I will not Bow!

[Phoenall]

We all know how this will end.

Israel, in an attempt to get on the good side of the international community and to avoid most legal action, will withdraw to the Seperation Barrier while leaving a military force in the Jorday Valley.

They built this barrier as a Plan B border in case peace talks prove fruitless.

Will they consider this their final border? Probably not. But who knows.

Jordan has invited them to take over the security in the Jordan valley because they are heavily involved on the Syrian border. Israel does not have to do anything as the Palestinians will do it all for them, and the DUMBASS ISLMONAZIS don't realise they are cutting of their collective noses to spite their faces. Either way Israel wins the day by taking the moral high ground and standing firm.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore; et al,

You questioned:

• As I understand the question, the issue is, legally were the Arab Palestinians ever citizens unto their own country or nation.

• But they were never citizens of the State or Nation of Palestine.

Then attempted to use Citizenship rules to substantiate it.


(COMMENT)

Not only did you use the unamended version of the PCO 1925 Order, you were suggesting that "Palestinian Citizenship" was govern by the Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne. While the treaty had a minor impact on the already existing law, it neither changed the basic orders, nor conferred or implied any special nation or sovereignty on the Palestinians above that bestowed by the High Commissioner.

The Treaty of Lausanne was written to comply with the already existing Mandate and Orders in Council, and not independently or to alter the meaning or intent of those previous directives.

It was "irrelevant" as you are so fond of saying.

Most Respectfully,
R

As I understand the question, the issue is, legally were the Arab Palestinians ever citizens unto their own country or nation.

I presented evidence showing that they were.

What part of your post specifically says they were not?

And that's the problem. You THINK you provided evidence for it, but really, you didn't

Let's look at the facts.

1) Palestine was a successor state carved out of the defunct Ottoman Empire by post war treaties and defined by international borders. This was the same as all of the other newly created states in the region.

2) The people who normally lived in that defined territory and who were Turkish nationals became the distinct nationality of Palestinians.

3) These Palestinians, by law and by treaty, became citizens of Palestine.

4) These citizens had the inherent right to self determination without external interference.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I presented evidence showing that they were.

What part of your post specifically says they were not?

And that's the problem. You THINK you provided evidence for it, but really, you didn't

Let's look at the facts.

1) Palestine was a successor state carved out of the defunct Ottoman Empire by post war treaties and defined by international borders. This was the same as all of the other newly created states in the region.

2) The people who normally lived in that defined territory and who were Turkish nationals became the distinct nationality of Palestinians.

3) These Palestinians, by law and by treaty, became citizens of Palestine.

4) These citizens had the inherent right to self determination without external interference.

Because of the special circumstances surrounding Palestine, it was treated a bit differently than the other successor Arab states, which came out of the Mandates.

 

[P F Tinmore]

And that's the problem. You THINK you provided evidence for it, but really, you didn't

Let's look at the facts.

1) Palestine was a successor state carved out of the defunct Ottoman Empire by post war treaties and defined by international borders. This was the same as all of the other newly created states in the region.

2) The people who normally lived in that defined territory and who were Turkish nationals became the distinct nationality of Palestinians.

3) These Palestinians, by law and by treaty, became citizens of Palestine.

4) These citizens had the inherent right to self determination without external interference.

Because of the special circumstances surrounding Palestine, it was treated a bit differently than the other successor Arab states, which came out of the Mandates.

Indeed, it is called illegal external interference.

There is a reason why "without external interference" is a part of the definition of self determination.

 

[Victory67]

Jordan has invited them to take over the security in the Jordan valley because they are heavily involved on the Syrian border. Israel does not have to do anything as the Palestinians will do it all for them, and the DUMBASS ISLMONAZIS don't realise they are cutting of their collective noses to spite their faces. Either way Israel wins the day by taking the moral high ground and standing firm.

Jordan has officially requested the Israelis remain as a security force in the Jordan Valley?

prove it.

 

[aris2chat]

Jordan has invited them to take over the security in the Jordan valley because they are heavily involved on the Syrian border. Israel does not have to do anything as the Palestinians will do it all for them, and the DUMBASS ISLMONAZIS don't realise they are cutting of their collective noses to spite their faces. Either way Israel wins the day by taking the moral high ground and standing firm.

Jordan has officially requested the Israelis remain as a security force in the Jordan Valley?

prove it.

Do you not read the news?
US, Jordan Agree: Israel Should Control Jordan Valley - Israel Today | Israel News

 

[toastman]

Let's look at the facts.

1) Palestine was a successor state carved out of the defunct Ottoman Empire by post war treaties and defined by international borders. This was the same as all of the other newly created states in the region.

2) The people who normally lived in that defined territory and who were Turkish nationals became the distinct nationality of Palestinians.

3) These Palestinians, by law and by treaty, became citizens of Palestine.

4) These citizens had the inherent right to self determination without external interference.

Because of the special circumstances surrounding Palestine, it was treated a bit differently than the other successor Arab states, which came out of the Mandates.

Indeed, it is called illegal external interference.

There is a reason why "without external interference" is a part of the definition of self determination.

Illegal external interference is why Palestinians lost a large chunk of land when 5 Arab states attacked Israel

 

[P F Tinmore]

Because of the special circumstances surrounding Palestine, it was treated a bit differently than the other successor Arab states, which came out of the Mandates.

Indeed, it is called illegal external interference.

There is a reason why "without external interference" is a part of the definition of self determination.

