I Think I Will Scream

[Mr.Blonde]

What's wrong with you people.... Nazis, the KKK and white supremacist groups are marching down our streets and calling for the banishment of Jews and blacks. And you are yawning and annoyed because it makes your President look bad when he waters down the seriousness of this problem? Y'all need to do some serious self reflection

As long as they aren't hurting anyone let them protest what ever the hell they want. All they are doing is making themselves look stupid.

There was no reason to counter protest since no one but themselves take them seriously.

Well they are hurting people like that Mississippi church they burned down and all the Jewish cemeteries they've vandalized and the promise just this week by one of their leaders saying more will die after that poor woman was run down by one

And the people who do that should be put in jail. But if all they are doing is marching then let them.

 

[toobfreak]

We can argue politics and policy all day, I'm fine with that... but everybody no matter what your politics or party should be condemning these guys, they are sick! When you try and change the subject or spread the blame it is a form of watering down their offenses.

Well, you and the group may be interested in a few facts I found out last night . . . .

• Donald Trump has been denouncing the KKK, Duke and all of the Neo-Nazis BY NAME for AT LEAST the past SIXTEEN YEARS!!! How many times do you have to keep repeating the same thing OVER & OVER? It was just LAST YEAR! It was a huge issue for weeks! Has everyone forgotten it? In March of 2016, he was asked at least a DOZEN TIMES by the media after the long defunct and irrelevant Duke must have made the passing comment that he liked Trump over Hillary. For all we know, he liked Trump simply because of Trump's starkly pro-American stance! Even Nazi's must have more to their lives than just hatred of Jews! And over and over again several times a day, Trump told the press: YES! I FIRMLY AND WHOLEHEARTED DENOUNCE DUKE! THE NAZIS! THE KKK! I DENOUNCED THEM! THEY ARE REVOLTING AND DESPICABLE! THEY ARE VILE! To the point to where it was getting ridiculous! Now a year later he has to do that all over again just because he denounced them again, along with the Antifa and any others that were fomenting hatred and violence in Charlottesville and elsewhere???????
• I saw another video interviewing Trump from 2001 where he sat there and in discussing the whole matter of the Nazi movement THEN, clearly and unabashedly denounced all that is connected to them and said they were a blight on our society IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS. And the Media know this; they follow, record and keep track of ALL OF THAT.

It has gotten ridiculous in its Pavlovian stature: "Do you support the KKK? NO! What about now? NO! Now? NO! Now? NO! Do you support them yet? What? You didn't answer us immediately? You must support them!" I see the very same shit tried here on this board over & over where a certain group tries to play that juvenile game.

• Someone on Fox went back THIRTY YEARS using THREE search engines looking up every clash over that period of time where Neo-Nazis, KKK and the like got into a conflict, fight, violent riot or whatever at one of their rallies and demonstrations with protesters and he could not find ONE INSTANCE WHERE THE STANDING PRESIDENT OF THAT TIME DENOUNCED THE NAZIS BY NAME!!!! Nor were they asked to. Now I dare anyone to prove that wrong.
• Ironically, HILLARY CLINTON as just one case I can think of actually endorsed KNOWN KKK member Senator Byrd, Democrat, and exuded KUDOS for the man as HER MENTOR!!! Meantime, BILL CLINTON did the same thing with SENATOR FULBRIGHT who had similar ties!!! I believe Clinton even dedicated a memorial to him. There was never any consternation let alone national and international outrage over that or any other time.

This entire nit-picking scandal now over HOW Trump condemned the Nazis, WHEN he condemned them, what color tie he was wearing when he condemned them is just another carefully laid out trap for Trump to walk through like hot coals set up in a way that is as absurd as it is in its inability to offer ANY path for him to navigate through without heaping scorn on him, in their never-ending quest to hurt him, and the Media counts on the short memories of the public. There was no "right" answer for Trump and had he done what they say exactly as they claim, he simply would have been criticized for something else just as he was a year ago. The actual record shows that DONALD TRUMP HAS SPOKEN OUT MORE IN DIRECT REFUTATION OF THE NAZI MOVEMENT THAN ANY OTHER PRESIDENT IN MODERN HISTORY!!! And yet the gullible public still bite at the issue like guppies. It has now gone on ad nauseum to the point that he and many others are plainly sick of it as just more of the overtly Fake News Hostile Media barking at his heels trying to erase his election. I for one won't have anything to do with falling for it; it is just another non-issue the media is twitching like a dead frog's leg for all of the attention they can muster and it is shocking the wide number of people all over that have fallen for it. As always, the Leftist Media and all related try to create this alter-reality just like the failed Russia investigation to where Trump has the least ties and THEY actually have the most; LIKEWISE, now Trump, the man with the most instances of loudly condemning KKK and Nazi types is again under attack by the very people with the most connections to them.

