I told you those numbers weren't real.

[Correll]

I know two morons who do

Correll and Papageorgio

Papa keeps bragging that Trump's tariffs have only raised prices 07%. Can you believe he believes that shit? And Correll believes blue collar wages are up because illegals are gone. That one should be true but is it? Enough to MAGA? Enough that they can afford Trump's tarriffs which I believe cost the average American $1500 more than last year under Biden?

The goal is to have wages rise faster than inflation. Make that the new normal, and let simmer for say... 60 years.

And yes, that would MAGA.

 

[Dragonlady]

Cry for me.
Cry really hard.

We’re far too busy laughing at your idiocy. You’re gullible enough to vote for the lying old criminal, despite the abject failure of his first administration.

That old expression “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me”, comes to mind.

How many times are you prepared to be fooled?

 

[BluesLegend]

Economist are accusing the trump *administration of fudging the numbers to make a faltering economy look better than it really is.

LMAO Democrats...accusing someone else of fudging numbers...the 81 million Biden votes Democrats...

 

[BluesLegend]

You do it every democrat admin you ******* moron. You even had the democrat media telling us 10% inflation was actually good for the economy. **** off.

Proving once again Democrats are incapable of feeling shame over their blatant hypocrisy. These Democrats are the lowest of human scum.

 

[Marener]

The goal is to have wages rise faster than inflation. Make that the new normal, and let simmer for say... 60 years.

And yes, that would MAGA.

Real wage growth is slower in 2025 than it was in 2024.

Real wages have been rising pretty consistently since about 2014, which isn’t unexpected given that we have had a pretty tight labor market since then. Hopefully that doesn’t change.

Employed full time: Median usual weekly real earnings: Wage and salary workers: 16 years and over

Graph and download economic data for Employed full time: Median usual weekly real earnings: Wage and salary workers: 16 years and over (LES1252881600Q) from Q1 1979 to Q3 2025 about full-time, salaries, workers, earnings, 16 years +, wages, median, real, employment, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

 

[Lockback]

We’re far too busy laughing at your idiocy. You’re gullible enough to vote for the lying old criminal, despite the abject failure of his first administration.

The first administration was quite successful despite Trump's inexperience and naivete about how brutally corrupt the Democrats are. Then COVID hit, a bioweapon attack by Communist China, and both sides grossly mishandled that.
The 2020 election was the most corrupt in American history. And somehow you all managed to get this idiot into office:

He caused more harm to America in 4 years than any President in our history. And part of the problem was that he chose this moron as his Vice-President:

When you get two corrupt intellectual lightweights in two important positions, things go to shit in a hurry.

That old expression “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me”, comes to mind.

How many times are you prepared to be fooled?

You're the fool. You tell me.

 

[Billiejeens]

It's yet another thing that republicans would be outraged about if a Democrat administration did this, but will ignore it entirely when their favorite sports team does this.

The Democrats are doing it -

The Democrat Media Bubble Cult Administration -

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Economist are accusing the trump *administration of fudging the numbers to make a faltering economy look better than it really is.

They noted the same things I did. A lack of real data, prices that don't line up with the numbers released by the government, and "imputing" data where there was none (basically guessing).

And they aren't likely to get any more accurate for a while either.

Trump admin fudged the numbers to make faltering economy look better: economists

Los Angeles Times reporter Michael Hiltzik writes that President Donald Trump and his helpers are cheering prematurely over some good economic numbers that came out this month.On Dec. 18, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reported that inflation had fallen to an annual rate of 2.7 percent in...

www.alternet.org

And I know you're gonna attack the source but I had to find you one without a paywall.

Not buying these conpiracy theories.

 

[Billiejeens]

Economist are accusing the trump *administration of fudging the numbers to make a faltering economy look better than it really is.

They noted the same things I did. A lack of real data, prices that don't line up with the numbers released by the government, and "imputing" data where there was none (basically guessing).

And they aren't likely to get any more accurate for a while either.

Trump admin fudged the numbers to make faltering economy look better: economists

Los Angeles Times reporter Michael Hiltzik writes that President Donald Trump and his helpers are cheering prematurely over some good economic numbers that came out this month.On Dec. 18, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reported that inflation had fallen to an annual rate of 2.7 percent in...

www.alternet.org

And I know you're gonna attack the source but I had to find you one without a paywall.

Why would reasonable people attack the name "alternet"
it's not as if they are telling you all that they publish an alter-nate reality.



Wait!

 

[struth]

Economist are accusing the trump *administration of fudging the numbers to make a faltering economy look better than it really is.

They noted the same things I did. A lack of real data, prices that don't line up with the numbers released by the government, and "imputing" data where there was none (basically guessing).

And they aren't likely to get any more accurate for a while either.

Trump admin fudged the numbers to make faltering economy look better: economists

Los Angeles Times reporter Michael Hiltzik writes that President Donald Trump and his helpers are cheering prematurely over some good economic numbers that came out this month.On Dec. 18, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reported that inflation had fallen to an annual rate of 2.7 percent in...

www.alternet.org

And I know you're gonna attack the source but I had to find you one without a paywall.

