I get the feeling that America will eventually go socialist

[DBA]

Ah to be so ignorant and naïve. Sweden has strict immigration laws, has 3% of the population of the US and is not as diverse. Ironically for Democrats, diversity is a detriment to a Socialist society.

Right, all expected talking points, but please explain how any of what you're saying would change the success here in America?

I guess you haven't figured out yet that people from other parts of the world have different ideas. Socialism requires group think. If you want diversity, then Socialism is not your answer and is quite untenable. Socialism also requires a love of country, another thing difficult to attain with high diversity rates. I might also add, Sweden is not Socialist and their people are very patriotic, another issue for your average Democrat.

 

[MarcATL]

I guess you haven't figured out yet that people from other parts of the world have different ideas. Socialism requires group think. If you want diversity, then Socialism is not your answer and is quite untenable.

So, if I understand you correctly, your argument is that it won't work SIMPLY due to the fact that SOME people w/i that system won't want to go w/it, aka won't want it to work, is that correct?

 

[DBA]

I guess you haven't figured out yet that people from other parts of the world have different ideas. Socialism requires group think. If you want diversity, then Socialism is not your answer and is quite untenable.

So, if I understand you correctly, your argument is that it won't work SIMPLY due to the fact that SOME people w/i that system won't want to go w/it, aka won't want it to work, is that correct?

For starters, Sweden isn't Socialist. Secondly, yes, Socialism requires group think. It is not a SIMPLE thing as you put it.

Educate yourself.

The problem using Sweden as an example of a socialist model that works? Sweden ain't socialist | American Enterprise Institute - AEI

 

[justinacolmena]

I might also add, Sweden is not Socialist and their people are very patriotic, another issue for your average Democrat.

So what is Sweden if it's "not" Socialist? They're all Socialist DEMOCRATs, as far as I know. The fact that Swedes are white, whether or not they are willing to socialize or other whites and/or with other races, has no bearing on the fact that Sweden is indeed, far and away, a Socialist country if there ever was one.

 

[MarcATL]

For starters, Sweden isn't Socialist. Secondly, yes, Socialism requires group think. It is not a SIMPLE thing as you put it.

Educate yourself.

The problem using Sweden as an example of a socialist model that works? Sweden ain't socialist | American Enterprise Institute - AEI

Since you people pit socialism against capitalism, does capitalism also require group think to work successfully?

BTW, this is a new argument, I think I'm seeing for the first time, normally you people just shout out VENEZUELA as some sort of retort to why socialism is evil. As if that made any sense.

You're argument is quite different from that, and doesn't communicate that socialism is intrinsically different, just that it won't work because of diversity.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[DBA]

I might also add, Sweden is not Socialist and their people are very patriotic, another issue for your average Democrat.

So what is Sweden if it's "not" Socialist? They're all Socialist DEMOCRATs, as far as I know. The fact that Swedes are white, whether or not they are willing to socialize or other whites and/or with other races, has no bearing on the fact that Sweden is indeed, far and away, a Socialist country if there ever was one.

Nope

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Are these ideas failing in democracies like Sweden OP?

You dont have the gotcha question you think you do.

 

[MarcATL]

For starters, Sweden isn't Socialist. Secondly, yes, Socialism requires group think. It is not a SIMPLE thing as you put it.

Educate yourself.

The problem using Sweden as an example of a socialist model that works? Sweden ain't socialist | American Enterprise Institute - AEI

Also too, you're quite adamant on correcting the record that Sweden isn't socialist. When it's clearly way, way, WAY more socialist than America is, and pretty much exactly like the left wants America to be.

But you ALL say we want socialisism.

Do you see the discrepancy here?

 

[DBA]

You're argument is quite different from that, and doesn't communicate that socialism is intrinsically different, just that it won't work because of diversity.

Like I said, Sweden is not Socialist, but yes, for Sweden's system to be successful, it requires a rather homogenous society, which it is.

 

[BlueGin]

Not in my lifetime, if I can help it. I am also teaching our grandchildren the value of the freedoms were founded on, and how to think critically and research, research, research, so hopefully, others are as well.

