by squeezing them off their remaining few slivers of land and forcing them to seek subsistence elsewhere...
Are you quoting heir Goebbels, or heir Herzl?
Neither. I am faithfully interpreting what is happening as we speak.

Resistance is not terrorism...
It is, when you, or your surrogates and sympathizers, kill athletes at an Olympic Games, or hijack a cruise ship and push old crippled folk over the siderails, or hijack an airliner and threaten to kill a subset of the passengers, or detonate a bomb in an airborne craft, or yadda, yadda, yadda... the reference was to their international terrorist operations, and not domestic resistance.

...so bombings are okay, as long as you don't kill yourself?...
Bombings directed against military targets are one thing. Deliberate targetings of civilians (by anyone) are quite another. And the Palestinians have shot themselves in the foot and forevermore soiled their image by launching such attacks against civilians.

...rocket-barrages started in 2001, 37 years after the occupation began...
Continuing to draw blood after you have lost is pointless and downright stupid.

... the Intifada's were the effect, not the cause...
Continuing to draw blood after you have lost is pointless and downright stupid.

fleeing a country to save your (and your family's) life, is wrong?...
Nope. But clearing-out at the behest or orders of the losing side in a war and siding with them puts you in a uniquely difficult position, in trying to return and to assert your claims. A difficulty that the Palestinians are simply not going to be able to overcome.

They chose poorly.
so if the Jews had chosen Germany...
Childish Godwin-esque analogy. The Muslim-Arab Palestinians who chose to stay, and who did not choose the wrong side, are now fully-fledged and vested Israeli citizens.

They are now dealing with the consequences of those poor choices.
Is that your Final Solution?
Nope. But we have no time machine with which the Palestinians can travel backwards in time to un-do the stupid decisions they've made in the past 66 years. The situation is what it is.

The only practical hope of breaking the deadlock is to mount that International Humanitarian Effort to Relocate the Palestinians; preferably under the auspices of the United Nations, et al., but without that body, if needs be.

No other solution will signify, in the long run.

Their problem, not Israel's.
You consider you building a fence across my driveway, preventing me access to my own car, my "choice" and my "problem"?
Indeed I do. The Palestinians are suffering the consequences of their own foolhardiness and intransigence. When your bombings and rocketry have forced me to take that approach, in order to keep my own family safe, and when you cannot stop me from building that fence, it is, indeed, your problem, not mine.

Absolutely. When they fail to take into account Cause and Effect.
Like when you strip others of their inalienable rights?
Yep. That too. But we get ourselves into a Chickend-and-the-Egg situation... which came first... and must establish a middle-ground or baseline, in order to untangle the knot. Starting from either polar-opposite simply will not do, regardless of how tempting that is or how righteous that sounds. Nor will a solution which endangers Israel. The Palestinians have a well-deserved reputation for an inability to find and work-with a middle-ground as a point of departure, or as an outcome, and, therefore, have blown one chance after another, over the decades, until, finally, they have run out of chances.

And when they are floated or supported or arm-twisted (for adoption) by nations and leagues of nations which routinely engage in repressive and egregious human rights violations themselves; in their cases, not as a matter of Safety or Survival Expediency, but as a matter of Religious or Cultural or Ethnic prejudice, or which, themselves, have long track records in exactly the same sort of repressive behaviors. Or much worse
So murder is not illegal, if the accuser happens to be another murderer?
I neither understand the reference nor how you derived that from its accompanying text.

Nope. The activism of the Arab League against Israel in the UN, in lining-up support for various UN Resolutions (which are not International Law) directed against Israel - cajoling other Muslim-dominated countries beyond the League, and arm-twisting the votes of other nations who are dependent upon Arab oil, is, ultimately, religion-based.
Then just what is "International Law"?
I neither understand the reference nor how you derived that from the accompanying text.

I see no such charges having been judged or in the process of trial by any Jursidictionally Competent legal authority, which speaks volumes about your allegations.
Like the ICC?
Sure. Are such charges being tried or are they scheduled to be tried by the ICC? Does the ICC have jurisdiction? Is Israel a current signatory to the Rome Treaty?

Never happened. That's where I tell you that such privately-funded (by Muslim funding, no less!) extra-judicial kangaroo courts like that - disavowed by the countries in which they are based, no less - have no competency at-law to try such matters; lacking the Jurisdiction and Authority to do so.
Coming from someone who supports a country practicing administrative detention. Gimme some of that justice!
Immaterial.

You made a false claim in connection with me supposedly telling you that a judge was incompetent, and were outed for that false claim.

My focus was always (and clearly) a matter of Competency At-Law; specifically, Jurisdictional Competency and Accountability and Neutrality.