 

[toobfreak]

What's wrong with you people.... Nazis, the KKK and white supremacist groups are marching down our streets and calling for the banishment of Jews and blacks. And you are yawning and annoyed because it makes your President look bad when he waters down the seriousness of this problem? Y'all need to do some serious self reflection

That's the problem Slade, there was no watering. But I don't see you too worried about communists in the White House, schools and universities, or traitors in our intelligence agencies undermining our national security? At least with the Supremacists, they are only marching and yelling. Unlike Obama and Hillary and others in the DNC who've done REAL HARM to our country and led to the death of millions of lives in the Middle East, the Nazi and KKK groups mostly just make noise and stand little chance of ever actually banishing all the blacks and Jews or much of anything else other than to get a spot on the evening news.

We can argue politics and policy all day, I'm fine with that... but everybody no matter what your politics or party should be condemning these guys, they are sick! When you try and change the subject or spread the blame it is a form of watering down their offenses. Do yourself a favor and don't follow Trumps lead on this one... it does the opposite of making America great

They were condemned. Days ago. Along with the violent haters that went out to pick a fight with them. But somehow its not enough. We have to support the violence on the left or some how we are supporting the violence of the alt right.

That's pure nonsense.

You must not be paying attention. Have you noticed how many Trump supporters have come out against him? I saw 4 people cry on Fox News today and 3 were republicans that normally stand up for Trump. Open your eyes

Thus is the power of the Media to influence minds and thinking. But I doubt most or all of those crying people were ever real supporters in the first place. If they aren't as weak-minded as they appear, in a few weeks, they will see what a media charade all of this has been. Once again all the usual players are standing up and barking like trained seals. I thought Ringling Brothers were closed?! Trump was elected because he WASN'T PC! Don't believe now that all of a sudden those who voted for and support him are SHOCKED and demand that he need be. It is all one big leftist-media snow job.

 

[toobfreak]

They were condemned. Days ago. Along with the violent haters that went out to pick a fight with them. But somehow its not enough. We have to support the violence on the left or some how we are supporting the violence of the alt right.

That's pure nonsense.

You must not be paying attention. Have you noticed how many Trump supporters have come out against him? I saw 4 people cry on Fox News today and 3 were republicans that normally stand up for Trump. Open your eyes

So if everyone wanted to deny reality we are supposed to? If three republicans want to kill rabbits on live TV, we should all embrace this policy?

This is insanity. You don't embrace a group of people when you condemn another group of people doing the same exact crap

The fact that you try and equate the Nazi's with the ANTIFA who were protesting them is pathetic. I've explained it enough on this board, you are obviously not going to understand. To each their own.

The fact that you don't equate two violent hate groups is pathetic.

Ok, help me understand then. Tell us what the core message is of the Nazi's and KKK vs the core message of BLM and ANTIFA

Correct me if I'm wrong but one of the messages of the BLM is to kill cops. They say so in their chant: “What do we want? DEAD COPS! When do we want it? NOW!”. They pushed poor Bernie right off his own stage in their zeal! And the Antifa, their message seems to be that if they don't agree with you, they will come with bats to beat some sense into you until you see things their way. They are actually PERPETRATING FASCISM while preaching against it. And we all know what the Neo-Nazis want; NONE of these actors are very good because they ALL use violence and hatred and Trump was again 100% right in his statements.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

. . . . if I turn on the TV one more time and hear another minute of wall-to-wall nonstop 24/7 discussion of the most HEINOUS event of the 21st Century! DAYS after the fact . . . .