" Not in my lifetime, if I can help it. "

Nor in mine if i can help it either, but I see the forces of the media and academia and Hollywood against us and I'm thinking we're eventually going to lose the battle. Maybe sooner than we thought if Biden wins next month. If the Dems also win the Senate then we will soon see the beginning of the dismantling of American democracy, beginning with the end of the filibuster.

Maybe,maybe not. The fake COVID shutdowns are doing a number on Hollywood and Academia. We will see if they continue to have the influence they once did.

 

[task0778]

Okay, let's talk about Sweden, shall we? A little background:

The glory days for Sweden economically took place prior to the 1960s, when they had a free economy, low regulation and lots of wealth. Between 1870 and 1950, Sweden had the highest per capita income growth in the world and became one of the richest countries, behind only Switzerland, the U.S., and Denmark.

In the 1960s, Sweden started to redistribute wealth, which brought wealth creation to a halt. By the mid-1990s, the country had growing economic problems because it continued to redistribute wealth it wasn’t creating. It was at this juncture that many of the wealthy (ABBA band members included) and entrepreneurs were leaving Sweden. In 1994, Sweden began implementing the following measures designed to reverse this trend:

Reduce Regulation
Reduce Government Spending
Reform their Welfare Programs
Shrink their Government

Sweden has continued on this path for the last 24 years, which has brought them a modest rate of growth, but not nearly as robust as pre-60s levels due to government taxation remaining high.

Many view Sweden as socialist. However, the country is, in fact, very pro-capitalism, but does it with redistribution through taxes. Personal income is taxed at a rate of 61.85 percent, plus a 7 percent social security tax rate for employees. On top of these taxes, Sweden also has a 25 percent consumption tax. For these sacrifices of financial freedom, this is what Sweden offers their citizens in benefits:

Is Sweden Socialist? No, but...

The glory days for Sweden economically took place prior to the 1960s, when they had a free economy, low regulation and lots of wealth. Between 1870 and 1950, Sweden became one of the richest countries. But by the mid-1990s, the country had growing economic problems because it continued to...

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In the 1970s, Sweden took a hard Left turn towards socialism. They doubled its overall tax burden, socialized a slew of industries, over-regulated its markets, and expanded its welfare systems. And their economy nose-dived as a result. By the late 1980s, though, Sweden had started deregulating its markets once again, decreased its marginal tax rates, and opted for a sound money, low inflation policy. In the early 1990s, the pace quickened, and most markets except for labor and housing were liberalized. The state sold its shares in a number of companies, granted independence to its central bank, and introduced school vouchers that improved choice and competition in education. Stockholm slashed public pensions and introduced private retirement schemes, keeping the system demographically sustainable. These decisive economic liberalizations, and not socialism, are what laid the foundations for Sweden’s success over the last 25 years.

I think in many respects we are going to go through what Sweden did 50 years ago. It didn't work for them then and it's not going to work for us either. The only way a large welfare state can exist and be sustained is with a huge increase in revenue, meaning EVERYBODY has to pay, and it'll be a heckuva lot more than what we're used to.

 

[justinacolmena]

Like I said, Sweden is not Socialist, but yes, for Sweden's system to be successful, it requires a rather homogenous society, which it is.

Just like the German Nazis, the Italian Fascists, and the Japanese Imperialists of WWII.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Maybe not full blown socialist list Cuba or Venezuela, but rather a socialist democracy like Sweden for example. I say that cuz I believe our young people are being indoctrinated with the false dream of equality and justice for all that they've been told socialism will offer, only to discover too late that it doesn't. And too many Americans are totally dissatisfied with the gov't as it is now, that's why we voted Trump into office in the 1st place. Maybe he gets re-elected and maybe not, but the Far Left isn't going away until they finally get in charge and tryout their ideological ideas and policies, which of course will fail miserably. Hopefully at that point the idea will fall from grace and die as a political choice, but I doubt it'll go quietly or stay dead. I think so many people were disgusted by the debate on Tuesday and both candidates, so if the Dems run a more viable socialist candidate in 2024, then that person could have a good shot at winning.

