I dont give two craps about israel OR palestine

[TNHarley]

Dude, the Jews have been hated for thousands of years. Don't give me that bullshit
And I am well aware the Palestinians are violent and shit. So us the Israeli govt.

The Jews first appear in secular archaeology in 323 BCE in the history of Alexander The Great, as inscribed by Ptolemy one of his 4 greatest generals. Prior to this all we have is Jewish religious history in the Tenakh (Hebrew Old Testament). The Tenakh is consistent with other external archaeology as far back as the Hittites in 1300 BCE however. So whoever was transcribing the Tenakh during mid Roman Empire times was aware of the Hittites several thousand years before modern archaeologists rediscovered them again in the 1940's.

That the Jews were hated is not an accurate portrayal.

That they would not bow to Greek or Roman statues of gods was cause for unrest.

That they rebelled from Roman rule was cause for the sacking of Jerusalem.

That they persecuted and tried to exterminate early Christians with the cooperation of the Roman Emperors is why they were whipsawed after Constantine issued his edict of tolerance in 325 A.D.

The Catholic Church hated them for a while but eventually became tolerant.

Adolf took anti Semitism to a new level and managed to erase Judaism from most of Germany in about 5 years. In France, Italy, and the Balkans the Jews persisted however.

It is Adolf who is most responsible, together with Stalin, for the migrations of massive numbers of Jews to Palestine in the late 1940's.

So Adolf and Stalin unwittingly helped create the new State Of Israel.

And the Palestinians have hated them ever since.

I also suggest you update your archeological knowledge.
There is definite proof of the existence of King David, and also King Solomon for those who wish to bother looking into it:

The Tel Dan Inscription: The First Historical Evidence of King David from the Bible - Biblical Archaeology Society

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Until very recently, there was no evidence outside the Bible for the existence of King David. There are no references to him in Egyptian, Syrian or Assyrian documents of the time, and the many archaeological digs in the City of David failed to turn up so much as a mention of his name. Then, on July 21, 1993, a team of archaeologists led by Prof. Avraham Biran, excavating Tel Dan in the northern Galilee, found a triangular piece of basalt rock, measuring 23 x 36 cm. inscribed in Aramaic. It was subsequently identified as part of a victory pillar erected by the king of Syria and later smashed by an Israelite ruler. The inscription, which dates to the ninth century BCE, that is to say, about a century after David was thought to have ruled Israel, includes the words Beit David ("House" or "Dynasty" of David"). It is the first near-contemporaneous reference to David ever found. It is not conclusive; but it does strongly indicate that a king called David established a dynasty in Israel during the relevant period.

Another piece of significant evidence comes from Dr. Avi Ofer's archaeological survey conducted in the hills of Judea during the last decade, which shows that in the 11th-10th centuries BCE, the population of Judah almost doubled compared to the preceding period. The so-called Rank Size Index (RSI), a method of analyzing the size and positioning of settlements to evaluate to what extent they were a self-contained group, indicates that during this period - David's supposed period - a strong centre of population existed at the edge of the region. Jerusalem is the most likely candidate for this centre.

To sum up the evidence then: in the tenth century BCE, a dynasty was established by David; the population doubled in the hill country of Judah, which acquired a strong central point, probably Jerusalem, a previously settled site that was important enough to be mentioned in Egyptian documents. These facts are certainly consistent with the biblical account; but, before examining the biblical version, we should consider the nature of the Bible and of the historical material it contains.

Myth and Reality of King David's Jerusalem

That can't even be agreed upon in the scientific community. You will need something else besides the tel Dan

Jews do not need anything to "prove" to others that they have their history.
Other people do not, neither does the Jewish Nation.

Proof abounds on the Land of Israel, being dug up every day.

That leaves haters like you............simply hating Jews even more.

What do Jews care about haters like you?

Not at all.