Your continued inability to grasp that concept and to acknowledge its correctness is not my cross to bear.
But your inabilities are.
Damned weak mojo there, boy.

We can always hope against hope.
Go **** yourself!
Weaker still, boy.
 
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RoccoR said:
The argument over what constitutes the body of International Law and that of Human Rights Law is, without a doubt, controversial. Some even argue that it is all illusory; in that most of the laws and rights having gone either unenforceable or largely unrealized.

International law is rarely and selectively enforced. Generally, if someone has a friend who is a permanent member on the Security Council he can literally get away with murder.

The purpose of the BDS movement is to force compliance/enforcement of international law.
 
RoccoR said:
The argument over what constitutes the body of International Law and that of Human Rights Law is, without a doubt, controversial. Some even argue that it is all illusory; in that most of the laws and rights having gone either unenforceable or largely unrealized.

International law is rarely and selectively enforced. Generally, if someone has a friend who is a permanent member on the Security Council he can literally get away with murder.

The purpose of the BDS movement is to force compliance/enforcement of international law.

How does BDS plan to force Israel to do so??
 
RoccoR said:
The argument over what constitutes the body of International Law and that of Human Rights Law is, without a doubt, controversial. Some even argue that it is all illusory; in that most of the laws and rights having gone either unenforceable or largely unrealized.

International law is rarely and selectively enforced. Generally, if someone has a friend who is a permanent member on the Security Council he can literally get away with murder.

The purpose of the BDS movement is to force compliance/enforcement of international law.
And here I thought that the purpose of the BDS movement was to harm Israel in ways that cannot be attained through application of International Law...
 
RoccoR said:
The argument over what constitutes the body of International Law and that of Human Rights Law is, without a doubt, controversial. Some even argue that it is all illusory; in that most of the laws and rights having gone either unenforceable or largely unrealized.

International law is rarely and selectively enforced. Generally, if someone has a friend who is a permanent member on the Security Council he can literally get away with murder.

The purpose of the BDS movement is to force compliance/enforcement of international law.
And here I thought that the purpose of the BDS movement was to harm Israel in ways that cannot be attained through application of International Law...

You have the Israeli propaganda version.
 
International law is rarely and selectively enforced. Generally, if someone has a friend who is a permanent member on the Security Council he can literally get away with murder.

The purpose of the BDS movement is to force compliance/enforcement of international law.
And here I thought that the purpose of the BDS movement was to harm Israel in ways that cannot be attained through application of International Law...

You have the Israeli propaganda version.

Then answer my post above....
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

The enforcement of the Declaration of Principles, the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, the Affirmation of Human Rights, the Fourth Geneva Convention 1949,, the Rome Statues of the ICC, (and other landmark concepts, protocols and conventions) depends on a number of both standards and practical conditions, the least of which is a Rabbi in the Security Council.

RoccoR said:
The argument over what constitutes the body of International Law and that of Human Rights Law is, without a doubt, controversial. Some even argue that it is all illusory; in that most of the laws and rights having gone either unenforceable or largely unrealized.

International law is rarely and selectively enforced. Generally, if someone has a friend who is a permanent member on the Security Council he can literally get away with murder.

The purpose of the BDS movement is to force compliance/enforcement of international law.
(COMMENT)

While the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) is an outspoken device employed against the State of Israel, it is actually a minor consequence in the overall instruments used for settlement.

The lack of major enforcement measures and sanctions against the Jewish State is due primarily because neither side clearly in the absolute right, and Israel [unlike the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP)] doesn't pose --- or even threaten to pose, a deadly threat against the any NATO/EU Nation. In fact, the last thing any of the G-8, NATO/EU, or the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) nations want is to become entangled in a political-military or political-economic conflict in which they have no reasonable expectation of a satisfactory outcome. The HoAP [unlike the Jewish State (Israel)] have not reinvested in there economic infrastructure to and degree that they can actually offer the G-8, NATO/EU, or the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC).

Most Respectfully,
R
 
RoccoR said:
The argument over what constitutes the body of International Law and that of Human Rights Law is, without a doubt, controversial. Some even argue that it is all illusory; in that most of the laws and rights having gone either unenforceable or largely unrealized.

International law is rarely and selectively enforced. Generally, if someone has a friend who is a permanent member on the Security Council he can literally get away with murder.

The purpose of the BDS movement is to force compliance/enforcement of international law.

How does BDS plan to force Israel to do so??

Israel says that it can go it alone, but the truth is that Israel has always relied on external support. This support is starting to dry up.