Well look at that you found someone in your bubble willing to tell you what you want to hear

 

[Lesh]

Economist are accusing the trump *administration of fudging the numbers to make a faltering economy look better than it really is.

They noted the same things I did. A lack of real data, prices that don't line up with the numbers released by the government, and "imputing" data where there was none (basically guessing).

And they aren't likely to get any more accurate for a while either.

Trump admin fudged the numbers to make faltering economy look better: economists

Los Angeles Times reporter Michael Hiltzik writes that President Donald Trump and his helpers are cheering prematurely over some good economic numbers that came out this month.On Dec. 18, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reported that inflation had fallen to an annual rate of 2.7 percent in...

www.alternet.org

And I know you're gonna attack the source but I had to find you one without a paywall.

All sorts of problems with the Trump Admin numbers

One of which is using zero for rental increases in October

Anyone believe that rents didn’t increase

 

[Papageorgio]

Got a

Now you have swallowed the right's position that I/we "want" America to fail. Careful your GOP jersey is showing through your dress.

Well maybe that's a cherry picked percentage. Do you know that 85% of percentages are wrong? Off by 3% give or take? So it could be 3.007%

Tariffs in 2025 cost the average American household significantly, with estimates varying but generally falling between $1,100 and $2,400+
That's a fact too.
And it's going to go higher next year no way around that dumbass. So keep bragging. Next year you'll tell me I should have got a tariff raise from my employer. If I didn't that's on me. Right? You'll spin spin spin.
If your number is right, remember, corporations are paying 10% to 50% higher for things. Your dumb ass actually thinks they aren't going to pass that on to you? And you think your employer is going to give you a 10% raise? Ha!

I hate America. I hate DUMB AMERICANS who are ruining America with their votes. Oh yea, you aren't a Trump supporter.

Got a link?

 

[struth]

Real wage growth is slower in 2025 than it was in 2024.

Real wages have been rising pretty consistently since about 2014, which isn’t unexpected given that we have had a pretty tight labor market since then. Hopefully that doesn’t change.

Employed full time: Median usual weekly real earnings: Wage and salary workers: 16 years and over

Graph and download economic data for Employed full time: Median usual weekly real earnings: Wage and salary workers: 16 years and over (LES1252881600Q) from Q1 1979 to Q3 2025 about full-time, salaries, workers, earnings, 16 years +, wages, median, real, employment, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

Realizing that xiden and the demafacsit weren't going to win a second term really kick started wage growth

 

[struth]

All sorts of problems with the Trump Admin numbers

One of which is using zero for rental increases in October

Anyone believe that rents didn’t increase

You really are confused:

SFR Growth Decelerates To 15-Year Low​

SFR Growth Decelerates To 15-Year Low

Single-family rent (SFR) growth across the U.S. continues to moderate, reaching levels not seen in more than a decade, according to the latest Cotality Single-Family Rent Index (SFRI) for October 2025. The national index shows a year-over-year rent increase of just 0.9%, significantly lower than...

nationalmortgageprofessional.com

Single-family rent (SFR) growth across the U.S. continues to moderate, reaching levels not seen in more than a decade, according to the latest Cotality Single-Family Rent Index (SFRI) for October 2025. The national index shows a year-over-year rent increase of just 0.9%, significantly lower than the 2.8% gain recorded in October 2024, and marking the fourth consecutive month of deceleration.


You are welcome.....Trump is making American affordable and livable again.

 

[Luckyone]

Your best effort, little lady was a cut and paste from a leftist tabloid.

Who are these "economists"?

I agree 100% that Alternet website is very biased to the left, but dismissing the allegations made by them requires further research, given that often the bias nature of a website does not insure that the data is wrong.

In doing further research on the subject, this is what I found these FACTS:

• Canceled Data Releases: The administration has canceled the release of several key economic reports, including the advance estimate of the Q3 2025 GDP, the October jobs report, and a monthly inflation report, a move critics suggest is intended to hide potentially unfavorable data.
• Personnel Changes: The head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), Erika McEntarfer, was fired in August 2025 after a disappointing jobs report, leading to fears of political meddling in the independent agency.
• Disbanded Advisory Panels: Two independent expert panels that advised the government on improving the accuracy and methodology of economic data—the Federal Economic Statistics Advisory Committee (FESAC) and the Bureau of Economic Analysis Advisory Committee—were disbanded in early 2025.
• Budget Cuts and Staffing Losses: Federal statistical agencies have faced significant budget cuts and staff losses, which has lowered survey response rates and increased reliance on estimation methods, leading to "unusually noisy" and less reliable data, according to some experts.
• Promotion of Alternative Data: President Trump has promoted unaudited economic data "put together" by conservative think tanks like the Heritage Foundation, further fueling concerns about the integrity of official reporting.

Official Economic Data & Analysis

Despite the political turmoil and data delays, some official data has been released. The third quarter (July, August, September) of 2025 saw a strong real GDP annual growth rate of 4.3%, according to the initial estimate from the Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA). The November inflation rate was reported at an annual rate of 2.7%.
However, economists caution against over-interpreting single data points due to the current "season of noise" and data gaps, noting that the reported strength in Q3 GDP may be followed by a softer Q4 outlook. Most independent forecasts for the full year 2025 anticipate a real GDP growth closer to 1.7%–2.0% and an unemployment rate of around 4.5%.

