I was fired because I support Trump!

[bodecea]

Well? What say you good people?

If you supported Trump, you probably weren't any good anyway.

Do you think your boss should be able to fire you based on your political affiliation?

That alone.....no.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Where is the line drawn? Wearing something political? Having a political poster on the wall in your office? A bumper sticker? Should a person wearing a 'Black Lives Matter' T-Shirt be fired?

If somebody wearing a black lives matter shirt were fired, you could be absolutely certain that all the authoritarian leftists in this thread that support the firing of a Trump supporter would be all over it.

These people follow no actual principles other than "My way or the highway"

 

[Care4all]

it obviously affects her customers at her business.... being associated with him....and customers seeing him at this, kill blackie rally.... try again!

It's a hypothetical, silly. And in this hypothetical there was no impact on her business whatsoever. She said so. She just didn't want to keep a miscreant on the payroll. Do you think she should be forced to?

if he has shown no signs of being a miscreant at work with anyone, no customers saw him or complained that they saw him, he has never been an asshole to her or anyone at work, does a good job at work, then imo, NO.

This is her opportunity to show this young man, that he has no reason to ''hate blackie'' and her chance to rescue him, from the hate filled world he lives in...... through kindness....and one on one interactions....

that' CARE 4 ALL's answer!

Opportunity? According to you, she has no choice.

why should she? She vetted and hired him....He's fulfilled his end of the implied contract for years.... it hasn't affected his quality and quantity of work, or any customers or anyone at work....

Maybe because she sees herself as a socially responsible business owner. She doesn't want to support white supremacists for the same reason that she recycles - because she cares about society doesn't want to see it go to shit. The real question is why does it matter? Why should business owners - or anyone really - have to justify their economic decisions to government?

well, live in a fully at will state, and open a business there!

but to me, you are going down a slippery slope.... like, fire anyone pro life if you are against it, fire someone who is fully doing their job because they are jewish, or pro choice, or black, or white or old, or young or a believer or an atheist, or a supporter of black lives matter, or a wife swopper, or a supporter of our government or for bleached blonde hair that you dislike.... etc etc etc.....(yes some of those are covered in at will states due to discrimination laws, i know) when it is not affecting your business in any way, and the person is doing their job well and fulfilling their end of the employer/employee contract.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I don't know the political views of any of my employees. Neither theirs nor my own are germane to the work we do.

If an employee showed up to work having made themselves into a political message, I would ask them to desist, and only if they refused would I feel justified in firing them.

This need to inject politics into every nook and cranny of society is part of the problem instead of part of the solution. Keep it at home, folks.

Yeah, sure. But should it be illegal?

I believe it should be legal to require employees do not pollute the work environment with politics.

If an employer does allow employees to inject politics into the work environment, I believe it should be illegal to force employees to express only those attitudes in line with the employer's.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Well, until you can figure out how to grow an embryo outside a woman's body, welcome to the world as it is not the way you want it to be.

There is only one way to limit the number of abortions performed...and it won't be through regulation.

Yes, sadly it is the world we live in, convenience trumps human life.

Though I do agree (I think) about preventing abortions. If I were king for the day I would make birth control free and as easy to get as a bag of chips.

Back in the day when I was in the Philippines there was a big box by the gate heading out to Olongapo city that was filled with a 1000 rubbers for people to grab on their way out the gate.

That is how easy I would make BC to get.

Women don't get abortions for "convenience". But you are correct in that only science and education reduce the number of abortions.

America doesn't have an abortion problem, we have an unwanted pregnancy problem.

Yes, women do get abortions for convenience, when asked the reason why they got on more than 90% of the people give a reason that is based on nothing but convenience


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[Harpy Eagle]

I am with you, clearly a made up story to try and prove some point.

The funny part is this guy used to claim to be a libertarian, now he wants the Govt involved in hiring and firing...the two do not mesh.

I'll point out that the pretend libertarians are anti-choice and anti-gay marriage...... so love small gubmint until it legislates their religious theology.

I am a libertarian and I am anti-abortion because I believe in the liberty of all humans, even the little ones. The ultimate anti-liberty is death, and abortion causes death 100% of the time.

I think the Govt should not be in the marriage business at all, leave that to the churches.

You can be anti abortion and still support a woman's right to choose.

The problem with that is the human that will have its life ended does not get a say in what happens to it. Thus there is no liberty for that human.

A fetus is a conglomeration of tissue: it is not a human being. An abortion is a medical procedure. And by the way, there are hundreds of thousands spontaneous abortions every year: we call them miscarriages. It is tissue, not a human being.

So, in your view at what point does the magical transformation from non-human to human take place.


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[Thinker101]

Well? What say you good people?

LOL..so far 8 have voted that it's ok to fire someone for political views, too funny...liberals no doubt.