Some say that BDS is nothing to worry about . Israel spends a a lot of time and resources to counter BDS so it is really a lot more than nothing.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

The enforcement of the Declaration of Principles, the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, the Affirmation of Human Rights, the Fourth Geneva Convention 1949,, the Rome Statues of the ICC, (and other landmark concepts, protocols and conventions) depends on a number of both standards and practical conditions, the least of which is a Rabbi in the Security Council.

RoccoR said:
The argument over what constitutes the body of International Law and that of Human Rights Law is, without a doubt, controversial. Some even argue that it is all illusory; in that most of the laws and rights having gone either unenforceable or largely unrealized.

International law is rarely and selectively enforced. Generally, if someone has a friend who is a permanent member on the Security Council he can literally get away with murder.

The purpose of the BDS movement is to force compliance/enforcement of international law.
(COMMENT)

While the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) is an outspoken device employed against the State of Israel, it is actually a minor consequence in the overall instruments used for settlement.

The lack of major enforcement measures and sanctions against the Jewish State is due primarily because neither side clearly in the absolute right, and Israel [unlike the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP)] doesn't pose --- or even threaten to pose, a deadly threat against the any NATO/EU Nation. In fact, the last thing any of the G-8, NATO/EU, or the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) nations want is to become entangled in a political-military or political-economic conflict in which they have no reasonable expectation of a satisfactory outcome. The HoAP [unlike the Jewish State (Israel)] have not reinvested in there economic infrastructure to and degree that they can actually offer the G-8, NATO/EU, or the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC).

Most Respectfully,
R

or even threaten to pose, a deadly threat against the any NATO/EU Nation.

Palestine does not threaten anybody.
 
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International law is rarely and selectively enforced. Generally, if someone has a friend who is a permanent member on the Security Council he can literally get away with murder.

The purpose of the BDS movement is to force compliance/enforcement of international law.

How does BDS plan to force Israel to do so??

Israel says that it can go it alone, but the truth is that Israel has always relied on external support. This support is starting to dry up.

Some say that BDS is nothing to worry about . Israel spends a a lot of time and resources to counter BDS so it is really a lot more than nothing.

External support?? What a load of BS. Israel has support from the U.S only, from what I see.
And you have no idea what Israel would be like without alone.
The Palestinians on the other hand would shrivel like a prune without external support.

Also, you didn't come close to answering my question..
 
How does BDS plan to force Israel to do so??

Israel says that it can go it alone, but the truth is that Israel has always relied on external support. This support is starting to dry up.

Some say that BDS is nothing to worry about . Israel spends a a lot of time and resources to counter BDS so it is really a lot more than nothing.

External support?? What a load of BS. Israel has support from the U.S only, from what I see.
And you have no idea what Israel would be like without alone.
The Palestinians on the other hand would shrivel like a prune without external support.

Also, you didn't come close to answering my question..

Israel has support from the U.S only, from what I see.

The EU is currently Israel's largest trading partner by far but:

"EU envoy: Israel will find itself increasingly isolated"

"The EU has grown especially frustrated by Israel's repeated announcement since the talks started of new Jewish settlement building on land the Palestinians want for their future state."

"If Israel were to go down the road of continued settlement expansion and were there not to be any result in the current talks, I am afraid that what will transpire is a situation where Israel finds itself increasingly isolated," he said

"A major private Dutch pension fund announced earlier this month that it was divesting from five large Israeli banks because of their operations in the settlements, and Norwegian and Swedish funds are considering similar moves."
 
RoccoR said:
The argument over what constitutes the body of International Law and that of Human Rights Law is, without a doubt, controversial. Some even argue that it is all illusory; in that most of the laws and rights having gone either unenforceable or largely unrealized.

International law is rarely and selectively enforced. Generally, if someone has a friend who is a permanent member on the Security Council he can literally get away with murder.

The purpose of the BDS movement is to force compliance/enforcement of international law.



Not any more as the right wing extremists have taken it over to preach their Jew hatred, that is why so many nations have banned on racism/civil rights laws.
 
International law is rarely and selectively enforced. Generally, if someone has a friend who is a permanent member on the Security Council he can literally get away with murder.

The purpose of the BDS movement is to force compliance/enforcement of international law.

How does BDS plan to force Israel to do so??

Israel says that it can go it alone, but the truth is that Israel has always relied on external support. This support is starting to dry up.

Some say that BDS is nothing to worry about . Israel spends a a lot of time and resources to counter BDS so it is really a lot more than nothing.




Even muslims are against BDS as it stops them from getting certain foods from home. Many nations are now countering the BDS movement because it has been hijacked by NEO NAZI groups as a means of legitimizing their JEW HATREDS
 
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