I phones suck....

[Leo123]

Proprietary arm made by the same company. The arm only moves side to side not up and down. Only the headshell moves up and down, balanced by the thread running back to a weight stationed at the back of the arm. This gives you some idea what I mean.

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So, is that arrangement for better arm stabilization? Quite esoteric and magnificent.

 

[toobfreak]

So, is that arrangement for better arm stabilization? Quite esoteric and magnificent.

No, it eliminates moving mass. So instead of having the inertia of the entire arm moving up and down loading the stylus (which deflects the conductive winding from the ideal central zone of the magnetic field causing non-linearities in output), all the stylus must deal with is the inertia mass of the headshell (a carbon foam composite) and the phono cartridge itself.

This reduces the need of tracking pressure from 2-3 grams down to a fraction of a gram.

 

[MarathonMike]

I can't speak to iPhones (or any smartphones) as I don't use them, but I use a MacPro.
Sounds to me you just are not learned on how the Mac OS system works.
Generally, the data and architecture is anything but hidden and tons of SW are free.
And because the system is proprietary, stuff written for it runs really well on it.
My MacPro is 14 years old and still going strong.
I run Windows on it as a 2nd OS and it runs better on it than an actual PC.

You don't use an phone at all?

 

[Leo123]

No, it eliminates moving mass. So instead of having the inertia of the entire arm moving up and down loading the stylus (which deflects the conductive winding from the ideal central zone of the magnetic field causing non-linearities in output), all the stylus must deal with is the inertia mass of the headshell (a carbon foam composite) and the phono cartridge itself.

This reduces the need of tracking pressure from 2-3 grams down to a fraction of a gram.

That sounds very stable. I always found the weight tone arm adjustments finicky.

 

[Captain Caveman]

I've always been an Android man. For the brief time that I had an iPhone I found an impossibly difficult to access almost all of my favorite software.

Then every time you sneeze, laugh or fart Apple wants a nickel for it. Most of my stuff on the Android is free software....sure it comes with some ads here and there but I don't really mind that.

At one time Apple could boast the best peripheral connectivity for the various appurtenances but the Androids have caught up now and are just as easy.

For quite a while the Apple stock phones seem to have had a screen cracking disease. My grandson ( the one I raised) uses iPhones exclusively and for a long time we were at the phone repair shop once every 6 weeks or so for a new screen. That seems to have subsided partially because he's grown up a little and partially I think because Apple got a lot of shit over it.

Also having cut my teeth on Windows I can't stand Apple's data storage system. It seems bent on hiding everything from you instead of making it available. But that's just me.

For 3 years in work I had one Windows machine and one iOS.... I will say the engineering programs worked spectacularly well on the Apple machines.

Now it's all windows.

Jo

Since the iPod days, I've always had Android because iPod trapped you into iTunes etc.. Android gives you the freedom of a much greater software database, music is easier to manage, and loads of phones to choose from to suit everyone's budget.

With my laptop, it's windows but all the software I run isn't. I use Firefox, Open Office, and Thunderbird.

 

[toobfreak]

You don't use an phone at all?

Well, I have my landline. I also finally bought another cellphone (just a regular standard flip phone) last year because I was forced to for several reasons, some companies insist on sending you a text message to confirm your identity for logging into accounts now and sometimes when I'm out picking something up or being driven somewhere, the only way to reach them is by cellphone or they insist on sending a text message. So I begrudgingly bought a cellphone then added the texting, and now generally take it with me when I'm out. Other than that, the phone is never on nor used. It is still on its first charge. I really resent being forced to buy a product I don't want or really need simply to make other people's lives easier. It should be illegal to require people to buy a product you don't need but this is what the government is getting away with now, and they have succeeded by creating a product that is addictive to 99.9% of consumers--- man do they love their smartphones.

You see, when I used to design stuff, in the 1990s, I started getting pressured to add stuff to the circuitry of some things which had no needed function to the device other than to collect usage data, basically spy chips. I eventually changed jobs because it really offended me to have to add a chip to a device whose only function was to surreptitiously collect data on the user and the use of the product without the end user's knowledge nor permission. There is no requirement to include a warning or disclaimer in the user manual that use of the product may lead to the collection of user information. If nothing else, the user ought to collect a fee for agreeing to said collection as you are providing someone with a valuable service! These chips are in everything now, but nothing spies on you more than a smartphone. That is why I bought a cellphone that you can actually open and remove the battery if you want, and you can turn it off and when it is off, it is really off, no drain on power, no ping, nothing.

And since I'm sure someone will now ask what phone I use that does that, I bought a Verve Snap. I don't think they are made or sold anymore and I got one of the last my cellular company had cheap. It is actually a really nice phone, the nicest and best of three cellphones I've had (the first was an analog cellphone), and it takes really nice pictures too, not that I use a cellphone for taking photos or video. I hate that shit of people always standing around taking video of everything with their phones. Smartphones and the internet in general is actually very damaging to society. BTW, if anyone doesn't know this, about 88% of all the traffic on the web you are locked out of and don't even see nor can you access it without special software. Turns out the web is NOT there for you and I.