A company should be able to fire someone for any reason, nobody has a right to a particular job.

Figures a statist like you would want the Govt involved in such things.

Not sure about "any reason", and certainly didn't say the government should get involved...dumbass.

 

[Thinker101]

LOL... no doubt. They only care about discrimination when it's a conservative doing it.

California, God bless them, is NOT an ''at will state''.... me thinks you hae a ''case'', even without discrimination laws in California....?

https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2001/01/art1full.pdf

Finally, a
minority of States has read an implied covenant of good faith
and fair dealing into the employment relationship. The good-
faith covenant has been interpreted in different ways, from
meaning that terminations must be for cause to meaning that
terminations cannot be made in bad faith or with malice in-
tended. Only six western States—Alaska, California, Idaho,
Nevada, Utah, and Wyoming—recognize all three of the ma-
jor exceptions.
4

Dang, you ever look things up, or you just make em up as you go along.
At-Will Employment in California: Definition & Limitations.

uhhhh, maybe YOU should actually READ your own link?

Here let me print some of it for you.

In California, most employment is, by default, defined as being “at-will.”[1] Employment that is “at-will” may be terminated at any time at the will of either party—either the employee or the employer—with or without cause.[2] Employment that is for a specific term longer than one month is not “at-will.”

most people can't politic at work. and the laws are intended to keep employers from interfering in political activity or party affiliation separate and apart from work. you know, in your private life.

no one gives a damn about your politics in the work place. and if you were running around spewing, I'd fire you too.

Having political views is not the same as running around spewing.

 

[bodecea]

Well, until you can figure out how to grow an embryo outside a woman's body, welcome to the world as it is not the way you want it to be.

There is only one way to limit the number of abortions performed...and it won't be through regulation.

Yes, sadly it is the world we live in, convenience trumps human life.

Though I do agree (I think) about preventing abortions. If I were king for the day I would make birth control free and as easy to get as a bag of chips.

Back in the day when I was in the Philippines there was a big box by the gate heading out to Olongapo city that was filled with a 1000 rubbers for people to grab on their way out the gate.

That is how easy I would make BC to get.

Women don't get abortions for "convenience". But you are correct in that only science and education reduce the number of abortions.

America doesn't have an abortion problem, we have an unwanted pregnancy problem.

Yes, women do get abortions for convenience, when asked the reason why they got on more than 90% of the people give a reason that is based on nothing but convenience


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Let's see that poll.

 

[bodecea]

I'll point out that the pretend libertarians are anti-choice and anti-gay marriage...... so love small gubmint until it legislates their religious theology.

I am a libertarian and I am anti-abortion because I believe in the liberty of all humans, even the little ones. The ultimate anti-liberty is death, and abortion causes death 100% of the time.

I think the Govt should not be in the marriage business at all, leave that to the churches.

You can be anti abortion and still support a woman's right to choose.

The problem with that is the human that will have its life ended does not get a say in what happens to it. Thus there is no liberty for that human.

A fetus is a conglomeration of tissue: it is not a human being. An abortion is a medical procedure. And by the way, there are hundreds of thousands spontaneous abortions every year: we call them miscarriages. It is tissue, not a human being.

So, in your view at what point does the magical transformation from non-human to human take place.


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Viability

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Well, until you can figure out how to grow an embryo outside a woman's body, welcome to the world as it is not the way you want it to be.

There is only one way to limit the number of abortions performed...and it won't be through regulation.

Yes, sadly it is the world we live in, convenience trumps human life.

Though I do agree (I think) about preventing abortions. If I were king for the day I would make birth control free and as easy to get as a bag of chips.

Back in the day when I was in the Philippines there was a big box by the gate heading out to Olongapo city that was filled with a 1000 rubbers for people to grab on their way out the gate.

That is how easy I would make BC to get.

Women don't get abortions for "convenience". But you are correct in that only science and education reduce the number of abortions.

America doesn't have an abortion problem, we have an unwanted pregnancy problem.

Yes, women do get abortions for convenience, when asked the reason why they got on more than 90% of the people give a reason that is based on nothing but convenience


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Let's see that poll.

Reasons given for having abortions in the United States


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[dblack]

Well? What say you good people?

LOL..so far 8 have voted that it's ok to fire someone for political views, too funny...liberals no doubt.

A company should be able to fire someone for any reason, nobody has a right to a particular job.

Figures a statist like you would want the Govt involved in such things.

Not sure about "any reason", and certainly didn't say the government should get involved...dumbass.

Well, that's what 'should be able' means - ie whether it it should be legally, whether government should get involved.

 

[g5000]

Well? What say you good people?

were you being an obnoxious jerk to the people around you? were you imposing your "views" on others?

