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Rocco,



The wording suggests that the Palestinians already had these rights before 1974.

At what point in time and under what circumstances did the Palestinians gain these rights?

That'll only work if the arabs stop attacking Israel, and basically surrender. The only rights they have now during wartime are the prisoner of war rights.

What everyone seems to forget is, that this conflict has never been between the Palestinians and Israel in the Arab mind. Israel has thus far gone to war with all her Arab neighbors...The artificial peace they have signed is not something the Arab populations will ever accept...

Besides, Abbas has out maneuvered Netanyahu and signed the fifteen UN Convections...

Israel will tighten the noose, Palestinians will go to UN, the BDS will grow dramatically, even in America.




That artificial peace as you call it could see the destruction of the arab world if they reneged on it. First off the USA would stop all aid and then send in the troops to drive the arab armies back. The UN would issue a proclamation dismissing all arab representatives from the UN and allowing the USA to place them under arrest for war crimes, crimes against humanity and breaches of the un charter

What 15 UN upwardly spiralling columns of warm air would they be then ?

But if you mean the UN conventions then abbas has just singed his own death warrant as this means they cant use terror tactics anymore, or BLOOD LIBELS and MUST engage in peace talks or face UN sanctions

The UN will tell the Palestinians to sit down and negotiate a settlement and to stop making childish demands before they will
 
The boycott against Apartheid South Africa took a long time before its noose tightened enough to force the Boers to negotiate. BDS will take at least as much or more time, but it will eventually work.




One big difference that was instituted by the UN and enforced by the member states with weapons of war. The BDS movement has been made illegal under racism/civil rights laws in most countries because it singles out the Jews for purely racist reasons. Too many right wing anti semitic groups have taken up the banner of BDS to attempt to legitimise their NAZI ANTI SEMITISM
 
Who told you that bald-faced lie, Billy? They've owned it since the Big March.
So, according to your logic, it was okay for Hitler to annex Poland?



And according to your logic it was acceptable for your forefathers to ethnically cleanse the First Nation people from the land so you could post ANTISEMITIC LIES on the internet.
 
That'll only work if the arabs stop attacking Israel, and basically surrender. The only rights they have now during wartime are the prisoner of war rights.

What everyone seems to forget is, that this conflict has never been between the Palestinians and Israel in the Arab mind. Israel has thus far gone to war with all her Arab neighbors...The artificial peace they have signed is not something the Arab populations will ever accept...

Besides, Abbas has out maneuvered Netanyahu and signed the fifteen UN Convections...

Israel will tighten the noose, Palestinians will go to UN, the BDS will grow dramatically, even in America.




That artificial peace as you call it could see the destruction of the arab world if they reneged on it. First off the USA would stop all aid and then send in the troops to drive the arab armies back. The UN would issue a proclamation dismissing all arab representatives from the UN and allowing the USA to place them under arrest for war crimes, crimes against humanity and breaches of the un charter

What 15 UN upwardly spiralling columns of warm air would they be then ?

But if you mean the UN conventions then abbas has just singed his own death warrant as this means they cant use terror tactics anymore, or BLOOD LIBELS and MUST engage in peace talks or face UN sanctions

The UN will tell the Palestinians to sit down and negotiate a settlement and to stop making childish demands before they will

Troops will never again will be used to save Israel...Israel will dig its own grave by prolonging her greed over the wishes over the world body. The Boycott will de-fang her like South Africa.
 
Rocco,



The wording suggests that the Palestinians already had these rights before 1974.

At what point in time and under what circumstances did the Palestinians gain these rights?

That'll only work if the arabs stop attacking Israel, and basically surrender. The only rights they have now during wartime are the prisoner of war rights.

What everyone seems to forget is, that this conflict has never been between the Palestinians and Israel in the Arab mind. Israel has thus far gone to war with all her Arab neighbors...The artificial peace they have signed is not something the Arab populations will ever accept...

Besides, Abbas has out maneuvered Netanyahu and signed the fifteen UN Convections...