I absolutely would never buy a smartphone like an iPhone, Android, et al for that reason. I have a powerful computer at home and if I can't make it to the store or somewhere and back without carrying a phone or needing the web, I should kick myself. I really hate being dependent on or controlled by technology. When I go out and take my cellphone, it is off. I don't receive calls with it, no one has my number, and if I actually really do need it, I turn it on at the destination, use it there and turn it back off. I try real hard to be off the network at all times whenever possible. The other reason I would never buy a smartphone parallels my ventures into audio gear--- just as all consumer gear, stereos, etc., are all built with designed obsolescence, so are smartphones, that is why every couple of years, you have to keep sinking money into updates or a new phone. They got you by the balls milking you for cash. Now they are doing that with software, one of the biggest offenders is Adobe. That is also why pro audio gear sounds so good, it has no designed obsolescence built into it. Pro audio gear is built to sound the best it can sound period and to be as reliable as possible and last forever because if it were anything else, it would be of no use to the musician or sound engineer. That is why I build my own shit or use pro audio gear for my own personal music systems--- the stuff delivers.

 

[toobfreak]

That sounds very stable. I always found the weight tone arm adjustments finicky.

The arm I use in the Denon DD table in my photo is actually a Grace tonearm. Actually a pretty nice arm and I'm very happy with it. I use a Joseph Grado cartridge with it. Another nice phono cartridge is made by AKG. I had a P8e model that I adored. I never should have sold it. And since West brought up B&O, I also have a B&O cartridge laying around someone gave me, but its not as good as the other two mentioned.

 

[MarathonMike]

Well, I have my landline. I also finally bought another cellphone (just a regular standard flip phone) last year because I was forced to for several reasons, some companies insist on sending you a text message to confirm your identity for logging into accounts now and sometimes when I'm out picking something up or being driven somewhere, the only way to reach them is by cellphone or they insist on sending a text message. So I begrudgingly bought a cellphone then added the texting, and now generally take it with me when I'm out. Other than that, the phone is never on nor used. It is still on its first charge. I really resent being forced to buy a product I don't want or really need simply to make other people's lives easier. It should be illegal to require people to buy a product you don't need but this is what the government is getting away with now, and they have succeeded by creating a product that is addictive to 99.9% of consumers--- man do they love their smartphones.

You see, when I used to design stuff, in the 1990s, I started getting pressured to add stuff to the circuitry of some things which had no needed function to the device other than to collect usage data, basically spy chips. I eventually changed jobs because it really offended me to have to add a chip to a device whose only function was to surreptitiously collect data on the user and the use of the product without the end user's knowledge nor permission. There is no requirement to include a warning or disclaimer in the user manual that use of the product may lead to the collection of user information. If nothing else, the user ought to collect a fee for agreeing to said collection as you are providing someone with a valuable service! These chips are in everything now, but nothing spies on you more than a smartphone. That is why I bought a cellphone that you can actually open and remove the battery if you want, and you can turn it off and when it is off, it is really off, no drain on power, no ping, nothing.

And since I'm sure someone will now ask what phone I use that does that, I bought a Verve Snap. I don't think they are made or sold anymore and I got one of the last my cellular company had cheap. It is actually a really nice phone, the nicest and best of three cellphones I've had (the first was an analog cellphone), and it takes really nice pictures too, not that I use a cellphone for taking photos or video. I hate that shit of people always standing around taking video of everything with their phones. Smartphones and the internet in general is actually very damaging to society. BTW, if anyone doesn't know this, about 88% of all the traffic on the web you are locked out of and don't even see nor can you access it without special software. Turns out the web is NOT there for you and I.

I absolutely would never buy a smartphone like an iPhone, Android, et al for that reason. I have a powerful computer at home and if I can't make it to the store or somewhere and back without carrying a phone or needing the web, I should kick myself. I really hate being dependent on or controlled by technology. When I go out and take my cellphone, it is off. I don't receive calls with it, no one has my number, and if I actually really do need it, I turn it on at the destination, use it there and turn it back off. I try real hard to be off the network at all times whenever possible. The other reason I would never buy a smartphone parallels my ventures into audio gear--- just as all consumer gear, stereos, etc., are all built with designed obsolescence, so are smartphones, that is why every couple of years, you have to keep sinking money into updates or a new phone. They got you by the balls milking you for cash. Now they are doing that with software, one of the biggest offenders is Adobe. That is also why pro audio gear sounds so good, it has no designed obsolescence built into it. Pro audio gear is built to sound the best it can sound period and to be as reliable as possible and last forever because if it were anything else, it would be of no use to the musician or sound engineer. That is why I build my own shit or use pro audio gear for my own personal music systems--- the stuff delivers.

Very interesting thanks!

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

I’ve had way better performance stability with iPhones than androids. Android functionality is less proprietary but with the advent in streaming that’s less of an issue for me.