That President Trump blamed all sides in the violence in Charlottesville.

DAYS LATER, this is still the Number 1 News Story of the World? That Trump didn't denounce Nazism as the FIRST thing he said? Oh wait, he DID. But in doing so, he tried to include ALL forms of hatred and violence and made a call for more peace and unity in the country.

THAT BASTARD.

HE IS NO LEADER OF OURS.

It just amazes me the number of people even on Fox News calling this a moral outrage, complaining about the incessant coverage all the while never stopping talking about it, that all of his people on his manufacturing council for jobs walked out, and that he is now ruined with both his base and the voters. Because he had to SPELL OUT by name in one massive Pavlovian Catharsis that Nazi's aren't the nicest people, and blame them as the only and SOLE reason why a city turned into a mob.

But the city turned into a mob because once again, the police backed off and LET IT HAPPEN. They stood by and WATCHED.

People left and right all across the country and around the world can't trip over their own feet fast enough now in one big ME TOO to make sure they all barf out in genuflection how much they hate Nazis.

Me too!!! Hack! Spit! Ptooey!

Snifff. You can smell the Political Correction in the air, and the FEAR of being DENOUNCED as NOT being politically correct!

THERE'S ONE OVER THERE, BOB! ONE OF THOSE NON-PC PEOPLE! QUICK! GRAB HIM! TIME TO BURN HIM AT THE STAKE! THAT'LL FIX HIM!

But wait: isn't hatred what the Nazis are about? So you HATE the Nazis for HATING?

There is something seriously wrong with the world.

The Nazi's are FULLY ENTITLED to their opinions and views no matter what they are. There are no "conditions" of morality in the Constitution! If you don't agree with them, CHANGE THE ******* CHANNEL YOU GOD DAMNED SNOWFLAKE! There is more outrage over this small group of stupid zealot demonstrators than there is for Imams preaching Death to America in mosques all across our country!

The sad fact is that in all of this, Donald Trump is the only one who got it right. The Nazi's HAD A PERMIT to demonstrate and hold a rally there in Charlottesville, the Antifas did not. What did Charlottesville expect they would do--- ---maybe hand out flowers and Bibles? The problem with BOTH they AND the Antifas is that they both use hatred and violence as the tools to their own ends.

The irony is that the Antifas are protesting against fascism, in doing so in the way they do, they actually use the same methods as the very people they are protesting! Fascism!

Why not think of the Nazis and the Antifas both as groups of Love:

The Nazis would love a nation devoid of Blacks, Jews and Christians where only Whites dominate. They are just pissed because that world doesn't exist HERE. Maybe they need to go find an island somewhere.

And the Antifas would love a world free of other people telling you how to live your life and who can be here, by going around telling others how THEY should live and whether they can be here. And beat you with a bat if you don't comply.

And the world looks on and laughs at the madness as America spins and implodes.

Welcome! What a refreshing new poster we have here!

 

[toobfreak]

Who cried? I don't get Fox anymore.

The one I know of is Kat Tymph. A rather ditzy flaky schizoid woman I don't care for. She started out there mainly doing comedy skits parroting a blond airhead. I'm not sure how much of it was acting.

 

[Slade3200]

What's wrong with you people.... Nazis, the KKK and white supremacist groups are marching down our streets and calling for the banishment of Jews and blacks. And you are yawning and annoyed because it makes your President look bad when he waters down the seriousness of this problem? Y'all need to do some serious self reflection

Ok I self reflected. I conclude that KKK guys who dust off their bedsheet/pillow case outfit to protest are not a threat to America. The Liberal leadership of this country, The Media that does their bidding and the brainless masses that do their bidding are a threat to America.

Yeah well when they all rally together and decide to go on tour to spread their garbage then I do consider that a threat and I consider it inappropriate and I'm fine with standing up to their message of hate. Now Thats coming from me, a white guy, I imagine blacks and Jews have much deeper and personal feelings about this. You should too, but since it is making your president look bad you don't think it's relevant. That is so weak.