Israel will tighten the noose, Palestinians will go to UN, the BDS will grow dramatically, even in America.
Abbas has overseen the beat down of the Pals by the Israelis, furthering the Pals loss even more.

PS Nobody cares about what the UN says, just ask Russia.
 
Poland is a sovereign country. Not even REMOTELY close of a comparison.

I wonder why you keep coming up with these idiotic comparisons that have no similarities. One would think that after you embaressed yourself by comparing thousands upon thousands of Jews being gassed to death to the IDF using tear gas for riot dispersal, that you would stop making them :lol:
In both cases, you're taking land (that isn't yours) by force of arms.

So what's the difference?

Jordan attacked Israel. Poland didn't attack Germany.

And Germany didnt have a historical connection to Poland.
 
What everyone seems to forget is, that this conflict has never been between the Palestinians and Israel in the Arab mind. Israel has thus far gone to war with all her Arab neighbors...The artificial peace they have signed is not something the Arab populations will ever accept...

Besides, Abbas has out maneuvered Netanyahu and signed the fifteen UN Convections...

Israel will tighten the noose, Palestinians will go to UN, the BDS will grow dramatically, even in America.



That artificial peace as you call it could see the destruction of the arab world if they reneged on it. First off the USA would stop all aid and then send in the troops to drive the arab armies back. The UN would issue a proclamation dismissing all arab representatives from the UN and allowing the USA to place them under arrest for war crimes, crimes against humanity and breaches of the un charter

What 15 UN upwardly spiralling columns of warm air would they be then ?

But if you mean the UN conventions then abbas has just singed his own death warrant as this means they cant use terror tactics anymore, or BLOOD LIBELS and MUST engage in peace talks or face UN sanctions

The UN will tell the Palestinians to sit down and negotiate a settlement and to stop making childish demands before they will

Troops will never again will be used to save Israel...Israel will dig its own grave by prolonging her greed over the wishes over the world body. The Boycott will de-fang her like South Africa.

Well, everyone is allowed to dream, right?
 
The boycott against Apartheid South Africa took a long time before its noose tightened enough to force the Boers to negotiate. BDS will take at least as much or more time, but it will eventually work.

In ten years, you will be saying the same thing

Maybe, but not in 20, when the Israeli Jews will be governing a noticeable majority of non-Jews.
 
The boycott against Apartheid South Africa took a long time before its noose tightened enough to force the Boers to negotiate. BDS will take at least as much or more time, but it will eventually work.

In ten years, you will be saying the same thing

Maybe, but not in 20, when the Israeli Jews will be governing a noticeable majority of non-Jews.

Oh, I wouldn't count on that since the Israeli Orthodox certainly have a lot of babies. and all those millions of Arabs who call themselves refugees who weren't even born in the area wouldn't be allowed to become citizens of Israel.. Maybe the West Bank and Gaza will have to worry about their own population growing by leaps and bounds and that wouldn't be the problem of Israel. Perhaps Haniya can teach them about birth control. I remember about the time of the last Intifada where there was an interview of some of the people in either the West Bank or Gaza. A Muslim woman who was pregnant with her tenth child was wondering how she was going to be able to feed it.
 
In ten years, you will be saying the same thing

Maybe, but not in 20, when the Israeli Jews will be governing a noticeable majority of non-Jews.

Oh, I wouldn't count on that since the Israeli Orthodox certainly have a lot of babies. and all those millions of Arabs who call themselves refugees who weren't even born in the area wouldn't be allowed to become citizens of Israel.. Maybe the West Bank and Gaza will have to worry about their own population growing by leaps and bounds and that wouldn't be the problem of Israel. Perhaps Haniya can teach them about birth control. I remember about the time of the last Intifada where there was an interview of some of the people in either the West Bank or Gaza. A Muslim woman who was pregnant with her tenth child was wondering how she was going to be able to feed it.