To end it all, one also needs to consider that Trump is a proven liar and as such, what he says is more likely to be untrue than true!

 

[Luckyone]

Not buying these conpiracy theories.

see post #51

 

[struth]

I agree 100% that Alternet website is very biased to the left, but dismissing the allegations made by them requires further research, given that often the bias nature of a website does not insure that the data is wrong.

In doing further research on the subject, this is what I found these FACTS:

• Canceled Data Releases: The administration has canceled the release of several key economic reports, including the advance estimate of the Q3 2025 GDP, the October jobs report, and a monthly inflation report, a move critics suggest is intended to hide potentially unfavorable data.
• Personnel Changes: The head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), Erika McEntarfer, was fired in August 2025 after a disappointing jobs report, leading to fears of political meddling in the independent agency.
• Disbanded Advisory Panels: Two independent expert panels that advised the government on improving the accuracy and methodology of economic data—the Federal Economic Statistics Advisory Committee (FESAC) and the Bureau of Economic Analysis Advisory Committee—were disbanded in early 2025.
• Budget Cuts and Staffing Losses: Federal statistical agencies have faced significant budget cuts and staff losses, which has lowered survey response rates and increased reliance on estimation methods, leading to "unusually noisy" and less reliable data, according to some experts.
• Promotion of Alternative Data: President Trump has promoted unaudited economic data "put together" by conservative think tanks like the Heritage Foundation, further fueling concerns about the integrity of official reporting.

Official Economic Data & Analysis

Despite the political turmoil and data delays, some official data has been released. The third quarter (July, August, September) of 2025 saw a strong real GDP annual growth rate of 4.3%, according to the initial estimate from the Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA). The November inflation rate was reported at an annual rate of 2.7%.
However, economists caution against over-interpreting single data points due to the current "season of noise" and data gaps, noting that the reported strength in Q3 GDP may be followed by a softer Q4 outlook. Most independent forecasts for the full year 2025 anticipate a real GDP growth closer to 1.7%–2.0% and an unemployment rate of around 4.5%.

To end it all, one also needs to consider that Trump is a proven liar and as such, what he says is more likely to be untrue than true!

Q3 GDP was actually released….nkt sure what you mean by saying he canceled the advanced estimate of it. Here is it

Gross Domestic Product, 3rd Quarter 2025 (Initial Estimate) and Corporate Profits (Preliminary) | U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)

Real gross domestic product (GDP) increased at an annual rate of 4.3 percent in the third quarter of 2025 (July, August, and September), according to the initial estimate released by the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. In the second quarter, real GDP increased 3.8 percent.Due to the recent...

www.bea.gov

This is sort of the problem Dembots have when they simply cut and paste their taking without reading

 

[luiza]

I tols( ?? ) you those numbers weren't real.​

From the mistress of known accuracy and attention to detail .
!!!!!!!!!

You are a brilliant architect of your own detail failing .

 

[Papageorgio]

I agree 100% that Alternet website is very biased to the left, but dismissing the allegations made by them requires further research, given that often the bias nature of a website does not insure that the data is wrong.

In doing further research on the subject, this is what I found these FACTS:

• Canceled Data Releases: The administration has canceled the release of several key economic reports, including the advance estimate of the Q3 2025 GDP, the October jobs report, and a monthly inflation report, a move critics suggest is intended to hide potentially unfavorable data.
• Personnel Changes: The head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), Erika McEntarfer, was fired in August 2025 after a disappointing jobs report, leading to fears of political meddling in the independent agency.
• Disbanded Advisory Panels: Two independent expert panels that advised the government on improving the accuracy and methodology of economic data—the Federal Economic Statistics Advisory Committee (FESAC) and the Bureau of Economic Analysis Advisory Committee—were disbanded in early 2025.
• Budget Cuts and Staffing Losses: Federal statistical agencies have faced significant budget cuts and staff losses, which has lowered survey response rates and increased reliance on estimation methods, leading to "unusually noisy" and less reliable data, according to some experts.
• Promotion of Alternative Data: President Trump has promoted unaudited economic data "put together" by conservative think tanks like the Heritage Foundation, further fueling concerns about the integrity of official reporting.

Official Economic Data & Analysis

Despite the political turmoil and data delays, some official data has been released. The third quarter (July, August, September) of 2025 saw a strong real GDP annual growth rate of 4.3%, according to the initial estimate from the Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA). The November inflation rate was reported at an annual rate of 2.7%.
However, economists caution against over-interpreting single data points due to the current "season of noise" and data gaps, noting that the reported strength in Q3 GDP may be followed by a softer Q4 outlook. Most independent forecasts for the full year 2025 anticipate a real GDP growth closer to 1.7%–2.0% and an unemployment rate of around 4.5%.

To end it all, one also needs to consider that Trump is a proven liar and as such, what he says is more likely to be untrue than true!

The biggest issue with you is you are also a proven liar that runs and hides when called out. You are a hypocrite.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

see post #51

Yeah, not buying it.