Standing up is one thing. Assaulting them, no matter how asinine their message is not. And there lies the problem. You have a rally full of a bunch of hate mongers but like it or not they have a right to wallow and trumpet their hate. Same as the other protesters.

The problem here is that there was violence all around and we do not really now who instigated what and when. All we really know is that there was one single person who went off the deep end and used a car as a weapon.

I find it sad that the only thing that anyone is capable of focusing on atm is the political correctness of what Trump said and when with little regard for anything else including the truth.

I do find it rather hysterical that Trump kept claiming that facts were important to him though - that was a hoot.

What's wrong with you people.... Nazis, the KKK and white supremacist groups are marching down our streets and calling for the banishment of Jews and blacks. And you are yawning and annoyed because it makes your President look bad when he waters down the seriousness of this problem? Y'all need to do some serious self reflection

So you are saying this stuff didn't go on under Obama?

I'm not saying that at all... im saying when you pivot the conversation to try and spread blame to others then you appear to be an apologist or sympathizer for those who are under fire. You understand that don't you?

That is a horrible way to look at things. it essentially opens the door up for anyone to do anything that they please to the unpopular stance because defending their right to take that stance would make you a sympathizer with their message.

Im not taking about general concepts I'm talking about this specific situation which is how we should discuss it. I never claimed that accountability wasn't important, it is important. I'm fine with talking about antifa violence and BLM violence and hold them accountable for anything inappropriate they do. But you don't water down the sickness that is happening with the Nazi/WS movement by clumping it together with problems happening with other groups. Especially when you're POTUS, you have to be better at messaging. He is either incredibily unaware of how important this is to so many people, or he doesn't care. I don't think he is a Nazi sympathizer but he is messaging like one. It's all ego

There is no "movement". These guys have their stupid rallies all the time. Don't you ask yourself why there were protesters at THIS particular white supremacist rally?

Really? You think this is the norm? You don't think there has been major growth in their movement over the past year?

Did you happen to watch the Vice Documentary from last weekend? Give it a look if not, I'd like to hear your thoughts

 

[The Derp]

ut the city turned into a mob because once again, the police backed off and LET IT HAPPEN. They stood by and WATCHED.

Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses.

 

[The Derp]

Ok I self reflected. I conclude that KKK guys who dust off their bedsheet/pillow case outfit to protest are not a threat to America. The Liberal leadership of this country, The Media that does their bidding and the brainless masses that do their bidding are a threat to America.

You are delusional.

 

[Slade3200]

. . . . if I turn on the TV one more time and hear another minute of wall-to-wall nonstop 24/7 discussion of the most HEINOUS event of the 21st Century! DAYS after the fact . . . .

That President Trump blamed all sides in the violence in Charlottesville.

DAYS LATER, this is still the Number 1 News Story of the World? That Trump didn't denounce Nazism as the FIRST thing he said? Oh wait, he DID. But in doing so, he tried to include ALL forms of hatred and violence and made a call for more peace and unity in the country.

THAT BASTARD.

HE IS NO LEADER OF OURS.

It just amazes me the number of people even on Fox News calling this a moral outrage, complaining about the incessant coverage all the while never stopping talking about it, that all of his people on his manufacturing council for jobs walked out, and that he is now ruined with both his base and the voters. Because he had to SPELL OUT by name in one massive Pavlovian Catharsis that Nazi's aren't the nicest people, and blame them as the only and SOLE reason why a city turned into a mob.

But the city turned into a mob because once again, the police backed off and LET IT HAPPEN. They stood by and WATCHED.

People left and right all across the country and around the world can't trip over their own feet fast enough now in one big ME TOO to make sure they all barf out in genuflection how much they hate Nazis.

Me too!!! Hack! Spit! Ptooey!

Snifff. You can smell the Political Correction in the air, and the FEAR of being DENOUNCED as NOT being politically correct!

THERE'S ONE OVER THERE, BOB! ONE OF THOSE NON-PC PEOPLE! QUICK! GRAB HIM! TIME TO BURN HIM AT THE STAKE! THAT'LL FIX HIM!

But wait: isn't hatred what the Nazis are about? So you HATE the Nazis for HATING?

There is something seriously wrong with the world.