I'm not a hater. That's stupid.
I'm just more of a reality, skeptic type of guy. I don't buy the bible as fact. I don't buy unfounded accusations either. I am quite Aware of how quick humans are to manipulate to satisfy an agenda. Especially of that magnitude.

 

[yiostheoy]

I'm not a hater. That's stupid.
I'm just more of a reality, skeptic type of guy. I don't buy the bible as fact. I don't buy unfounded accusations either. I am quite Aware of how quick humans are to manipulate to satisfy an agenda. Especially of that magnitude.

Has nothing to do with the Bible.

Count up how many people have been killed by Palestinians.

Compare that to noncombatants who have been killed by Israelis.

That should tell you something.

Not even your safe American azz is safe around Palestinians.

 

[yiostheoy]

...That leaves haters like you............simply hating Jews even more....

Do ever question WHY so many people hate Jews?

...What do Jews care about haters like you?...

Well, for one, there was this guy named Hitler about 70 years ago... oh never mind...

Speaking of which, Hitler would have had you murdered.

You have a huge antecedent problem with multiple antecedents that nobody can tell what you are trying to say.

 

[yiostheoy]

You can blame The New Testament for the Christian attitude towards Jews settling in Israel.
They are in heat for The Rapture.

Not really.

Like I said, it began around the 4th Century A.D.

 

[yiostheoy]

...That leaves haters like you............simply hating Jews even more....

Do ever question WHY so many people hate Jews?

...What do Jews care about haters like you?...

Well, for one, there was this guy named Hitler about 70 years ago... oh never mind...

And I'm certain Hitler's soul is having a grand ole time at the moment.

I have a suspicion that Adolf and Lucifer (his Latin name given to him by St. Gerome) are having a pretty good time together. They actually have a lot in common.

Lucifer won that battle between them though -- Lucifer got Adolf to kill himself. That's Lucifer's ultimate objective -- self destruction by the masses.

 

[yiostheoy]

...So Adolf and Stalin unwittingly helped create the new State Of Israel.....

Nothing at all Adolph did was "unwittingly." He was working directly with the zionists.

View attachment 127164

51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis: Lenni Brenner: 9781569804339: Amazon.com: Books

This is why we see so much overlapping behavior with the Germany's nazis and Israel's zionists.

Do you have an executive summary of this?

Say in 2 or 3 sentences ??

Or you can go up to 5 if you want.

 

[montelatici]

I'm not a hater. That's stupid.
I'm just more of a reality, skeptic type of guy. I don't buy the bible as fact. I don't buy unfounded accusations either. I am quite Aware of how quick humans are to manipulate to satisfy an agenda. Especially of that magnitude.

Has nothing to do with the Bible.

Count up how many people have been killed by Palestinians.

Compare that to noncombatants who have been killed by Israelis.

That should tell you something.

Not even your safe American azz is safe around Palestinians.

Well, Israeli Jews have killed several thousand Muslim and Christian non-combatants. The Palestinians have killed a less than 500 Israeli Jew noncombatants. No Muslim or Christian is safe from the Israelis Jews.

 

[yiostheoy]

Dude, the Jews have been hated for thousands of years. Don't give me that bullshit
And I am well aware the Palestinians are violent and shit. So us the Israeli govt.

The Jews first appear in secular archaeology in 323 BCE in the history of Alexander The Great, as inscribed by Ptolemy one of his 4 greatest generals. Prior to this all we have is Jewish religious history in the Tenakh (Hebrew Old Testament). The Tenakh is consistent with other external archaeology as far back as the Hittites in 1300 BCE however. So whoever was transcribing the Tenakh during mid Roman Empire times was aware of the Hittites several thousand years before modern archaeologists rediscovered them again in the 1940's.

That the Jews were hated is not an accurate portrayal.

That they would not bow to Greek or Roman statues of gods was cause for unrest.

That they rebelled from Roman rule was cause for the sacking of Jerusalem.