Illegal external interference is why Palestinians lost a large chunk of land when 5 Arab states attacked Israel

How did that violate the Palestinian's right to self determination?

 

[Kondor3]

Jordan has invited them to take over the security in the Jordan valley because they are heavily involved on the Syrian border. Israel does not have to do anything as the Palestinians will do it all for them, and the DUMBASS ISLMONAZIS don't realise they are cutting of their collective noses to spite their faces. Either way Israel wins the day by taking the moral high ground and standing firm.

Jordan has officially requested the Israelis remain as a security force in the Jordan Valley?

prove it.

Do you not read the news?
US, Jordan Agree: Israel Should Control Jordan Valley - Israel Today | Israel News

If true, then...

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha...

Time for a Happy Dance...

Hell, the Jordanians don't even want those crazy bastard Palestinians...

Major *****-slap to the Pals, by their own kind...

Jesus-H-Tap-Dancin'-Christ... you can't make up shit like this...

Ahhhhh... life is good...

 

[Victory67]

Uncorroborated bullshit from a very biased source. They call it the "so-called 'West Bank'".

 

[P F Tinmore]

Jordan has invited them to take over the security in the Jordan valley because they are heavily involved on the Syrian border. Israel does not have to do anything as the Palestinians will do it all for them, and the DUMBASS ISLMONAZIS don't realise they are cutting of their collective noses to spite their faces. Either way Israel wins the day by taking the moral high ground and standing firm.

Jordan has officially requested the Israelis remain as a security force in the Jordan Valley?

prove it.

Do you not read the news?
US, Jordan Agree: Israel Should Control Jordan Valley - Israel Today | Israel News

Of course Jordan has no authority over the matter.

No surprise though, the US pays Jordan a couple $B a year to side with Israel like it does in Egypt.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Jordan has officially requested the Israelis remain as a security force in the Jordan Valley?

prove it.

Do you not read the news?
US, Jordan Agree: Israel Should Control Jordan Valley - Israel Today | Israel News

Of course Jordan has no authority over the matter.

No surprise though, the US pays Jordan a couple $B a year to side with Israel like it does in Egypt.

I believe Egypt's aid was cut off after the coup there. Jordan needs all the aid it can get now, because of all the Syrian refugees.

 

[aris2chat]

Jordan has officially requested the Israelis remain as a security force in the Jordan Valley?

prove it.

Do you not read the news?
US, Jordan Agree: Israel Should Control Jordan Valley - Israel Today | Israel News

Of course Jordan has no authority over the matter.

No surprise though, the US pays Jordan a couple $B a year to side with Israel like it does in Egypt.

Palestinian control of the jordan valley risks destabilizing Jordan, so yes they should have a say.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Do you not read the news?
US, Jordan Agree: Israel Should Control Jordan Valley - Israel Today | Israel News

Of course Jordan has no authority over the matter.

No surprise though, the US pays Jordan a couple $B a year to side with Israel like it does in Egypt.

Palestinian control of the jordan valley risks destabilizing Jordan, so yes they should have a say.

Jordan can do what it wants on its side of the border. It has no authority on the other side.

 

[toastman]

Jordan has officially requested the Israelis remain as a security force in the Jordan Valley?

prove it.

Do you not read the news?
US, Jordan Agree: Israel Should Control Jordan Valley - Israel Today | Israel News

Of course Jordan has no authority over the matter.

No surprise though, the US pays Jordan a couple $B a year to side with Israel like it does in Egypt.

Blah blah more conspiracy theories that you cannot prove

 

[toastman]

Of course Jordan has no authority over the matter.

No surprise though, the US pays Jordan a couple $B a year to side with Israel like it does in Egypt.

Palestinian control of the jordan valley risks destabilizing Jordan, so yes they should have a say.

Jordan can do what it wants on its side of the border. It has no authority on the other side.

Neither do the Palestinians

 

[P F Tinmore]

Do you not read the news?
US, Jordan Agree: Israel Should Control Jordan Valley - Israel Today | Israel News

Of course Jordan has no authority over the matter.

No surprise though, the US pays Jordan a couple $B a year to side with Israel like it does in Egypt.

Blah blah more conspiracy theories that you cannot prove

I have. You just can't keep up.

 

[Kondor3]

Of course Jordan has no authority over the matter.

No surprise though, the US pays Jordan a couple $B a year to side with Israel like it does in Egypt.

Palestinian control of the jordan valley risks destabilizing Jordan, so yes they should have a say.

Jordan can do what it wants on its side of the border. It has no authority on the other side.

Technically, you are correct.

What Jordan is doing here is providing an acknowledgement of the inevitable, and washing its hands of the matter - saying that it won't object to Israeli military control over the Jordan Valley.

Another nail in the cheap, shabby Palestinian coffin.

 

[toastman]

Of course Jordan has no authority over the matter.

No surprise though, the US pays Jordan a couple $B a year to side with Israel like it does in Egypt.

Blah blah more conspiracy theories that you cannot prove

I have. You just can't keep up.

You always claim that, but in reality, you didn't. You might have posted something that I missed, but Im certain it proved nothing as usual

 

[Kondor3]

Palestinian control of the jordan valley risks destabilizing Jordan, so yes they should have a say.

Jordan can do what it wants on its side of the border. It has no authority on the other side.

Neither do the Palestinians

Warn a guy before you tell a good joke like that one...

Damned funny...

Entirely true...

Within the operative realm of the Real World, anyway...