The Nazi's are FULLY ENTITLED to their opinions and views no matter what they are. There are no "conditions" of morality in the Constitution! If you don't agree with them, CHANGE THE ******* CHANNEL YOU GOD DAMNED SNOWFLAKE! There is more outrage over this small group of stupid zealot demonstrators than there is for Imams preaching Death to America in mosques all across our country!

The sad fact is that in all of this, Donald Trump is the only one who got it right. The Nazi's HAD A PERMIT to demonstrate and hold a rally there in Charlottesville, the Antifas did not. What did Charlottesville expect they would do--- ---maybe hand out flowers and Bibles? The problem with BOTH they AND the Antifas is that they both use hatred and violence as the tools to their own ends.

The irony is that the Antifas are protesting against fascism, in doing so in the way they do, they actually use the same methods as the very people they are protesting! Fascism!

Why not think of the Nazis and the Antifas both as groups of Love:

The Nazis would love a nation devoid of Blacks, Jews and Christians where only Whites dominate. They are just pissed because that world doesn't exist HERE. Maybe they need to go find an island somewhere.

And the Antifas would love a world free of other people telling you how to live your life and who can be here, by going around telling others how THEY should live and whether they can be here.

And the world looks on and laughs at the madness as America spins and implodes.

Instead of basking in your confusion and misunderstanding of this situation, how about to take a second to look at it objectively and realize there are some deep seeded and serious issues with what happened.

TODAY I saw 2 anchors and 2 pundits cry on Fox News. This is not just a MSM leftie overreaction

Those people are MSM lefties.

Really? Kat Timf and Mellisa Frances are MSM lefties? Ok buddy

 

[BluesLegend]

The media is frothing themselves over this and no one cares.

Typical, the media live in a bubble.

 

[BluesLegend]

The media aka FAKE NEWS are desperate for something, anything they can use to take Trump down its glaringly obvious at this point.

 

[Slade3200]

What's wrong with you people.... Nazis, the KKK and white supremacist groups are marching down our streets and calling for the banishment of Jews and blacks. And you are yawning and annoyed because it makes your President look bad when he waters down the seriousness of this problem? Y'all need to do some serious self reflection

Looks like we have some new posters (agenda from a stormy other place?) coming on to tell us this is stale news? People talk about what they want to talk about....and right now we are VERY concerned about the re-rising of NAZIS and the KKK in our country.

You're still talking about it... this thread was started by somebody who was tired of hearing about this "stale news"... are you seeing the irony yet?

 

[g5000]

. . . . if I turn on the TV one more time and hear another minute of wall-to-wall nonstop 24/7 discussion of the most HEINOUS event of the 21st Century! DAYS after the fact . . . .

That President Trump blamed all sides in the violence in Charlottesville.

DAYS LATER, this is still the Number 1 News Story of the World? That Trump didn't denounce Nazism as the FIRST thing he said? Oh wait, he DID.

It took Herr Drumpf two days to find it in himself to condemn the Nazis.

It took him two seconds to condemn the black guy who quit his Manufacturing Council.

Figure it out, rube.

 

[Slade3200]

. . . . if I turn on the TV one more time and hear another minute of wall-to-wall nonstop 24/7 discussion of the most HEINOUS event of the 21st Century! DAYS after the fact . . . .

That President Trump blamed all sides in the violence in Charlottesville.

DAYS LATER, this is still the Number 1 News Story of the World? That Trump didn't denounce Nazism as the FIRST thing he said? Oh wait, he DID. But in doing so, he tried to include ALL forms of hatred and violence and made a call for more peace and unity in the country.

THAT BASTARD.

HE IS NO LEADER OF OURS.

It just amazes me the number of people even on Fox News calling this a moral outrage, complaining about the incessant coverage all the while never stopping talking about it, that all of his people on his manufacturing council for jobs walked out, and that he is now ruined with both his base and the voters. Because he had to SPELL OUT by name in one massive Pavlovian Catharsis that Nazi's aren't the nicest people, and blame them as the only and SOLE reason why a city turned into a mob.

But the city turned into a mob because once again, the police backed off and LET IT HAPPEN. They stood by and WATCHED.