That they persecuted and tried to exterminate early Christians with the cooperation of the Roman Emperors is why they were whipsawed after Constantine issued his edict of tolerance in 325 A.D.

The Catholic Church hated them for a while but eventually became tolerant.

Adolf took anti Semitism to a new level and managed to erase Judaism from most of Germany in about 5 years. In France, Italy, and the Balkans the Jews persisted however.

It is Adolf who is most responsible, together with Stalin, for the migrations of massive numbers of Jews to Palestine in the late 1940's.

So Adolf and Stalin unwittingly helped create the new State Of Israel.

And the Palestinians have hated them ever since.

I also suggest you update your archeological knowledge.
There is definite proof of the existence of King David, and also King Solomon for those who wish to bother looking into it:

The Tel Dan Inscription: The First Historical Evidence of King David from the Bible - Biblical Archaeology Society

-----------
Until very recently, there was no evidence outside the Bible for the existence of King David. There are no references to him in Egyptian, Syrian or Assyrian documents of the time, and the many archaeological digs in the City of David failed to turn up so much as a mention of his name. Then, on July 21, 1993, a team of archaeologists led by Prof. Avraham Biran, excavating Tel Dan in the northern Galilee, found a triangular piece of basalt rock, measuring 23 x 36 cm. inscribed in Aramaic. It was subsequently identified as part of a victory pillar erected by the king of Syria and later smashed by an Israelite ruler. The inscription, which dates to the ninth century BCE, that is to say, about a century after David was thought to have ruled Israel, includes the words Beit David ("House" or "Dynasty" of David"). It is the first near-contemporaneous reference to David ever found. It is not conclusive; but it does strongly indicate that a king called David established a dynasty in Israel during the relevant period.

Another piece of significant evidence comes from Dr. Avi Ofer's archaeological survey conducted in the hills of Judea during the last decade, which shows that in the 11th-10th centuries BCE, the population of Judah almost doubled compared to the preceding period. The so-called Rank Size Index (RSI), a method of analyzing the size and positioning of settlements to evaluate to what extent they were a self-contained group, indicates that during this period - David's supposed period - a strong centre of population existed at the edge of the region. Jerusalem is the most likely candidate for this centre.

To sum up the evidence then: in the tenth century BCE, a dynasty was established by David; the population doubled in the hill country of Judah, which acquired a strong central point, probably Jerusalem, a previously settled site that was important enough to be mentioned in Egyptian documents. These facts are certainly consistent with the biblical account; but, before examining the biblical version, we should consider the nature of the Bible and of the historical material it contains.

Myth and Reality of King David's Jerusalem

It would take more than an obscure scraping on a small piece of stone to be authoritative.

So far the Alexandrian Greeks are our only verifiable source about the Jews (and other Hebrews) other than the Tenakh.

But I do get that the Israelis are scraping around in the desert trying to find something there.

I suspect the excavation of the Old City of Jerusalem site will provide much, once it is finally begun.

Problem is neither the Jews nor the Arabs there want this to start.

The ruins up on top of the mount are too "precious" for either side.

I would like to see several cuts done at the top of the temple mount, all the way down to bedrock, to tell us what is lying beneath.

Same as Schliemann did at Hisarlick / Troy.

The ancient Egyptians never wrote about their Jewish slaves because these slaves were not significant enough for them to write about. Then after they escaped following Moses (Moshe) there was no reason to write about them either.

While I appreciate the story, from the Exodus forward, the only building that the Israelites and Jews among them did was at Jerusalem that we know of. Up until then they lived in tents.

 

[Indeependent]

...That leaves haters like you............simply hating Jews even more....

Do ever question WHY so many people hate Jews?

...What do Jews care about haters like you?...

Well, for one, there was this guy named Hitler about 70 years ago... oh never mind...

Speaking of which, Hitler would have had you murdered.

You have a huge antecedent problem with multiple antecedents that nobody can tell what you are trying to say.