From another forum and by far the majority opinion on that forum (it is a European forum):

"I have no idea, but there is a time limit for the Jews of Israel. The subjugation of the non-Jews by the Jews is no more pleasant than the subjugation of the non-Alawites by the Alawites and has a sell by date."

Although this was on a Syria thread, I found this person to be succinct. Essentially, once the Jews are ruling over noticeable majority of non-Jews, even the U.S. will have limit its support of Israel if the non-Jews are withheld equal rights, citizenship etc.
 
Maybe, but not in 20, when the Israeli Jews will be governing a noticeable majority of non-Jews.

Oh, I wouldn't count on that since the Israeli Orthodox certainly have a lot of babies. and all those millions of Arabs who call themselves refugees who weren't even born in the area wouldn't be allowed to become citizens of Israel.. Maybe the West Bank and Gaza will have to worry about their own population growing by leaps and bounds and that wouldn't be the problem of Israel. Perhaps Haniya can teach them about birth control. I remember about the time of the last Intifada where there was an interview of some of the people in either the West Bank or Gaza. A Muslim woman who was pregnant with her tenth child was wondering how she was going to be able to feed it.

From another forum and by far the majority opinion on that forum (it is a European forum):

"I have no idea, but there is a time limit for the Jews of Israel. The subjugation of the non-Jews by the Jews is no more pleasant than the subjugation of the non-Alawites by the Alawites and has a sell by date."

Although this was on a Syria thread, I found this person to be succinct. Essentially, once the Jews are ruling over noticeable majority of non-Jews, even the U.S. will have limit its support of Israel if the non-Jews are withheld equal rights, citizenship etc.

It is not surprising that there are Muslims like you, Haniya, and your fellow travelers who would like to see Israel destroyed. The Arabs in Israel have the same rights as the Jews in Israel; we can't say the same about the minorities in Muslim countries, can we, Haniya?

Hmm, looks like those Muslim gals in the boiler room are busy demonizing Israel all over the Internet in various forums. It's a shame that Haniya and the other gals in the boiler room couldn't go over and tell the Palestinians to make nice instead of trying to destroy Israel and then they can establish their own state and give all their citizens equal rights just like the Jews give their Arab citizens..
 
Oh, I wouldn't count on that since the Israeli Orthodox certainly have a lot of babies. and all those millions of Arabs who call themselves refugees who weren't even born in the area wouldn't be allowed to become citizens of Israel.. Maybe the West Bank and Gaza will have to worry about their own population growing by leaps and bounds and that wouldn't be the problem of Israel. Perhaps Haniya can teach them about birth control. I remember about the time of the last Intifada where there was an interview of some of the people in either the West Bank or Gaza. A Muslim woman who was pregnant with her tenth child was wondering how she was going to be able to feed it.

From another forum and by far the majority opinion on that forum (it is a European forum):

"I have no idea, but there is a time limit for the Jews of Israel. The subjugation of the non-Jews by the Jews is no more pleasant than the subjugation of the non-Alawites by the Alawites and has a sell by date."

Although this was on a Syria thread, I found this person to be succinct. Essentially, once the Jews are ruling over noticeable majority of non-Jews, even the U.S. will have limit its support of Israel if the non-Jews are withheld equal rights, citizenship etc.

It is not surprising that there are Muslims like you, Haniya, and your fellow travelers who would like to see Israel destroyed. The Arabs in Israel have the same rights as the Jews in Israel; we can't say the same about the minorities in Muslim countries, can we, Haniya?

Hmm, looks like those Muslim gals in the boiler room are busy demonizing Israel all over the Internet in various forums. It's a shame that Haniya and the other gals in the boiler room couldn't go over and tell the Palestinians to make nice instead of trying to destroy Israel and then they can establish their own state and give all their citizens equal rights just like the Jews give their Arab citizens..

These Pali supporters sure do like to repeat the same drivel over and over about how Israel wont last or how Israel will be destroyed.

Just remember Sally, in 20 years from now, people like monti will be spewing the same crap!
 
