I dont give two craps about israel OR palestine

[TNHarley]

Jews do not need anything to "prove" to others that they have their history.
Other people do not, neither does the Jewish Nation.

Proof abounds on the Land of Israel, being dug up every day.

That leaves haters like you............simply hating Jews even more.

What do Jews care about haters like you?

Not at all.

I'm not a hater. That's stupid.
I'm just more of a reality, skeptic type of guy. I don't buy the bible as fact. I don't buy unfounded accusations either. I am quite Aware of how quick humans are to manipulate to satisfy an agenda. Especially of that magnitude.

Let me second this so it comes from a third party. Harley and I prolly don't agree much on issues, but he is honest, and brings a healthy skepticism. I've never known him to be a hater, and Six's taking a point out for a walk in the woods is the same thing he was trying to do with mine. Of the two, Harley's way more honest.

So there.

The Inquisition were not haters
The Nazis were not haters
Arafat and Abbas are not haters

They only had and have a point of view, as both of you do.

And THAT point of view, is the problem.

Points of views are not facts.
And wrong points of view have always brought bad repercussions to those on the other side of the coin.

Something to think about.

Once AGAIN ---- see the pattern here ---- I have brought up absolutely NOTHING about Inquisitions, Nazis, Arafat, Abbas or any other players from history. I'm simply observing that the OP exhibits honesty in his arguments, whereas YOU do not. And your constant infusion of tangential shit that was never in the post you quote is a glaring example of it.

you think what the o/p exhibits is honesty?

that's funny

What did I lie about Jillian?
You always poke fun at me but never back up your bullshit. Try it?

 

[Pogo]

Soooo you're admitting that "anti-Semitic" means what it says, and not "anti-Jew", but advising we should go on misuing it ---- even after we know better?

"When the known facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir"?

Again, the origin of this question was he observation by the OP:

--- with which sentiment I agree ............ because we know what "Semitic" actually means, therefore we appreciate the irony. It ain't rocket surgery.

semitic and antisemitic have two different definitions, why do you guys lie so much?

Definition of ANTI-SEMITIC

Definition of anti–Semitic

1. : relating to or characterized by anti-Semitism : feeling or showing hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a cultural, racial, or ethnic group anti-Semitic statements/rhetoric … his critics charge he is anti-Semitic and anti-black, allegations that he denies. — James M. Perry

See if you can work it out --- what does the prefix "anti" mean?

Now what does the word "Semitic" mean?

See above post. If not obvious, lather, rinse repeat.

The definition is pretty clear. I don't see what the argument is. You want to create a new definition, take it up with Webster. LOL

No need to. Webster's writ by humans; it can be wrong too.
The definition of anti is established and clear. It means against.
The definition of Semitic is established and clear; it means a language family, and has nothing to do with religion.

Therefore the only thing "anti-Semitic" can possibly mean is being against a particular language family. One that includes both the Arabic and the Hebrew languages along with a few others. None of which express any idea of the speaker's religion.

So if some wag tries to coin it as specific to Jews --- he's what we call "wrong". You should stop indulging him already. Oy.

Alright, so we'll just start calling people who hate Arabs "antisemites" as well. How is that...make you happy? Does Jew hater work better for you?

Better, but you gotta throw in Eritreans, some Ethiopians and a player to be named later.

Who made this word-coiner guy (I didn't take note of his name) the boss of you?

 

[TNHarley]

Don't ya just love religion?

Goddamn people...

 

[Roudy]

It's the Jews' fault you live in that refrigerator box. LOL

Ok, you get the point. There must be more than "they're jealous, mommy."

So what do you really think causes so much Jew hatred? I'll tell you one thing. The hatred people see underlying all of your posts don't help our situation. When you guys come on here day after day spewing hatred towards gentiles, you must admit that that can't help. No?

You're asking me why people like you hate Jews or other people? Well, it has to do with upbringing, childhood environment, indoctrination, religious ideology, lack of proper education, state of mind, etc. As it is clearly evident in you.

I think you have bought into what Herzl was talking about.

Herzl stated in his diary:


"It would be an excellent idea to call in respectable, accredited anti-Semites as liquidators of property. To the people they would vouch for the fact that we do not wish to bring about the impoverishment of the countries that we leave. At first they must not be given large fees for this; otherwise we shall spoil our instruments and make them despicable as 'stooges of the Jews.' Later their fees will increase, and in the end we shall have only Gentile officials in the countries from which we have emigrated. The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies." (The Complete Diaries of Theodor Herzl. Vol. 1, edited by Raphael Patai, translated by Harry Zohn, page 83-84)

Theodor Herzl | True Torah Jews

How many times do we have to tell you not to quote from that garbage cultist site?