I apologize; Loser claims to be a Jew.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Why is it such a big deal anyways? Is it because of the doom and gloom from religious prophecies? Lol...
How much can people care about two groups of people that resort to terrorism and destruction constantly?

Well the Israelis having discovered world wide bigotry against them would just like to live in their own ancestral lands in peace.

And the Palestinians who have a claim to the lower coastal regions since the time of the ancient Greeks even before the Israelis' ancestors moved there want all of the land too.

So while an Israeli would never blow you up with a bomb a Palestinian surely would if given half a chance.

That's why it affects you.

Moron.

Who exactly are you confusing the Palestinian Arabs with ?

<<
And the Palestinians who have a claim to the lower coastal regions since the time of the ancient Greeks even before the Israelis' ancestors moved there want all of the land too.>>

 

[Sixties Fan]

Dude, the Jews have been hated for thousands of years. Don't give me that bullshit
And I am well aware the Palestinians are violent and shit. So us the Israeli govt.

The Jews first appear in secular archaeology in 323 BCE in the history of Alexander The Great, as inscribed by Ptolemy one of his 4 greatest generals. Prior to this all we have is Jewish religious history in the Tenakh (Hebrew Old Testament). The Tenakh is consistent with other external archaeology as far back as the Hittites in 1300 BCE however. So whoever was transcribing the Tenakh during mid Roman Empire times was aware of the Hittites several thousand years before modern archaeologists rediscovered them again in the 1940's.

That the Jews were hated is not an accurate portrayal.

That they would not bow to Greek or Roman statues of gods was cause for unrest.

That they rebelled from Roman rule was cause for the sacking of Jerusalem.

That they persecuted and tried to exterminate early Christians with the cooperation of the Roman Emperors is why they were whipsawed after Constantine issued his edict of tolerance in 325 A.D.

The Catholic Church hated them for a while but eventually became tolerant.

Adolf took anti Semitism to a new level and managed to erase Judaism from most of Germany in about 5 years. In France, Italy, and the Balkans the Jews persisted however.

It is Adolf who is most responsible, together with Stalin, for the migrations of massive numbers of Jews to Palestine in the late 1940's.

So Adolf and Stalin unwittingly helped create the new State Of Israel.

And the Palestinians have hated them ever since.

Some of your history is really off.
I missed this bit:

<<That they persecuted and tried to exterminate early Christians with the cooperation of the Roman Emperors is why they were whipsawed after Constantine issued his edict of tolerance in 325 A.D.>>

Do tell us where you have been getting your information about the Jewish People, and especially why Christianity has persecuted the Jews after the fall of the Roman Empire basically non stop.

 

[montelatici]

The Jews, with the help of the Romans, tried to exterminate the early Christians because they threatened Judaism. Once Christianity became the state religion of Rome, Christians, in an unchristian manner, sought revenge. Later, it was just that Jews were a pain in the ass.

 

[Roudy]

It really isn't. It's the Democrats and the Leftie media that strive to make it a bigger deal than it deserves to be. In reality Israel is just another country on the front lines of fighting Islamic terrorism and barbarism, and doing it well.

and not only that, but their support for these made-up "Palestinians" has become so unquestioned that they have proven to all Muslims that terrorism is a successful strategy.

Reward bad behavior and guess what, folks -- you get bad behavior.

One might say in today's lingo, that the Palestinians are a fake national movement who's terrorism and violence is being justified by the Left. On the other hand they won't support a legitimate national movement, such as the Kurds, because it doesn't fit into their ideology.

Yep. There are threads in the Israel section that support murder.

What is amazing is how these antisemites will bluster in the same breath that they aren't anti-Semitic. What I find sickening those here who single out Jews as the one people who should not be allowed to express self-determination in their homeland or even have the right to defend themselves against terrorists have the utter temerity to call themselves LIBERAL. Sure, there are a few old-fashioned Nazis here, but the vast majority of antisemites here are leftists. They have gobbled up that Arab propaganda so thoroughly, they might as well be Arab.