Other countries have already tried it, Sweden did back in the 70s and 80s, and it almost wrecked their economy. They were smart enough to return to free market capitalism, although they did keep some socialist policies, but thy also agreed as a people for everybody to pay those high taxes, even the lowest earners. I hope we can realize that capitalism is a better choice, if we do go socialist for awhile. The problem is that if and when the socialists get into power here, they will make it very difficult to be removed. Ending the filibuster, packing the court, adding DC and Puerto Rico as new states, amnesty to millions of illegals who become democratic voters, and God knows what else will make it hard to turn back from whatever they've done. It may be that we'll have to endure another major depression similar to the 1930s; It took a war to get out of that one, hopefully history won't repeat that. This next time it will have to be the American people who will realize that a gov't run economy and society doesn't work. There's gonna have to be a major paradigm shift away from collectivism back to individualism, at least to some degree.

Sweden is not “socialist”. It has the NORDIC MODEL.
The Nordic model comprises the economic and social policies as well as typical cultural practices common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden). This includes a comprehensive welfare state and multi-level collective bargaining based on the economic foundations of free-market capitalism.

The Nordic people are among the happiest in the world, according to UN reports.

So is a lobster in a boiling pot

 

[DBA]

Like I said, Sweden is not Socialist, but yes, for Sweden's system to be successful, it requires a rather homogenous society, which it is.

Just like the German Nazis, the Italian Fascists, and the Japanese Imperialists of WWII.

You need to read up on Sweden. Their policies are quite different than the Democrats policies.

 

[Death-Ninja]

On November 4th America's Marxist extirpation begins in earnest! I know how to deal with Marxists, you kill them before they kill you, and they fully intend to kill you!

Former Twitter CEO Dick Costolo: Capitalists Will Be 'First People Lined Up Against The Wall and Shot in the Revolution'

Former Twitter CEO Dick Costolo recently tweeted that "me-first capitalists" who disagree with injecting political activism into their workplaces will be "the first people lined up against the wall and shot in the revolution." The company has not commented if the tweet by Costolo, who has an...

www.breitbart.com

 

[Brain357]

The Nordic economic model seems very successful. Probably better than our current crony/corporatism.

 

[Death-Ninja]

The Nordic economic model seems very successful. Probably better than our current crony/corporatism.

Does it, explain the Nordic economic model?

 

[Brain357]

The Nordic economic model seems very successful. Probably better than our current crony/corporatism.

Does it, explain the Nordic economic model?

This should give you an idea:

The Nordic Model
The Nordic model is a term coined to capture the unique combination of free market capitalism and social benefits that have given rise to a society that enjoys a host of top-quality services, including free education and free healthcare, as well as generous, guaranteed pension payments for retirees.1

The Nordic Model: Pros and Cons

The high living standards and low-income disparity of Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, and Iceland have captured the world’s attention.

www.investopedia.com

 

[justinacolmena]

You need to read up on Sweden. Their policies are quite different than the Democrats policies.

I have lived in Sweden and learned to speak, read, and write the language somewhat. Sweden's policies, if anything, are even more extreme left than anything so far evinced by Democratic Party of the United States.

The Nordic economic model seems very successful. Probably better than our current crony/corporatism.

Just such racialized banking is exactly originally opened the door to anti-Semitism, Holocaust and war in 20th century Europe.

Norwegian bank prints anti-Semitic portrait on credit card

Offensive card showed a tallit-clad, long-nosed figure in front of a background of gold coins; bank claims it was the result of service allowing clients to design their own cards.

www.ynetnews.com

That's more than enough of what I want to know about Nordic banking.

 

[Wyatt earp]

For starters, Sweden isn't Socialist. Secondly, yes, Socialism requires group think. It is not a SIMPLE thing as you put it.

Educate yourself.

The problem using Sweden as an example of a socialist model that works? Sweden ain't socialist | American Enterprise Institute - AEI

Also too, you're quite adamant on correcting the record that Sweden isn't socialist. When it's clearly way, way, WAY more socialist than America is, and pretty much exactly like the left wants America to be.

But you ALL say we want socialisism.

Do you see the discrepancy here?

The left wants everyone white and the same ethnic group?

Say what the fuck..