Our survival by 2049 depends on our independence by tariffs like 25% on Apple and other companies!

[leftwinger]

Yea sure, lets close our eyes at all the volatility Trump's incoherent make-it-up-on-the-fly trade policy is stiring up daily and just "see".

In Dear Leader we trust. It will all be just fine and it's definetly not a trainwreck to nowhere like his first presidency.

LET'S DO NOTHING says the ignorant little boy waiting on his hot pocket to heat up. Everything is fine as-is sayeth Stain and American competitors. 12 yrs of Obiden nothing....$28T is OK with Jimmy.

 

[sealybobo]

There are automated wave solder machines in-use since the early 80s’. No one needs “small hands” to sol


Not sure why they need so much small hands labor for APPL phones as you and your brother suggest. PC boards are wave soldered by machine since 1980 at least. Yes "0603" Surface mount components are small. Too small to see with maked eye....but you can do anything in USA you can do elsewhere. Small hands not required?

Maybe we got it from Howard Lutnick.

“Remember the army of millions and millions of human beings screwing in little screws to make iPhones?” commerce secretary Howard Lutnick said in early April. “That kind of thing is going to come to America.”


The last time a smartphone factory opened in the US, it closed within a year.

In 2013, Motorola announced it wanted to challenge the conventional wisdom that manufacturing in the US was too expensive. But 12 months later, the facility in Fort Worth, Texas, was shut down because of disappointing sales and high costs.

Oh we can do it here, for about $3,500 if fully assembled in the US.

The bigger issue is moving the sophisticated global supply chains built up over decades that sustain Apple’s operations in China.

China is fast, flexible and world class, so it’s about much more than low labour costs now.”

This is more realistic. We move production to India. Apple is planning to scale back in China but the main beneficiary will be India, where they have been developing an alternative supply chain for nearly a decade and now plan to assemble all US-sold iPhones.

A look inside the world’s most popular smartphone neatly illustrates how complex Apple’s supply chain has become — and why analysts have dismissed Trump’s vision as unrealistic.

 

[leftwinger]

Americans have NO INTEREST in paying $3000 for an iPhone.

The compromise is for Trump to shove his daily tarrifs up his you know what and to do what voters primarily put him in office to do - REDUCE PRICES AND GROW ECONOMY.

25% tarrif on $1000 is $1250. Sod off kid.

 

[sealybobo]

Americans have NO INTEREST in paying $3000 for an iPhone.

The compromise is for Trump to shove his daily tarrifs up his you know what and to do what voters primarily put him in office to do - REDUCE PRICES AND GROW ECONOMY.

I believe the best thing to do is manufacture phones sold in America in India

 

[AntonToo]

25% tarrif on $1000 is $1250. Sod off kid.

25% is on not-American-made iPhone. $3000 is an American made iPhone that Trump wants.

Would it kill you to keep up with what is being discussed? This is not rocket science here.

 

[leftwinger]

I believe the best thing to do is manufacture phones sold in America in India

That's one way to generate competition but I won't put your boys to work on welfare in DET STL CAMDEN MEMPHIS etc.

 

[sealybobo]

That's one way to generate competition but I won't put your boys to work on welfare in DET STL CAMDEN MEMPHIS etc.

We are at zero unemployment right now. Anyone who isn't working, doesn't want to. At least that was true last year before Trump fired a bunch of government workers.

So your plan is to get people who don't want to work to work for real cheap? LOL.

I know what Republicans are going to do. Have prisoners make our Iphones. I've always been against doing that but I can see Republicans using prisoners. It's called the Prison Industrial Complex.

 

[leftwinger]

25% is on not-American-made iPhone. $3000 is an American made iPhone that Trump wants.

Would it kill you to keep up with what is being discussed? This is not rocket science here.

Phones come in from China. No one is stopping them they will pay 25%. So probably mark up 25% =$250+

Or eat the cost to keep Americans out of the market? GOVT collects. We pay less taxes. Winning. SHUP duff.

 

[AntonToo]

LET'S DO NOTHING

Said NO ONE.

I'll support Trump doing something as soon as it's a coherent, comperehnsive policy based on sound facts and reason.

Him making smartphones more expesive with his tarrifs and crazy demands for domestic production at many times the cost is not it.

 

[leftwinger]

We are at zero unemployment right now. Anyone who isn't working, doesn't want to. At least that was true last year before Trump fired a bunch of government workers.

So your plan is to get people who don't want to work to work for real cheap? LOL.

I know what Republicans are going to do. Have prisoners make our Iphones. I've always been against doing that but I can see Republicans using prisoners. It's called the Prison Industrial Complex.

Vs. Paying welfare yes? Cut them off. A job is more satisfying long term. Gotta start somewhere.