Most of them are Arabs or Muslims or with connections to. They come here and pretend not to be.

 

[Roudy]

The Jews, with the help of the Romans, tried to exterminate the early Christians because they threatened Judaism. Once Christianity became the state religion of Rome, Christians, in an unchristian manner, sought revenge. Later, it was just that Jews were a pain in the ass.

More antisemtic canards from the mentally ill antisemite. I have never seen anybody so obsessed with demonizng those evil Jooooos. You can shove your fake crocodile tears up your kazoo, more Christians have been killed and are currently being killed at the hands of Muslims.

 

[Roudy]

I just thought they were fighting because the Palestinians got their country renamed Israel and a bunch of Jewish refugees from Europe moved there. Palestinians weren't pleased. Jewish people weren't leaving. Things proceeded from there.

I suggest you read real history and not the history the Arabs have been pushing since they first attacked the indigenous people of the land in 1920 because the guy who wanted to become leader of the Arab World post WWI decided all Jews needed to die.

-Palestine was NEVER a country.
-The name Palestine for the area came from the Romans who wanted to make all Jews forget their ancient land. That was in 135 CE
-Arabs only came in droves in the 7th century after Mohammad died in the 7th century CE, over five centuries AFTER the Romans renamed Judea and Samaria as what became translated as "Palestine"
- Palestinians are ARABS (Put two and two together)

Jews have always returned to their ancient homeland for the past 2000 years. It was not "A Bunch of Jewish Refugees" who started immigrating to Palestine, but indigenous Jews who saw no other place for them to move to but their ancient homeland. THAT had been going on, especially, since the early 1800s where more and more Jews saw that Europe was going to continue to be intolerant of Jews and decided to return to their ancient homeland.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON for Jews to "leave" their ancient homeland, which has always belonged to them, no matter how many invaders found their way to it, and conquered it.

According to you and other ignoramuses like you, Jews are "Europeans" ?
Really?
Japanese people who live in Europe for centuries are "Europeans"?
Hawaiian people who have lived in Europe for centuries are "Europeans"?


Things proceed from sheer ignorance, which causes fear, which causes hatred.

So, the Christians and Muslims who consider themselves as replacement to Judaism have more rights to the land of Israel than the indigenous Jewish Nation?

Wait......you don't get it......

And possibly never will.


But there is always hope. Yeap, there is always hope that the bulb will light up some day.

The problem here is this:

Arab strategists have created an entire simplified version of history calculated quite cynically to appeal to the ignorant portion of the world left. First, they created a brand new people that had not existed and then retrofitted their existence back in time. This was undertaken to reverse the reality that it wasn't Arabs with all their considerable land and resources against Jews who had just this tiny sliver of marginal land, but of mighty Israelis against the poor, little Palestinians. It relied upon an emotional appear targeting the stupid.

After creating this new group, they then set about to mimic the language of other struggles. if you study the prattle of their illiberal western useful idiots, it is replete with references to "colonialism" (which only an utter moron would think the case, "apartheid" (despite the fact Arabs living in Israel have more rights than they do anywhere in Arab lands) and "Indigenous peoples" (despite the fact there are Jewish archeological remains dating back 3500 years and these brand, new "Palestinians" have existed for less than a century).

Today's authoritarian leftists, short on knowledge but eminently trainable, simply repeat all the cliché's they have been manipulated to repeat and do not look any further than that.

You want to get on my ass about semantics and your dumbass just said "arab strategists created Palestinians? Are they ******* grown in a lab?
LOL wtf

I realize you are too ignorant to know any better, but yes -- the term "Palestinain" used to describe local Arabs is a fabrication of the 20th century.


Before being encouraged to call themselves such, they were merely Arabs.

Oh BTW didn't Herodotus talk about Palestine? Obviously it was spelt different..