LOL! IDIOT!

Are you now claiming that that is not a real quote? He never wrote those words?

Here it is again for you...

"It would be an excellent idea to call in respectable, accredited anti-Semites as liquidators of property. To the people they would vouch for the fact that we do not wish to bring about the impoverishment of the countries that we leave. At first they must not be given large fees for this; otherwise we shall spoil our instruments and make them despicable as 'stooges of the Jews.' Later their fees will increase, and in the end we shall have only Gentile officials in the countries from which we have emigrated. The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies." (The Complete Diaries of Theodor Herzl. Vol. 1, edited by Raphael Patai, translated by Harry Zohn, page 83-84)

Yes, that is a mutilated quote. Next?

 

[louie888]

Ok, you get the point. There must be more than "they're jealous, mommy."

So what do you really think causes so much Jew hatred? I'll tell you one thing. The hatred people see underlying all of your posts don't help our situation. When you guys come on here day after day spewing hatred towards gentiles, you must admit that that can't help. No?

You're asking me why people like you hate Jews or other people? Well, it has to do with upbringing, childhood environment, indoctrination, religious ideology, lack of proper education, state of mind, etc. As it is clearly evident in you.

I think you have bought into what Herzl was talking about.

Herzl stated in his diary:


"It would be an excellent idea to call in respectable, accredited anti-Semites as liquidators of property. To the people they would vouch for the fact that we do not wish to bring about the impoverishment of the countries that we leave. At first they must not be given large fees for this; otherwise we shall spoil our instruments and make them despicable as 'stooges of the Jews.' Later their fees will increase, and in the end we shall have only Gentile officials in the countries from which we have emigrated. The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies." (The Complete Diaries of Theodor Herzl. Vol. 1, edited by Raphael Patai, translated by Harry Zohn, page 83-84)

Theodor Herzl | True Torah Jews

How many times do we have to tell you not to quote from that garbage cultist site?

LOL! IDIOT!

Are you now claiming that that is not a real quote? He never wrote those words?

Here it is again for you...

"It would be an excellent idea to call in respectable, accredited anti-Semites as liquidators of property. To the people they would vouch for the fact that we do not wish to bring about the impoverishment of the countries that we leave. At first they must not be given large fees for this; otherwise we shall spoil our instruments and make them despicable as 'stooges of the Jews.' Later their fees will increase, and in the end we shall have only Gentile officials in the countries from which we have emigrated. The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies." (The Complete Diaries of Theodor Herzl. Vol. 1, edited by Raphael Patai, translated by Harry Zohn, page 83-84)

Yes, that is a mutilated quote. Next?

No way, prove it, asswipe. For once now, back your shit up.

 

[Roudy]

semitic and antisemitic have two different definitions, why do you guys lie so much?

Definition of ANTI-SEMITIC

Definition of anti–Semitic

1. : relating to or characterized by anti-Semitism : feeling or showing hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a cultural, racial, or ethnic group anti-Semitic statements/rhetoric … his critics charge he is anti-Semitic and anti-black, allegations that he denies. — James M. Perry

See if you can work it out --- what does the prefix "anti" mean?

Now what does the word "Semitic" mean?

See above post. If not obvious, lather, rinse repeat.

The definition is pretty clear. I don't see what the argument is. You want to create a new definition, take it up with Webster. LOL

No need to. Webster's writ by humans; it can be wrong too.
The definition of anti is established and clear. It means against.
The definition of Semitic is established and clear; it means a language family, and has nothing to do with religion.

Therefore the only thing "anti-Semitic" can possibly mean is being against a particular language family. One that includes both the Arabic and the Hebrew languages along with a few others. None of which express any idea of the speaker's religion.

So if some wag tries to coin it as specific to Jews --- he's what we call "wrong". You should stop indulging him already. Oy.

Alright, so we'll just start calling people who hate Arabs "antisemites" as well. How is that...make you happy? Does Jew hater work better for you?

Better, but you gotta throw in Eritreans, some Ethiopians and a player to be named later.

Who made this word-coiner guy (I didn't take note of his name) the boss of you?

So with your permission when we're around you we'll call antisemites "Jew-haters". No need to mix your nice Arab / Muslim friends with those evil Joooos.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The word Semitic refer to languages.

The term Antisemitism refers to only Jews.

anti-Semitism

Anti-Semitism, hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious or racial group. The term anti-Semitism was coined in 1879 by the German agitator Wilhelm Marr to designate the anti-Jewish campaigns under way in central Europe at that time. Although the term now has wide currency, it is a misnomer, since it implies a discrimination against all Semites.