Nope. I just wore my “Make America great again!" hat to work last week, and my boss said, "If you're not smart enough to realize that Trump is playing you like the audience of WWF, then you can find somewhere else to work!".

Isn't that discrimination?

No, that sounds like you have a pretty smart boss who doesn't want to take the risk of having a tard under him.

 

[rightwinger]

Well? What say you good people?

Your boss can fire you because he does not like the color socks you are wearing

 

[sealybobo]

Here are the Federal protected classes:

• Race.
• Color.
• Religion or creed.
• National origin or ancestry.
• Sex.
• Age.
• Physical or mental disability.
• Veteran status.
• Genetic information.
• Citizenship.

Nothing about political beliefs.

Though in a non-socialist country a person should be able to fire someone for any damn reason they want...but sadly that is not the case.

Political Affiliation is on the list in California.

That is because they are basically a socialist state. I am surprised to find that you support such things, but each to their own

Just running a little experiment. Same question, different narrative - radically different results. Hypocrisy party!

What advice did we give with the different narrative?

Well, I was mostly looking at the vote totals.

Should political affiliation be a protected class?

Just so you know, Trump is a horrible president and if he had his way, your employer could find out easily if you are a Republican or Democrat. And then hiring managers might only hire people who vote Republican.

Do you like this? Trump Wants All Your Voter Data. What Could Go Wrong?

THE PRIVATE BALLOT is tradition in the United States. Now, President Trump’s voter fraud commission wants to collect every American’s voting history and make it available to the public—all in the name of “election integrity.”

What do you think of this?

 

[sealybobo]

Well? What say you good people?

the newly formed Advisory Committee on Election Integrity asked secretaries of state across the country for their complete voter rolls, including people’s political parties, voting history, the last four digits of their social security numbers, felony history, and more. The request, submitted by committee vice chair Kris Kobach, has both voting rights advocates and privacy hawks on edge.

Do you like Trump doing this? Did you vote for Trump? Then you should have been fired for being retarded.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Well? What say you good people?

were you being an obnoxious jerk to the people around you? were you imposing your "views" on others?

He said he was a Trump supporter, not a leftist.

 

[Care4all]

Well? What say you good people?

Your boss can fire you because he does not like the color socks you are wearing

that depends on the State, and if it is an ''at will'' state....

not all states are ''at will'.

 

[Care4all]

Well? What say you good people?

the newly formed Advisory Committee on Election Integrity asked secretaries of state across the country for their complete voter rolls, including people’s political parties, voting history, the last four digits of their social security numbers, felony history, and more. The request, submitted by committee vice chair Kris Kobach, has both voting rights advocates and privacy hawks on edge.

Do you like Trump doing this? Did you vote for Trump? Then you should have been fired for being retarded.

Trust me or Believe me, if this team had found even an inkling of voter fraud in the states they did have most of the information requested, Trump's team would have continued and Trump would have tweeted it in to life, and not have let the investigation go by the wayside.... they found nothing in what they did have and stopped before they had to admit to such, is my best guess!

 

[flacaltenn]

Nope. I just wore my “Make America great again!" hat to work last week, and my boss said, "If you're not smart enough to realize that Trump is playing you like the audience of WWF, then you can find somewhere else to work!".

Isn't that discrimination?

Well yes, that would be discrimination. Then again, only considering applicants who have a bachelor's degree is also discrimination. Only certain forms of discrimination are prohibited. The majority of the time, discrimination is lawful, expected, and advisable.

Then do you believe that hiring discrimination is OK for orgs like Media and Academia that routinely SELECT applicants on the basis of political alignment? Because that's obviously a direct parallel to discriminatory firing..

SOMEONE gets fired BEFORE they're even hired in that case...

Not quite sure what you're asking. Yes, hiring decisions are subject to discrimination laws just as much as firing decisions. Obviously. In terms of political affiliation being a protected class, there are exceptions just like other protected classes. Specifically, when the political affiliation has some actual relevance to the job. A Republican candidate for office is allowed to discriminate against would-be campaign staff who are Democrats. A Catholic church is allowed to discriminate against Jews when hiring a new priest. A movie director is allowed to discriminate against men when hiring an actor to portray a female character.

So no conservative journalists need apply at the WashPo or CNN? Even if it's NOT an "analyst" job? Or a university can't pack a Political Science with folks that match their political views?

Are those VALID exceptions to political discrimination in Hiring/Firing?

that is false. and frankly, I haven't seen political affiliation be a protected class of people. but thanks for the foot-stamping.

REally? Statistics on employment and political leanings IN Academics and Journalism say you are wrong. WAY wrong.. And I'm not talking about succumbing to printing an editorial or Guest talking heads. I'm talking about FULL time employees with chances for tenure and advancement. Think this is all "an accident" of random events??