My idea from other thread. I try at least.
**
President Trump should work with the likes of APPL or Amazon to force them to setup live in factory sites (like China) for inner city youth to be housed and learn to work.

They could have money management help. Savings. Meals, showers, food on the company. Yes, part of pay package.

You sign up willingly to get on board. You mess up, fighting, not working you go to 1week lockup. You get one chance to come back.

Security on-site of course. Drugs, booze no issue as you are basically locked down onsite. Work hard. No time but to eat and sleep and learn.

Hey, I’m trying out here!

**expand this sort of thinking to ither industries”. Even the fields for low level prisoners reduced sentences.

 

[leftwinger]

We are at zero unemployment right now. Anyone who isn't working, doesn't want to. At least that was true last year before Trump fired a bunch of government workers.

So your plan is to get people who don't want to work to work for real cheap? LOL.

I know what Republicans are going to do. Have prisoners make our Iphones. I've always been against doing that but I can see Republicans using prisoners. It's called the Prison Industrial Complex.

Zero employment my butt, you think those flash mobs in LA, street car mayhem circles in OAK or ATL are getting up at 6AM to go to work at WalMart?

Quit tossing out BS numbers as fact.//

 

[my2¢]

America has become an unreliable trade partner and Trump disrespect towards other countries has yielded animosity towards American tourism and products. With these on-again, off-again tariffs, our government has become unpredictable for our own corporations to plan their future strategy. We run risk of international corporations such as Apple threatening to head off to Ireland.

 

[sealybobo]

Vs. Paying welfare yes? Cut them off. A job is more satisfying long term. Gotta start somewhere.


My idea from other thread. I try at least.
**
President Trump should work with the likes of APPL or Amazon to force them to setup live in factory sites (like China) for inner city youth to be housed and learn to work.

They could have money management help. Savings. Meals, showers, food on the company. Yes, part of pay package.

You sign up willingly to get on board. You mess up, fighting, not working you go to 1week lockup. You get one chance to come back.

Security on-site of course. Drugs, booze no issue as you are basically locked down onsite. Work hard. No time but to eat and sleep and learn.

Hey, I’m trying out here!

**expand this sort of thinking to ither industries. Even the fields for low level prisoners reduced sentences.

Conservatives/Republicans for years have wanted to make prisons for profit but we warn about doing that. For one, they compete with American workers. And the prison makes up reasons to keep you longer because they use you for $. Yada, yada.
But just like a lot of things we decided a long time ago not to do for many good reasons, Trump don't give a shit about that. He would say "we'd be stupid not to use prisoners who cost us $40,000 each a year." And he'd be right.

Americans don't make iphones so these prisoners wouldn't be competing with us for these jobs. Like making license plates.

Your way sounds wonderful. My way sounds like the Trump way. Quick and easy. You already have the land, buildings and manpower. We could even pay them $2 hr.

 

[leftwinger]

America has become an unreliable trade partner and Trump disrespect towards other countries has yielded animosity towards American tourism and products. With these on-again, off-again tariffs, our government has become unpredictable for our own corporations to plan their future strategy. We run risk of international corporations such as Apple threatening to head off to Ireland.

APPL ain’t going nowhere. If you saw corporate headquarters out in Cupertino you would understand.

They need to help the Trump administration improve America for the future. Not rape and pillage overseas or use American Deep State largess like rented mules, Not work with criminals to aid WOKE or censorship.

 

[healthmyths]

Maybe we got it from Howard Lutnick.

“Remember the army of millions and millions of human beings screwing in little screws to make iPhones?” commerce secretary Howard Lutnick said in early April. “That kind of thing is going to come to America.”


The last time a smartphone factory opened in the US, it closed within a year.

In 2013, Motorola announced it wanted to challenge the conventional wisdom that manufacturing in the US was too expensive. But 12 months later, the facility in Fort Worth, Texas, was shut down because of disappointing sales and high costs.

Oh we can do it here, for about $3,500 if fully assembled in the US.

The bigger issue is moving the sophisticated global supply chains built up over decades that sustain Apple’s operations in China.

China is fast, flexible and world class, so it’s about much more than low labour costs now.”

This is more realistic. We move production to India. Apple is planning to scale back in China but the main beneficiary will be India, where they have been developing an alternative supply chain for nearly a decade and now plan to assemble all US-sold iPhones.

A look inside the world’s most popular smartphone neatly illustrates how complex Apple’s supply chain has become — and why analysts have dismissed Trump’s vision as unrealistic.

You wrote..."China is fast, flexible and world class, so it’s about much more than low labour costs now.”
Off course it flexible as it as the FACTS state pay anything in the way patents, rights,etc..
"In recent years, China has increasingly used its courts and administrative panels to nullify patents held by foreign companies in industries it deems strategically important, such as technology, pharmaceuticals and rare-earth minerals."
In a 2021 European Union survey on global intellectual property protection, respondents expressed concerns about "a tendency of court rulings to favor Chinese stakeholders when strategic sectors or companies, particularly state-owned enterprises, are concerned."[2]
They also identified patent invalidation as a serious problem in China. The number of patent invalidation requests filed in the country has grown substantially, with the figure in 2018 being two and a half times greater than in 2008.