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Blame the misuse of the word on Wilhelm Marr, a true blue Jew hater.
Before that the term used was Judeophobia.
He decided to give it a "scientific" touch.

Soooo you're admitting that "anti-Semitic" means what it says, and not "anti-Jew", but advising we should go on misuing it ---- even after we know better?

"When the known facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir"?

Again, the origin of this question was he observation by the OP:

I always find it funny when people scream about anti-Semitism but talk all kinds of shit about muslims. LOL
"You cant hate the jews, but shove some pork down a muzzies throat! ROAR"

--- with which sentiment I agree ............ because we know what "Semitic" actually means, therefore we appreciate the irony. It ain't rocket surgery.

semitic and antisemitic have two different definitions, why do you guys lie so much?

Definition of ANTI-SEMITIC

Definition of anti–Semitic

1. : relating to or characterized by anti-Semitism : feeling or showing hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a cultural, racial, or ethnic group anti-Semitic statements/rhetoric … his critics charge he is anti-Semitic and anti-black, allegations that he denies. — James M. Perry

See if you can work it out --- what does the prefix "anti" mean?

Now what does the word "Semitic" mean?

See above post. If not obvious, lather, rinse repeat.

The definition is pretty clear. I don't see what the argument is. You want to create a new definition, take it up with Webster. LOL

No need to. Webster's writ by humans; it can be wrong too.
The definition of anti is established and clear. It means against.
The definition of Semitic is established and clear; it means a language family, and has nothing to do with religion.

Therefore the only thing "anti-Semitic" can possibly mean is being against a particular language family. One that includes both the Arabic and the Hebrew languages along with a few others. None of which express any idea of the speaker's religion.

So if some wag tries to coin it as specific to Jews --- he's what we call "wrong". You should stop indulging him already. Oy.

The fascinating thing is that you do have a clip of video going (vide video)

And that is exactly how you respond to facts.

Never mind to you what Marr meant and why, here is a history which will explain how much he loved Jews, and why he joined those two words together.
Not everything which "sounds" clear, is clear as you put it in Your definition of the two words.

Wilhelm Marr - Wikipedia

 

[Roudy]

You're asking me why people like you hate Jews or other people? Well, it has to do with upbringing, childhood environment, indoctrination, religious ideology, lack of proper education, state of mind, etc. As it is clearly evident in you.

I think you have bought into what Herzl was talking about.

Herzl stated in his diary:


"It would be an excellent idea to call in respectable, accredited anti-Semites as liquidators of property. To the people they would vouch for the fact that we do not wish to bring about the impoverishment of the countries that we leave. At first they must not be given large fees for this; otherwise we shall spoil our instruments and make them despicable as 'stooges of the Jews.' Later their fees will increase, and in the end we shall have only Gentile officials in the countries from which we have emigrated. The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies." (The Complete Diaries of Theodor Herzl. Vol. 1, edited by Raphael Patai, translated by Harry Zohn, page 83-84)

Theodor Herzl | True Torah Jews

How many times do we have to tell you not to quote from that garbage cultist site?

LOL! IDIOT!

Are you now claiming that that is not a real quote? He never wrote those words?

Here it is again for you...

"It would be an excellent idea to call in respectable, accredited anti-Semites as liquidators of property. To the people they would vouch for the fact that we do not wish to bring about the impoverishment of the countries that we leave. At first they must not be given large fees for this; otherwise we shall spoil our instruments and make them despicable as 'stooges of the Jews.' Later their fees will increase, and in the end we shall have only Gentile officials in the countries from which we have emigrated. The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies." (The Complete Diaries of Theodor Herzl. Vol. 1, edited by Raphael Patai, translated by Harry Zohn, page 83-84)

Yes, that is a mutilated quote. Next?

No way, prove it, asswipe. For once now, back your shit up.

Nothing on that site is to be believed.
Now,
G_
F_CK
Y__RS_LF!

Would you like to buy a vowel?

 

[louie888]

I think you have bought into what Herzl was talking about.

Herzl stated in his diary:


"It would be an excellent idea to call in respectable, accredited anti-Semites as liquidators of property. To the people they would vouch for the fact that we do not wish to bring about the impoverishment of the countries that we leave. At first they must not be given large fees for this; otherwise we shall spoil our instruments and make them despicable as 'stooges of the Jews.' Later their fees will increase, and in the end we shall have only Gentile officials in the countries from which we have emigrated. The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies." (The Complete Diaries of Theodor Herzl. Vol. 1, edited by Raphael Patai, translated by Harry Zohn, page 83-84)

Theodor Herzl | True Torah Jews

How many times do we have to tell you not to quote from that garbage cultist site?