Jordan attacked Israel.
The war started when Israel sent its tanks into Egypt, not Jordan.

BTW, Israel is not occupying Jordan.

Which makes your argument even more stupid.

Poland didn't attack Germany.
And the Palestinian's didn't attack Israel.

And Germany didnt have a historical connection to Poland.
Not if you ask the Germans.

Again, Jordan attacked Israel first, not the other way around. We're not talking about how the war started moron (it started when Egypt made threats and closed the Straits of Tiran). I was talking about how the West Bank came to be 'occupied' , try to keep up if you can.


'BTW Israel is not occupying Jordan'

Wow, I knew you were dumb, but wow. Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan, but I never said Israel was occupying Jordan, which makes your comment stupid. Jordan joined the war even though Israel warned the not to.

Another failure of a post by Billo the Retard. :clap2:
 
Three nations, highly armed massed on Israel's border and that signed an agreement to destroy Israel after declaring war when the canal was closed to them. But Israel did something wrong when it acted to protect itself?
Or are you are just upset that Israel won in just six days and was able to reach both Cairo and Damascus?
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

The concept behind the rights of "self-determination" and "national sovereignty" are not unique to the Arab or the Arab Palestinian. The concept is universally applicable to every cultural under the theory. And theoretically, it is part of the "natural law" (is a system of law that is determined by nature, and so is universal) behind humanity; applied to theories of ethics, theories of politics, theories of civil law, and theories of religious morality. (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

  • Key Features of Natural Law Theories
    • Natural law and divine providence
    • Natural law and practical rationality
    • The substance of the natural law view
    • Paradigmatic and nonparadigmatic natural law theories
  • Theoretical Options for Natural Law Theorists
    • Natural goodness
    • Knowledge of the basic goods
    • The catalog of basic goods
    • From the good to the right

Rocco,

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

The wording suggests that the Palestinians already had these rights before 1974.

At what point in time and under what circumstances did the Palestinians gain these rights?
(COMMENT)

The question, asks for qualities that arguably apply to the subject. In this case, you are essentially asking:
  • At what point did the concepts of "self-determination and sovereignty" (Natural Law) as theoretical constructs of jurisprudence, based on morality and ethics apply to the Palestinian?

This goes back to the capacity of the Arab Palestinian to independently derive and comprehend what the qualities of "self-determination and sovereignty" are and mean, relative to their culture. Quite clearly, prior to the fall of the Ottoman Empire, the Arab-Palestinian was not implementing any of the qualities associated with "self-determination and sovereignty." The Sultan was the "sovereign" and there was no independent self-determination being exercised by the Arab Palestinian. While there were Arab leaders exercising various forms of "sovereignty" in the greater Middle East and Persian Gulf Regions, the influence of the Court of Sheiks (Sheik Sabah Kuwait), or the quasi-independent tribes under the banner of Abd al-Aziz ibn Saud (House of Saud), did not have that reach in terms of political projection. However, the Sharif and Emir of Mecca (Hussein bin Ali) did have some influence over that portion of the region.

Essential to understanding what the Arab Palestinian had, or did not have, in terms of the theoretical constructs of jurisprudence forming the concepts of "self-determination and sovereignty" rest with the understanding that the Arab-Palestinian was under the influence of either:
  • The Sultan
  • The Sharif and Emir of Mecca
  • The Court of Sheiks
  • The House of Saud

Even later --- the Arab Higher Committee (AHC), originally formed by the Mandatory, was under the influence other than the Arab Palestinian. However, as the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (Haj Amin al-Husseini) became prominent as a leader, it was he that gradually began to introduce the idea of independence for Palestine as an Arab state. The Grand Mufti, himself a former member of the Ottoman Armed Forces during WWI, actively opposed Zionism, and the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine.