Tracking China's Push To Invalidate Foreign Patents

As foreign companies face growing challenges in protecting their patents in China, investment treaties may be essential for safeguarding their intellectual property rights.

www.selendygay.com

So why would the USA and other countries spend billions developing chips, etc. only to have China ignore
these ownership rights and then bill American companies that created chips, etc. for them by adding costs to the products?
Again for over 40 years the USA has been totally taken to the cleaners by countries that charged USA high tariffs on
products sold to them. Not paying the inventors of the devices, etc. as the above experts point out!!!

 

[sealybobo]

You wrote..."China is fast, flexible and world class, so it’s about much more than low labour costs now.”
Off course it flexible as it as the FACTS state pay anything in the way patents, rights,etc..
"In recent years, China has increasingly used its courts and administrative panels to nullify patents held by foreign companies in industries it deems strategically important, such as technology, pharmaceuticals and rare-earth minerals."
In a 2021 European Union survey on global intellectual property protection, respondents expressed concerns about "a tendency of court rulings to favor Chinese stakeholders when strategic sectors or companies, particularly state-owned enterprises, are concerned."[2]
They also identified patent invalidation as a serious problem in China. The number of patent invalidation requests filed in the country has grown substantially, with the figure in 2018 being two and a half times greater than in 2008.

Tracking China's Push To Invalidate Foreign Patents

As foreign companies face growing challenges in protecting their patents in China, investment treaties may be essential for safeguarding their intellectual property rights.

www.selendygay.com

So why would the USA and other countries spend billions developing chips, etc. only to have China ignore
these ownership rights and then bill American companies that created chips, etc. for them by adding costs to the products?
Again for over 40 years the USA has been totally taken to the cleaners by countries that charged USA high tariffs on
products sold to them. Not paying the inventors of the devices, etc. as the above experts point out!!!View attachment 1116025

So why would Trump go to war with all these countries you listed while also trying to take on China. A smart man would have friended all these countries not pissed them all off.

Do I see South Africa on the list? Do you think South Africa wants to do business with us after Trump ambushed the president in front of the entire world with fake news he pulled off the internet about genocide in South Africa?

I wish the South African president was prepared. For every story Trump had on South Africa blacks killing whites, there are probably 100 stories of blacks in America being killed by whites, and no one is calling it genocide.

US President Donald Trump confronted South African counterpart Cyril Ramaphosa on Wednesday over widely discredited claims that genocide is being committed against white people.

A week after the US rankled South Africa by granting asylum to nearly 60 Afrikaners, Ramaphosa visited the White House to reset the countries' relations.

Instead Trump put his counterpart on the defensive with claims that white farmers in his nation were being killed and "persecuted".

None of South Africa's political parties - including those that represent Afrikaners and the white community in general - have claimed that there is a genocide in South Africa.

But such claims have been circulating among right-wing groups for many years, and during his first term, Trump referred to the "large scale killing of farmers" in South Africa.

Some white farmers have been killed but a lot of misleading information has been circulated online.


We have an internet troll for a president.

 

[AntonToo]

Or eat the cost to keep Americans out of the market? GOVT collects. We pay less taxes. Winning.

So the brilliant idea is to distort the market with tariffs so Americans fund the government by paying import tax costs instead of their income tax. Right?

So we have someone making $20-30k a year, paying the same $250 Trump phone tax burden as millionares.

 

[sealybobo]

So the brilliant idea is to distort the market with tariffs so Americans fund the government by paying import tax costs instead of their income tax. Right?

So we have someone making $20k a year, paying the same $250 Trump phone tax burden as millionares.

Brilliant.

1. To give rich people tax breaks, they have to raise the money somewhere else. One way is to cut social programs and safety nets. Another way is to tax or "tariff" us all. But Republicans would never raise your taxes. But they will raise your tariffs.

2. To make it more attractive to buy American. But honestly, that's not usually even an option. The thing I buy is made in the UK. I just got a quote for $83,000 today. $1300, the last line item, was Tariff. So Uncle Sam is going to get an extra $1300. We pass it on to the person buying it from us. They will pass it on to their customers. Americans.

 

[AntonToo]

But Republicans would never raise your taxes. But they will raise your tariffs.

It's not even a Republican thing. No way they would go for this if Trump wasn't dragging them along.

 

[ColonelAngus]

I always go with whatever Antontoo has to say about a subject.

That poster has never been incorrect.

Dont believe me?

Look at their posting history.

That poster is always spitting truth barbs.