People left and right all across the country and around the world can't trip over their own feet fast enough now in one big ME TOO to make sure they all barf out in genuflection how much they hate Nazis.

Me too!!! Hack! Spit! Ptooey!

Snifff. You can smell the Political Correction in the air, and the FEAR of being DENOUNCED as NOT being politically correct!

THERE'S ONE OVER THERE, BOB! ONE OF THOSE NON-PC PEOPLE! QUICK! GRAB HIM! TIME TO BURN HIM AT THE STAKE! THAT'LL FIX HIM!

But wait: isn't hatred what the Nazis are about? So you HATE the Nazis for HATING?

There is something seriously wrong with the world.

The Nazi's are FULLY ENTITLED to their opinions and views no matter what they are. There are no "conditions" of morality in the Constitution! If you don't agree with them, CHANGE THE ******* CHANNEL YOU GOD DAMNED SNOWFLAKE! There is more outrage over this small group of stupid zealot demonstrators than there is for Imams preaching Death to America in mosques all across our country!

The sad fact is that in all of this, Donald Trump is the only one who got it right. The Nazi's HAD A PERMIT to demonstrate and hold a rally there in Charlottesville, the Antifas did not. What did Charlottesville expect they would do--- ---maybe hand out flowers and Bibles? The problem with BOTH they AND the Antifas is that they both use hatred and violence as the tools to their own ends.

The irony is that the Antifas are protesting against fascism, in doing so in the way they do, they actually use the same methods as the very people they are protesting! Fascism!

Why not think of the Nazis and the Antifas both as groups of Love:

The Nazis would love a nation devoid of Blacks, Jews and Christians where only Whites dominate. They are just pissed because that world doesn't exist HERE. Maybe they need to go find an island somewhere.

And the Antifas would love a world free of other people telling you how to live your life and who can be here, by going around telling others how THEY should live and whether they can be here.

And the world looks on and laughs at the madness as America spins and implodes.

Instead of basking in your confusion and misunderstanding of this situation, how about to take a second to look at it objectively and realize there are some deep seeded and serious issues with what happened.

TODAY I saw 2 anchors and 2 pundits cry on Fox News. This is not just a MSM leftie overreaction

Who cried? I don't get Fox anymore.

Two pundits in fox and friends, I dont remember their names. One was a republican strategist and the other a democrat. Kat Timf on Fox News specialist got emotional and they cut away. And Mellisa Frances lost it, full on waterworks, on outnumbered yesterday.

This is not a stale nothing story... there is deep rooted emotion surrounding what's going on... on both sides

 

[The Derp]

Correct me if I'm wrong but one of the messages of the BLM is to kill cops.

You're wrong. First of all, BLM isn't a centralized group. Secondly, the message of BLM is that they don't want police to kill them.

They say so in their chant: “What do we want? DEAD COPS! When do we want it? NOW!”.

Where did you hear this? Or did you hear someone on Fox News or in the Republican Party say they said that?

They pushed poor Bernie right off his own stage in their zeal! And the Antifa, their message seems to be that if they don't agree with you, they will come with bats to beat some sense into you until you see things their way.

First of all, do we really need to convince people that Nazis and fascists are bad? By saying they victimize you because they don't "agree with you", think about what it is you disagree with them on. Do you disagree with them that fascists and Nazis have no place in this country? Because that's what antifa is all about. Also, not a singular group...antifa is anti-fascist. So you're saying you disagree with their anti-fascist message? Why? You like fascists and Nazis? Because that's the only explanation that makes sense.

They are actually PERPETRATING FASCISM while preaching against it. And we all know what the Neo-Nazis want; NONE of these actors are very good because they ALL use violence and hatred and Trump was again 100% right in his statements.

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Anti-fascists are fascists because they hate fascists? Fuckin' pretzel logic there. Why not just come out and say what you really feel; that Nazis have legitimate grievances.

 

[Slade3200]

We can argue politics and policy all day, I'm fine with that... but everybody no matter what your politics or party should be condemning these guys, they are sick! When you try and change the subject or spread the blame it is a form of watering down their offenses.

Well, you and the group may be interested in a few facts I found out last night . . . .