He was talking about the Philistines. A sea faring Greek people, who are extinct and have no relation whatsoever with today's Arabs with the invented name of Palestinians.

 

[Roudy]

I suggest you read real history and not the history the Arabs have been pushing since they first attacked the indigenous people of the land in 1920 because the guy who wanted to become leader of the Arab World post WWI decided all Jews needed to die.

-Palestine was NEVER a country.
-The name Palestine for the area came from the Romans who wanted to make all Jews forget their ancient land. That was in 135 CE
-Arabs only came in droves in the 7th century after Mohammad died in the 7th century CE, over five centuries AFTER the Romans renamed Judea and Samaria as what became translated as "Palestine"
- Palestinians are ARABS (Put two and two together)

Jews have always returned to their ancient homeland for the past 2000 years. It was not "A Bunch of Jewish Refugees" who started immigrating to Palestine, but indigenous Jews who saw no other place for them to move to but their ancient homeland. THAT had been going on, especially, since the early 1800s where more and more Jews saw that Europe was going to continue to be intolerant of Jews and decided to return to their ancient homeland.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON for Jews to "leave" their ancient homeland, which has always belonged to them, no matter how many invaders found their way to it, and conquered it.

According to you and other ignoramuses like you, Jews are "Europeans" ?
Really?
Japanese people who live in Europe for centuries are "Europeans"?
Hawaiian people who have lived in Europe for centuries are "Europeans"?


Things proceed from sheer ignorance, which causes fear, which causes hatred.

So, the Christians and Muslims who consider themselves as replacement to Judaism have more rights to the land of Israel than the indigenous Jewish Nation?

Wait......you don't get it......

And possibly never will.


But there is always hope. Yeap, there is always hope that the bulb will light up some day.

The problem here is this:

Arab strategists have created an entire simplified version of history calculated quite cynically to appeal to the ignorant portion of the world left. First, they created a brand new people that had not existed and then retrofitted their existence back in time. This was undertaken to reverse the reality that it wasn't Arabs with all their considerable land and resources against Jews who had just this tiny sliver of marginal land, but of mighty Israelis against the poor, little Palestinians. It relied upon an emotional appear targeting the stupid.

After creating this new group, they then set about to mimic the language of other struggles. if you study the prattle of their illiberal western useful idiots, it is replete with references to "colonialism" (which only an utter moron would think the case, "apartheid" (despite the fact Arabs living in Israel have more rights than they do anywhere in Arab lands) and "Indigenous peoples" (despite the fact there are Jewish archeological remains dating back 3500 years and these brand, new "Palestinians" have existed for less than a century).

Today's authoritarian leftists, short on knowledge but eminently trainable, simply repeat all the cliché's they have been manipulated to repeat and do not look any further than that.

You want to get on my ass about semantics and your dumbass just said "arab strategists created Palestinians? Are they ******* grown in a lab?
LOL wtf

I realize you are too ignorant to know any better, but yes -- the term "Palestinain" used to describe local Arabs is a fabrication of the 20th century.


Before being encouraged to call themselves such, they were merely Arabs.

Izzat so.

>> The first clear use of the term Palestine to refer to the entire area between Phoenicia and Egypt was in 5th century BC Ancient Greece,[7][8] when Herodotus wrote of a "district of Syria, called Palaistinê" in The Histories, which included the Judean mountains and the Jordan Rift Valley.[9][10][11][12][13][14] In the treatise Meteorology c.340 BC, Aristotle wrote, "there is a lake in Palestine".[15][16][17][18] This is understood by scholars to be a reference to the Dead Sea.[19] Later Greek writers such as Polemon and Pausanias also used the word, which was followed by Roman writers such as Ovid, Tibullus, Pomponius Mela, Pliny the Elder, Dio Chrysostom, Statius, Plutarch as well as Roman Judean writers Philo of Alexandria and Josephus.[20] Other writers, such as Strabo, referred to the region as Coele-Syria[a] ("all Syria") around 10-20 CE.[21][22]

In 135 CE, the Greek "Syria Palaestina" was used in naming a new Roman province from the merger of Roman Syria and Roman Judaea after the Roman authorities crushed the Bar Kokhba Revolt.