(ANSWER)

While there were many embryonic Arab-Palestinian leaders that opposed Civil Administration by the Allied Powers, the experience Haj Amin al-Husseini gained in the service of the Ottoman Empire, and what he learned from the adjacent Arab Leaders (Sheik Sabah, Abd al-Aziz ibn Saud, and Hussein bin Ali) was the first Arab Palestinian Leader that independently understood and promoted "self-determination and sovereignty" (the Natural Law) for the Territorial Mandate as a separate Arab State. The ideas behind Haj Amin al-Husseini did not just mimic the position expressed by HRH the Emir Faisal (acting on behalf of the Arab Kingdom of Hejaz), but went well beyond.

Most Respectfully,
R

OK. but I don't see the answer to my question in all that.
 
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Poland is a sovereign country. Not even REMOTELY close of a comparison.

I wonder why you keep coming up with these idiotic comparisons that have no similarities. One would think that after you embaressed yourself by comparing thousands upon thousands of Jews being gassed to death to the IDF using tear gas for riot dispersal, that you would stop making them :lol:
In both cases, you're taking land (that isn't yours) by force of arms.

So what's the difference?

Bill, when are you giving your land back to the indians? And Texas back to Mexico?
 
Again, Jordan attacked Israel first, not the other way around.
Bullshit!

Not long after November 1966...

...the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) attacked the village of as-Samu in the Jordanian-occupied West Bank. Jordanian units that engaged the Israelis were quickly beaten back. Between 14 and 21 Jordanian soldiers were killed in the operation and 37 more were wounded. Overall, 18 were killed, 130 wounded, while 125 houses, the school, and the clinic were destroyed in the attack. Israel's attack was deplored by the Security Council....
Try again, maybe your luck will change?

We're not talking about how the war started moron (it started when Egypt made threats and closed the Straits of Tiran).
Locker room chest thumping is not an "attack".

An attack is more like trying to provoke the Syrian's into an armed response.

During 1965–7, Israel's armed forces staged numerous provocations along the Israeli–Syrian border area. The pattern was of action and reaction. Israeli armoured tractors, often guarded by police, would start to plow in a disputed area of the DMZ. From its high ground positions, Syria would fire at those advancing, and, adopting a new policy, retaliated for Israeli fire at Syrian military positions by firing on civilian settlements in the Hula Valley. Israel would retaliate with raids on Syrian positions, including the use of air power. U.N. officials blamed both Israel and Syria for destabilizing the borders. This escalation led the Syrians and the Soviets to believe Israel was planning to overthrow the Syrian regime using military force. On April 7, 1967, a serious incident broke out between Israel and Syria, after Israel had begun to cultivate more westerly tracts in the Ha'on sector of the demilitarized zone. Israel took military action against Syria, and eventually both sides employed artillery, tanks, and mortars. During this clash Israeli airstrikes were launched a few miles from Damascus. Israel bombed both Syrian border villages and military targets.
Moesha Dayan was right.

Israel started 80% of the wars its been in.

I was talking about how the West Bank came to be 'occupied' , try to keep up if you can.
You're funny!

You weren't talking about how the '67 war was started, but was talking about how the West Bank came to be occupied, as a result of the '67 war. So you're saying the two are completely separate, un-related issues?

Now that's a WOW!

Wow, I knew you were dumb, but wow. Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan, but I never said Israel was occupying Jordan, which makes your comment stupid. Jordan joined the war even though Israel warned the not to.
You wanna talk about "dumb"?

If Jordan "joined the war", then it's logical to assume they were not part of the war prior to that "joining". And if they weren't part of the war prior to that "joining", then they couldn't have possibly "started" that war with an attack on Israel.

It's not possible to join a war you've already started, but that's what you're claiming.

Talk about dumb...

Another failure of a post by Billo the Retard. :clap2:
Hey, it's not my fault you can't prove what you claim.
 
Bill, when are you giving your land back to the indians?
As soon as their casino's reimburse me for my gambling losses.

And Texas back to Mexico?
Oh, I'd love that!

That couldn't happen any sooner.

**** Texas!

You make a joke about it, but you call out Israel to give back land they took by force, yet you're not willing to do the same. I think there's a name for that...
 
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