• Donald Trump has been denouncing the KKK, Duke and all of the Neo-Nazis BY NAME for AT LEAST the past SIXTEEN YEARS!!! How many times do you have to keep repeating the same thing OVER & OVER? It was just LAST YEAR! It was a huge issue for weeks! Has everyone forgotten it? In March of 2016, he was asked at least a DOZEN TIMES by the media after the long defunct and irrelevant Duke must have made the passing comment that he liked Trump over Hillary. For all we know, he liked Trump simply because of Trump's starkly pro-American stance! Even Nazi's must have more to their lives than just hatred of Jews! And over and over again several times a day, Trump told the press: YES! I FIRMLY AND WHOLEHEARTED DENOUNCE DUKE! THE NAZIS! THE KKK! I DENOUNCED THEM! THEY ARE REVOLTING AND DESPICABLE! THEY ARE VILE! To the point to where it was getting ridiculous! Now a year later he has to do that all over again just because he denounced them again, along with the Antifa and any others that were fomenting hatred and violence in Charlottesville and elsewhere???????
• I saw another video interviewing Trump from 2001 where he sat there and in discussing the whole matter of the Nazi movement THEN, clearly and unabashedly denounced all that is connected to them and said they were a blight on our society IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS. And the Media know this; they follow, record and keep track of ALL OF THAT.

It has gotten ridiculous in its Pavlovian stature: "Do you support the KKK? NO! What about now? NO! Now? NO! Now? NO! Do you support them yet? What? You didn't answer us immediately? You must support them!" I see the very same shit tried here on this board over & over where a certain group tries to play that juvenile game.

• Someone on Fox went back THIRTY YEARS using THREE search engines looking up every clash over that period of time where Neo-Nazis, KKK and the like got into a conflict, fight, violent riot or whatever at one of their rallies and demonstrations with protesters and he could not find ONE INSTANCE WHERE THE STANDING PRESIDENT OF THAT TIME DENOUNCED THE NAZIS BY NAME!!!! Nor were they asked to. Now I dare anyone to prove that wrong.
• Ironically, HILLARY CLINTON as just one case I can think of actually endorsed KNOWN KKK member Senator Byrd, Democrat, and exuded KUDOS for the man as HER MENTOR!!! Meantime, BILL CLINTON did the same thing with SENATOR FULBRIGHT who had similar ties!!! I believe Clinton even dedicated a memorial to him. There was never any consternation let alone national and international outrage over that or any other time.

This entire nit-picking scandal now over HOW Trump condemned the Nazis, WHEN he condemned them, what color tie he was wearing when he condemned them is just another carefully laid out trap for Trump to walk through like hot coals set up in a way that is as absurd as it is in its inability to offer ANY path for him to navigate through without heaping scorn on him, in their never-ending quest to hurt him, and the Media counts on the short memories of the public. There was no "right" answer for Trump and had he done what they say exactly as they claim, he simply would have been criticized for something else just as he was a year ago. The actual record shows that DONALD TRUMP HAS SPOKEN OUT MORE IN DIRECT REFUTATION OF THE NAZI MOVEMENT THAN ANY OTHER PRESIDENT IN MODERN HISTORY!!! And yet the gullible public still bite at the issue like guppies. It has now gone on ad nauseum to the point that he and many others are plainly sick of it as just more of the overtly Fake News Hostile Media barking at his heels trying to erase his election. I for one won't have anything to do with falling for it; it is just another non-issue the media is twitching like a dead frog's leg for all of the attention they can muster and it is shocking the wide number of people all over that have fallen for it. As always, the Leftist Media and all related try to create this alter-reality just like the failed Russia investigation to where Trump has the least ties and THEY actually have the most; LIKEWISE, now Trump, the man with the most instances of loudly condemning KKK and Nazi types is again under attack by the very people with the most connections to them.

Facts from your reports don't trump what I see with my own eyes... i personally think its all ego and not so much Trump being a racists... but when you look at cause and effect his actions are making these hate groups feel empowered.