.... The term "Peleset" (transliterated from hieroglyphs as P-r-s-t) is found in five inscriptions referring to a neighboring people or land starting from c.1150 BC during the Twentieth Dynasty of Egypt. The first known mention is at the temple at Medinet Habu which refers to the Peleset among those who fought with Egypt in Ramesses III's reign,<< (Wiki)

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Now I'm not a mathematician but I do understand linear time, and that looks to be at least 2500 years.

And then there's this:

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A tune popularly known as "Lena from Palesteena". This record came out in 1920.

Change geography and history all you like.

Until the Arabs adopted the term Palestinian to define their nationalism, Palestine was always used to refer to a Region. Not a Nation, or a People.
There is no history anywhere and by any people which refers to a People or a Nation calling themselves "Palestinians" from "Palestine". Much less any Arabs.

The Mandate for Palestine referred to the region of ancient Jewish homeland because the British did not want to call it Israel. That would have been too easy and would have meant that the British government approved of the Jews regaining sovereignty over any part of their ancient homeland.
And the British never meant for the Jews to actually achieve statehood.
(Why, oh why did they end up on the Hashemite (Jordan) side attacking the Jews after they declared Independence in May of 1948? )

The Arabs after WWI wanted to be part of Greater Syria. They did not envision any Palestine State, but all of the Mandate for Palestine as part of the Arab Nation (or Muslim Nation) which is what they have always identified as, living in Egypt, Syria, Lybia, or anywhere else.

Where does the Nationality of "Palestinians" come from?

Ask the KGB.

If there were always a people who called themselves Palestinians, then why are they not identified as such before the Mandate for Palestine where both Arabs and Jews were called Palestinians and given a Palestinian passport if desired?

The Deception of Palestinian Nationalism – Stanford Review

Historically, the Palestinian “desire for statehood” and “need for liberation” was invented in large part by the Soviet Union. It is no coincidence that the blueprint for the PLO Charter was drafted in Moscow in 1964 and was approved by 422 Palestinian representative hand selected by the KGB. At that time, the USSR was in the business of creating people’s liberation fronts. The KGB founded the PLO as well as the National Liberation Army of Bolivia (1964) with Ernesto “Che” Guevara at its head and the National Liberation Army of Colombia (1965).

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So the question to your comment is:

So what if there is a 1920 record with uses the word Palestine?

Look, or rather listen to the record:



It does not sound as if it is about any Palestinian Arabs, does it?
Hint, the band is Jewish, and the Region/Area, was being called Palestine for the sake of the Mandate for recreation of the Jewish Ancient homeland.
Before....the British government decided to take out 77% of that mandate for the Jews and give it to the Hashemite Arabs to create what became Jordan.

Oh, by the way, ALL JEWS living in Transjordan were systematically murdered out of their properties or run out of there by 1925, and never allowed to return.

God Bless Stanford!

 

[Roudy]

I just thought they were fighting because the Palestinians got their country renamed Israel and a bunch of Jewish refugees from Europe moved there. Palestinians weren't pleased. Jewish people weren't leaving. Things proceeded from there.

Yea, but that's just the top layer.
I think it stems more to Temple Mount. Jews cant fulfill their apocalyptic wet dreams without destroying the muslims holy sites. Just my opinion, of course.

Drop a MOAB on the Temple Mount. Problem solved.

Mecca would be better.

