I Have A Legit Question To Leftists

[DudleySmith]

Excuse me?

He said he wishes Pelosi would tie him up and sit on his face while Bernie Sanders buggers him.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I did answer your question. All you do is parrot and act like I didn't just like you act like there's no evidence of a stolen election.

No, you didn't.

I doubt you even read what I wrote.

I said "The election was stolen."

You say "All you do is parrot and act like I didn't just like you act like there's no evidence of a stolen election."

Can you imagine what it's like to say something, and then have someone reply to you as if you said the COMPLETE OPPOSITE?

"Today is Tuesday"

"YOU'RE WRONG, TOTALLY WRONG, today is TUESDAY"

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

The very second the governor of my state and other states started trying to stack the deck for republicans under the excuse of a supposedly stolen election. Now red state democrats will never be sure if their vote was even counted. Not that you care.

The issue was never about votes being not counted. It’s the opposite. It’s about democrats manipulating millions of mail-in votes. Phantom votes.

 

[Road Runner]

No, you didn't.

I doubt you even read what I wrote.

I said "The election was stolen."

You say "All you do is parrot and act like I didn't just like you act like there's no evidence of a stolen election."

Can you imagine what it's like to say something, and then have someone reply to you as if you said the COMPLETE OPPOSITE?

"Today is Tuesday"

"YOU'RE WRONG, TOTALLY WRONG, today is TUESDAY"

Okay so sorry I admit that I confess you were right about a couple of points. The other stuff you said was dissing republicans though so that's what I was reacting to the most.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Okay so sorry I admit that I confess you were right about a couple of points. The other stuff you said was dissing republicans though so that's what I was reacting to the most.

So, what did I say that was wrong? Take what I said, post it, then reply to why that is wrong.

 

[Road Runner]

So, what did I say that was wrong? Take what I said, post it, then reply to why that is wrong.

In fair elections the people get the president they voted for. However, nobody saw the obvious red flags and the electors didn't say anything about it or anybody else.

 

[frigidweirdo]

In fair elections the people get the president they voted for. However, nobody saw the obvious red flags and the electors didn't say anything about it or anybody else.

No, in fair elections people get to vote for who they want.

Let me explain.

Negative voting.

Negative voting is when people don't vote FOR who they want to represent them, it's when they vote AGAINST someone (by voting for their opponent).

Germany shows this very clearly as a thing.

2021 German federal election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In Germany they vote twice. Once with FPTP (the US system) and once with PR. The make up of the Bundestag depends on both. PR decides the percentages of seats, and FPTP causes problems by forcing there to be more or less seats. 2017 was 709 seats, 2021 is 736 seats because parties got more FPTP seats than PR seats.

Anyway, not so important that. What is important is this.

The CDU/CSU (equivalent of the Republicans) got 28.5% of the votes with FPTP and they got 24.1% of the votes with PR.

This means 4.7%% of people who voted for the CDU in FPTP didn't want to vote for the CDU/CSU in PR. This means they voted NEGATIVELY in the FPTP part.

The SPD (equivalent of the Democrats) got 26.4% of the vote with FPTP and 25.7% of the vote with PR, which means 0.7% voted negatively in FPTP elections.

The smaller parties did better with PR than FPTP though. They LOSE votes in FPTP because a third party vote is "a wasted vote" (though isn't really in Germany, because PR decides the ultimate make up, but still, the smaller parties are much less likely to win seats with FPTP).

A comparison with UKIP (UK) and the AfD (Germany) shows that both managed to get 12.6% of the vote (2015 and 2017 respectively). UKIP (using FPTP) got one seats. The AfD (using PR) got 90 seats. Spot the difference.

So, FPTP isn't a fair election.

Let's go to the US presidential election to explain how this functions in the US.

California was the LARGEST Republican state in the 2020 election. More Californians voted for Trump than any other people from any other state. And yet Trump received ZERO EC votes.

Essentially 6 million Californians got denied a say in who their president was.

We could look at the list of states that don't have a say because their state is so far to one side or the other.

But then there are only two parties that actually stand a chance anyway. Libertarians end up voting Republican because Libertarians will never win anything.

Had all those Libertarian votes gone to Trump, he'd have won Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin, that's 37 EC votes, that'd have put Trump on 269 and Biden on 269. You see the difference here. The people did not decide this. The SYSTEM decided this.

Had people been free to vote for their preferred choice without fearing, without voting negatively, both Biden and Trump would have lost loads of votes.

When was the last time a non-Rep/Dem won a state. 1968 with George Wallace winning five states.

 

[JoeB131]

Why do you call us crybabies/whiners when all you do is attack us for believing,.. rather knowing this election was stolen when we're not even bothering you? It seems like to the point of obsession with trying to troll us to me. With the except few of @Coyote, @Slade3200, and maybe some other people on here.

Mostly because Democracy doesn't work if people don't accept the results... that's the thing.

The real problem is, you've tied your whole movement to the ego of one man.

Family Values conservatives defend grabbing pussies and paying off porn stars.
Libertarians defend throwing kids into concentration camps.
National Security conservatives defend undermining alliances that have served us well for decades and embracing despots like Putin and Kim.

And when you didn't get the vote result you wanted, you attack the very foundation of our government to start with.

 

[22lcidw]

Mostly because Democracy doesn't work if people don't accept the results... that's the thing.