LOL! IDIOT!

Are you now claiming that that is not a real quote? He never wrote those words?

Here it is again for you...

"It would be an excellent idea to call in respectable, accredited anti-Semites as liquidators of property. To the people they would vouch for the fact that we do not wish to bring about the impoverishment of the countries that we leave. At first they must not be given large fees for this; otherwise we shall spoil our instruments and make them despicable as 'stooges of the Jews.' Later their fees will increase, and in the end we shall have only Gentile officials in the countries from which we have emigrated. The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies." (The Complete Diaries of Theodor Herzl. Vol. 1, edited by Raphael Patai, translated by Harry Zohn, page 83-84)

Yes, that is a mutilated quote. Next?

No way, prove it, asswipe. For once now, back your shit up.

Nothing on that site is to be believed.
Now,
G_
F_CK
Y__RS_LF!

Would you like to buy a vowel?

You are wrong again, as usual.

But then again, I never really thought you read a book anyways.

 

[Pogo]

You got it.
I will stop "educating' an ignoramus who does not care about the meaning of words, and how long the word Palestine has been used to define a country which never existed and a people who never called themselves as such before 1964.

Pathetic. I was the one who posted the etymology of the word "Palestine" refuting the idea that it was only invented in the late 20th century, or 1964, or whatever. 2500+ years of history. Obviously I very much care about the meanings of words and I will not have their histories revised.

And the reason some Arabs (sad that you do not know what an Arab is, or a Muslim, Druze or Bedouin, or could care less about it. They care)

Once AGAIN -- I went into nothing about "who Arabs are" (or Bedouins or Berbers or anyone else), which are ethnic groups, not religions, so you're already mixing apples and oranges in the content I never posted but which you pulled out of your ass. But being an ethnomusicologist. I'm well aware of who they are thank you very much. Anthropology was my major in fact. But this isn't about anthro -- it's about etymology.

Cheer on. It is your life and your knowledge and it does not get in the way of Israel striving and being one of the most successful countries in the world.

Whatever. AGAIN nothing to do with anything I've posted. AGAIN you're pulling another strawman out of your ass. Playing Bullwinkle in search of a Rocky.

Words do not matter.

Ah but they do. That's my whole point here.

 

[Mr Natural]

Don't ya just love religion?

Goddamn people...

And of the things that pit humans against humans, religion has got to be by far the dumbest reason of all.

 

[Roudy]

How many times do we have to tell you not to quote from that garbage cultist site?

LOL! IDIOT!

Are you now claiming that that is not a real quote? He never wrote those words?

Here it is again for you...

"It would be an excellent idea to call in respectable, accredited anti-Semites as liquidators of property. To the people they would vouch for the fact that we do not wish to bring about the impoverishment of the countries that we leave. At first they must not be given large fees for this; otherwise we shall spoil our instruments and make them despicable as 'stooges of the Jews.' Later their fees will increase, and in the end we shall have only Gentile officials in the countries from which we have emigrated. The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies." (The Complete Diaries of Theodor Herzl. Vol. 1, edited by Raphael Patai, translated by Harry Zohn, page 83-84)

Yes, that is a mutilated quote. Next?

No way, prove it, asswipe. For once now, back your shit up.

Nothing on that site is to be believed.
Now,
G_
F_CK
Y__RS_LF!

Would you like to buy a vowel?

You are wrong again, as usual.

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But then again, I never really thought you read a book anyways.

Wow, a picture with nothing else. Ho ho ho merry Ramadung.

 

[louie888]

Don't ya just love religion?

Goddamn people...

And of the things that pit humans against humans, religion has got to be by far the dumbest reason of all.

I have tried to explain to my fellow Jews here that even if the bible is accurate, that they have no right to thieve and murder, let alone in the name of our G-d.

They just don't get it.

 

[louie888]

LOL! IDIOT!

Are you now claiming that that is not a real quote? He never wrote those words?

Here it is again for you...

"It would be an excellent idea to call in respectable, accredited anti-Semites as liquidators of property. To the people they would vouch for the fact that we do not wish to bring about the impoverishment of the countries that we leave. At first they must not be given large fees for this; otherwise we shall spoil our instruments and make them despicable as 'stooges of the Jews.' Later their fees will increase, and in the end we shall have only Gentile officials in the countries from which we have emigrated. The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies." (The Complete Diaries of Theodor Herzl. Vol. 1, edited by Raphael Patai, translated by Harry Zohn, page 83-84)

Yes, that is a mutilated quote. Next?