 

[Roudy]

For those who did not care to read one of the links I posted:

The Deception of Palestinian Nationalism – Stanford Review

To understand the PLO’s conception of a Palestinian state, it is instructive to examine Article 24 of the original PLO Charter. It reads: “this Organization [the PLO] does not exercise any regional sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, in the Gaza Strip or the Himmah area.” If not the West Bank and Gaza, then what exactly what did, the PLO claim? The Palestine that the PLO wanted was in fact the State of Israel.

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The Arabs were not demanding a return of Judea, Samaria (West Bank as named by the Hashemites in 1950)into "Palestinian" hands before 1967.

And today pro Palestinians cannot figure out why.

I don't know if it so much that they haven't bothered to read it so much as that hey are too stupid to understand it.

There is a famous letter to America by King Abdullah of Jorden written close to the time Israel achieved statehood. It is called "How the Arabs see the Jews", and contains the usual laundry list of grievances that supremacist Arabs level at anybody who isn't Arab. What it DOESN'T contain, however, is any reference to a Palestinian people, because, of course, no such identity existed at that time.

There is a famous letter from 1922 that blows your bullshit propaganda to smithereens:

PALESTINE.

CORRESPONDENCE
WITH THE
PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION
AND THE
ZIONIST ORGANISATION.

Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty.
JUNE, 1922.
LONDON:




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following address:
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Price 1s. od.net.
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".........Whilst the position in Palestine is, as it stands to-day, with the British Government holding authority by an occupying force, and using that authority to impose upon the people against their wishes a great immigration of alien Jews, many of them of a Bolshevik revolutionary type, no constitution which would fall short of giving the People of Palestine full control of their own affairs could be acceptable.

If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration..."

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization/British policy in Palestine: "Churchill White Paper" - UK documentation Cmd. 1700/Non-UN document (excerpts) (1 July 1922)

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Here we go with the garbaggio again. The same document says Palestinian nationalism is a new thing, as in invented. But that isn't what you quote, because you like to mutilate and bastardize documents to fit nicely into your Jew-hate box.

 

[Roudy]

...So Adolf and Stalin unwittingly helped create the new State Of Israel.....

Nothing at all Adolph did was "unwittingly." He was working directly with the zionists.

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51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis: Lenni Brenner: 9781569804339: Amazon.com: Books

This is why we see so much overlapping behavior with the Germany's nazis and Israel's zionists.

Did you forget about your beloved Nazi Mufti again, Achmed?

Hitler's Mufti | Catholic Answers

Recent work by historians and apologists has revealed that an influential, international religious leader was also an ardent supporter of Adolf Hitler. His name was not Pope Pius XII but Hajj Amin al-Husseini. This Grand Mufti of Jerusalem recruited whole divisions of fanatics to fight and kill in the name of extremism.

Revered in some circles today as one of the fathers of modern radical Islam, al-Husseini has been the subject of a number of modern studies. Scholars such as David Dalin, John Rothmann, Chuck Morse, and others have courageously brought al-Husseini’s actions to light. "Hitler’s Mufti," as many have called him, had a direct hand in some of the darkest moments of the Holocaust, the slaughter of tens of thousands of Christians, and the formation of some of the most hate-filled generations of modern history. Al-Husseini is a testament to the way that evil finds evil.

 

[Roudy]

I'm not a hater. That's stupid.
I'm just more of a reality, skeptic type of guy. I don't buy the bible as fact. I don't buy unfounded accusations either. I am quite Aware of how quick humans are to manipulate to satisfy an agenda. Especially of that magnitude.

Has nothing to do with the Bible.

Count up how many people have been killed by Palestinians.

Compare that to noncombatants who have been killed by Israelis.

That should tell you something.

Not even your safe American azz is safe around Palestinians.

Well, Israeli Jews have killed several thousand Muslim and Christian non-combatants. The Palestinians have killed a less than 500 Israeli Jew noncombatants. No Muslim or Christian is safe from the Israelis Jews.

Proof that we"re dealing with a mentally ill asshole:

"No Muslim or Christian is safe from Israeli Jews".

Wow.