The real problem is, you've tied your whole movement to the ego of one man.

Family Values conservatives defend grabbing pussies and paying off porn stars.
Libertarians defend throwing kids into concentration camps.
National Security conservatives defend undermining alliances that have served us well for decades and embracing despots like Putin and Kim.

And when you didn't get the vote result you wanted, you attack the very foundation of our government to start with.

As long as we keep talking "Democracy", results mean shit. The American Revolution was about Freedom. Even with the flaws of the day.

 

[Mac1958]

Try a real answer because that you are a projection happy idiot is not good enough.

There are no answers to lies, my little leg humper.

You guys have your reality. Fine with me. But it's not my job to enable.

 

[JoeB131]

As long as we keep talking "Democracy", results mean shit. The American Revolution was about Freedom. Even with the flaws of the day.

The American Revolution was about a bunch of slave rapists who didn't want to pay their fair share in taxes and were deathly afraid the crown would abolish slavery some day.

We really need to stop deifying these clowns... they made a lot of mistakes in their effort to save us from being Canadians.

 

[JoeB131]

There are no answers to lies, my little leg humper.

You guys have your reality. Fine with me. But it's not my job to enable.

Vichy Mac, never willing to hear an opposing view.

 

[frigidweirdo]

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No, in fair elections people get to vote for who they want.

Let me explain.

Negative voting.

Negative voting is when people don't vote FOR who they want to represent them, it's when they vote AGAINST someone (by voting for their opponent).

Germany shows this very clearly as a thing.

2021 German federal election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In Germany they vote twice. Once with FPTP (the US system) and once with PR. The make up of the Bundestag depends on both. PR decides the percentages of seats, and FPTP causes problems by forcing there to be more or less seats. 2017 was 709 seats, 2021 is 736 seats because parties got more FPTP seats than PR seats.

Anyway, not so important that. What is important is this.

The CDU/CSU (equivalent of the Republicans) got 28.5% of the votes with FPTP and they got 24.1% of the votes with PR.

This means 4.7%% of people who voted for the CDU in FPTP didn't want to vote for the CDU/CSU in PR. This means they voted NEGATIVELY in the FPTP part.

The SPD (equivalent of the Democrats) got 26.4% of the vote with FPTP and 25.7% of the vote with PR, which means 0.7% voted negatively in FPTP elections.

The smaller parties did better with PR than FPTP though. They LOSE votes in FPTP because a third party vote is "a wasted vote" (though isn't really in Germany, because PR decides the ultimate make up, but still, the smaller parties are much less likely to win seats with FPTP).

A comparison with UKIP (UK) and the AfD (Germany) shows that both managed to get 12.6% of the vote (2015 and 2017 respectively). UKIP (using FPTP) got one seats. The AfD (using PR) got 90 seats. Spot the difference.

So, FPTP isn't a fair election.

Let's go to the US presidential election to explain how this functions in the US.

California was the LARGEST Republican state in the 2020 election. More Californians voted for Trump than any other people from any other state. And yet Trump received ZERO EC votes.

Essentially 6 million Californians got denied a say in who their president was.

We could look at the list of states that don't have a say because their state is so far to one side or the other.

But then there are only two parties that actually stand a chance anyway. Libertarians end up voting Republican because Libertarians will never win anything.

Had all those Libertarian votes gone to Trump, he'd have won Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin, that's 37 EC votes, that'd have put Trump on 269 and Biden on 269. You see the difference here. The people did not decide this. The SYSTEM decided this.

Had people been free to vote for their preferred choice without fearing, without voting negatively, both Biden and Trump would have lost loads of votes.

When was the last time a non-Rep/Dem won a state. 1968 with George Wallace winning five states.

Seems you don't have anything to say, again.

 

[john doe 101]

Why do you call us crybabies/whiners when all you do is attack us for believing,.. rather knowing this election was stolen when we're not even bothering you? It seems like to the point of obsession with trying to troll us to me. With the except few of Coyote, Slade3200, and maybe some other people on here.

Nobody gives a fuck what you think, animal.

 

[Coyote]

Why do you call us crybabies/whiners when all you do is attack us for believing,.. rather knowing this election was stolen when we're not even bothering you? It seems like to the point of obsession with trying to troll us to me. With the except few of Coyote, Slade3200, and maybe some other people on here.

For one thing, because we listened to the right calling us cry babies for four years when we lost in 2016.

For another, just because Trump said it was stolen, doesn’t mean it was. His challenges failed at every level, even his own DoJ.

 

[Road Runner]

For one thing, because we listened to the right calling us cry babies for four years when we lost in 2016.

Yeah, well then it's a two way street. If you expect us to put up with your name calling, then we expect you to put up with nearly the whole entire WORLD hates Joe Biden and this brother preaches the TRUTH!

 

[Coyote]

Yeah, well then it's a two way street. If you expect us to put up with your name calling, then we expect you to put up with nearly the whole entire WORLD hates Joe Biden and this brother preaches the TRUTH!

Well…as I recall nearly the whole world hated Donald Trump (except the authoritarians)

 

[Road Runner]

Well…as I recall nearly the whole world hated Donald Trump (except the authoritarians)

Oh and btw,.. nothing is meant to be personal between us,.. but let me direct your attention to the screen.

 

[Road Runner]

 

[Road Runner]