No way, prove it, asswipe. For once now, back your shit up.

Nothing on that site is to be believed.
Now,
G_
F_CK
Y__RS_LF!

Would you like to buy a vowel?

You are wrong again, as usual.

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But then again, I never really thought you read a book anyways.

Wow, a picture with nothing else. Ho ho ho merry Ramadung.

You said the quote was mutilated. I proved it was word for word from his diary. You also claimed "taking" is not a word. You claim Jew hatred is from jealousy. These are just some of the valuable things you add to this board. You are a moron, clearly.

 

[Roudy]

Don't ya just love religion?

Goddamn people...

And of the things that pit humans against humans, religion has got to be by far the dumbest reason of all.

I have tried to explain to my fellow Jews here that even if the bible is accurate, that they have no right to thieve and murder, let alone in the name of our G-d.

They just don't get it.

And I have tried to explain to my fellow Muslims that all the Koran was written by an illiterate terrorist theif who had in a nine year old wife. How he became "the perfect human" and "final messenger"...I don't know.

 

[Roudy]

Yes, that is a mutilated quote. Next?

No way, prove it, asswipe. For once now, back your shit up.

Nothing on that site is to be believed.
Now,
G_
F_CK
Y__RS_LF!

Would you like to buy a vowel?

You are wrong again, as usual.

View attachment 127335

View attachment 127336

But then again, I never really thought you read a book anyways.

Wow, a picture with nothing else. Ho ho ho merry Ramadung.

You said the quote was mutilated. I proved it was word for word from his diary. You also claimed "taking" is not a word. You claim Jew hatred is from jealousy. These are just some of the valuable things you add to this board. You are a moron, clearly.

It's picture from a book, with nothing else. Your mosque Imam could have written that book.

 

[Shusha]

Pathetic. I was the one who posted the etymology of the word "Palestine" refuting the idea that it was only invented in the late 20th century, or 1964, or whatever. ...But this isn't about anthro -- it's about etymology.

Um. Do you know what the word "etymology" means?

et·y·mol·o·gy
ˌedəˈmäləjē/
noun

1. the study of the origin of words and the way in which their meanings have changed throughout history.

No one is arguing about the age of the word "Palestine". We are pointing out how the meaning of the word has changed in recent history. It now means something different than it meant a hundred years ago.

 

[Pogo]

Pathetic. I was the one who posted the etymology of the word "Palestine" refuting the idea that it was only invented in the late 20th century, or 1964, or whatever. ...But this isn't about anthro -- it's about etymology.

Um. Do you know what the word "etymology" means?

et·y·mol·o·gy
ˌedəˈmäləjē/
noun

1. the study of the origin of words and the way in which their meanings have changed throughout history.

No one is arguing about the age of the word "Palestine". We are pointing out how the meaning of the word has changed in recent history. It now means something different than it meant a hundred years ago.

Sure, but it's not an invention of the 20th century. I know nobody is arguing about the age of the word Palestine now. Once they had their collective ass handed to them they gave that one up.

Besides which --- Palestine is a proper noun. They don't get "redefined" except as political borders change.

 

[louie888]

Pathetic. I was the one who posted the etymology of the word "Palestine" refuting the idea that it was only invented in the late 20th century, or 1964, or whatever. ...But this isn't about anthro -- it's about etymology.

Um. Do you know what the word "etymology" means?

et·y·mol·o·gy
ˌedəˈmäləjē/
noun

1. the study of the origin of words and the way in which their meanings have changed throughout history.

No one is arguing about the age of the word "Palestine". We are pointing out how the meaning of the word has changed in recent history. It now means something different than it meant a hundred years ago.

Sure, but it's not an invention of the 20th century. I know nobody is arguing about the age of the word Palestine now. Once they had their collective ass handed to them they gave that one up.

Besides which --- Palestine is a proper noun. They don't get "redefined" except as political borders change.

They'll be back. It has been explained to them before, several times in fact. They keep forgetting or pretending to forget. Folks should decide that on their own.

 

[Shusha]

I have tried to explain to my fellow Jews here that even if the bible is accurate, that they have no right to thieve and murder, let alone in the name of our G-d.

They just don't get it.

And we've tried to explain to you that holding sovereignty over (part of) our ancestral and historical lands, including our Holy sites (!), is not thieving and that we have every right to defend our indigenous territory.

The Temple Mount was usurped by another peoples. Why would it be considered "thievery" to re-assert our rights there?

Forget about re-building the Temple in Israel -- why don't we re-build it in Mecca? Its not like the Arab/Muslim peoples could consider that "thievery", now, could they?