 

[The Derp]

Two pundits in fox and friends, I dont remember their names. One was a republican strategist and the other a democrat. Kat Timf on Fox News specialist got emotional and they cut away. And Mellisa Frances lost it, full on waterworks, on outnumbered yesterday.
This is not a stale nothing story... there is deep rooted emotion surrounding what's going on... on both sides

What "deep rooted emotion" is legitimate on the Nazi side? You realize in your effort to be "balanced" (which is only for yourself, no one else...get over yourself) you are legitimizing Nazis and fascists. I thought they had no place in America. Now you're saying Nazis and fascists do have a place in America. How so?

 

[Slade3200]

What's wrong with you people.... Nazis, the KKK and white supremacist groups are marching down our streets and calling for the banishment of Jews and blacks. And you are yawning and annoyed because it makes your President look bad when he waters down the seriousness of this problem? Y'all need to do some serious self reflection

That's the problem Slade, there was no watering. But I don't see you too worried about communists in the White House, schools and universities, or traitors in our intelligence agencies undermining our national security? At least with the Supremacists, they are only marching and yelling. Unlike Obama and Hillary and others in the DNC who've done REAL HARM to our country and led to the death of millions of lives in the Middle East, the Nazi and KKK groups mostly just make noise and stand little chance of ever actually banishing all the blacks and Jews or much of anything else other than to get a spot on the evening news.

We can argue politics and policy all day, I'm fine with that... but everybody no matter what your politics or party should be condemning these guys, they are sick! When you try and change the subject or spread the blame it is a form of watering down their offenses. Do yourself a favor and don't follow Trumps lead on this one... it does the opposite of making America great

They were condemned. Days ago. Along with the violent haters that went out to pick a fight with them. But somehow its not enough. We have to support the violence on the left or some how we are supporting the violence of the alt right.

That's pure nonsense.

You must not be paying attention. Have you noticed how many Trump supporters have come out against him? I saw 4 people cry on Fox News today and 3 were republicans that normally stand up for Trump. Open your eyes

Thus is the power of the Media to influence minds and thinking. But I doubt most or all of those crying people were ever real supporters in the first place. If they aren't as weak-minded as they appear, in a few weeks, they will see what a media charade all of this has been. Once again all the usual players are standing up and barking like trained seals. I thought Ringling Brothers were closed?! Trump was elected because he WASN'T PC! Don't believe now that all of a sudden those who voted for and support him are SHOCKED and demand that he need be. It is all one big leftist-media snow job.

You sound like somebody who doesn't know what they are talking about. You're making assumptions about people without even knowing who they are, and then your making generalizations about the "usual players" when it is much more than that... congressmen like Cotton, who has been a strong Trump supporter came out, plus the heads of each of our armed forces all came out with statements reaffirming our values. They never do stuff like that but felt compelled because it sure wasn't coming from our White House.

 

[Slade3200]

You must not be paying attention. Have you noticed how many Trump supporters have come out against him? I saw 4 people cry on Fox News today and 3 were republicans that normally stand up for Trump. Open your eyes

So if everyone wanted to deny reality we are supposed to? If three republicans want to kill rabbits on live TV, we should all embrace this policy?

This is insanity. You don't embrace a group of people when you condemn another group of people doing the same exact crap

The fact that you try and equate the Nazi's with the ANTIFA who were protesting them is pathetic. I've explained it enough on this board, you are obviously not going to understand. To each their own.

The fact that you don't equate two violent hate groups is pathetic.

Ok, help me understand then. Tell us what the core message is of the Nazi's and KKK vs the core message of BLM and ANTIFA

Correct me if I'm wrong but one of the messages of the BLM is to kill cops. They say so in their chant: “What do we want? DEAD COPS! When do we want it? NOW!”. They pushed poor Bernie right off his own stage in their zeal! And the Antifa, their message seems to be that if they don't agree with you, they will come with bats to beat some sense into you until you see things their way. They are actually PERPETRATING FASCISM while preaching against it. And we all know what the Neo-Nazis want; NONE of these actors are very good because they ALL use violence and hatred and Trump was again 100% right in his statements.

Yeah, I brought up that BLM chant earlier. It was disgusting and came from a fringe of that group that should absolutely be disenvowed.

But the core message of BLM is not to cleanse this country of all cops. You see the difference?