I didn't realize it until after the Charlie Kirk Memorial.

[Missouri_Mike]

Too bad Trump followed her plea for unity by saying he disagreed with her then went on a rampage spewing his usual hate, lies, misogony, demands for revenge & his usual unhinged blather.

He should look in the mirror because judging by the shit he spewed today alone, shows he partly responsible for the division in this country.

Erika Kirk should think twice about associating woth someone like Trump along with his gutter talk.

The government has no need to forgive, they aren’t the clergy, they enforce the law. What do you want a presidential pardon for him?

 

[Missourian]

Not atheists

But, their god is government.

Moloch.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Well, that's not what forgiveness means to me as I am not religious.

And I maintain that she would probably be quietly gleeful to see him be punished. I don't believe that is forgiveness, although some may call it that in order to go along with the formalities of their faith.

One more and I’ll quit quote bombing you. I the Erika said it the best here. It isn’t up to her to decide the punishment. Vengeance on her part is judged by God and she doesn’t need that on her shoulders. Let God and the legal system be the vengeance.

Erika Kirk Says She Wants Gov't to Determine Death Penalty for Husband’s Alleged Killer

Erika Kirk advocates for government determination of death penalty in husband's murder case.

townhall.com

 

[Concerned American]

She's not like you.

Yep, she's not an irretrievable scumbag.

 

[Muckah]

Of course you are. You’re a sick mentally ill bastard.

I meant to say the same thing but refrained!

 

[Concerned American]

Too bad Trump followed her plea for unity by saying he disagreed with her then went on a rampage spewing his usual hate, lies, misogony, demands for revenge & his usual unhinged blather.

And gee, not one person was shot. Such a detour from your democrat ways. Tsk, tsk, tsk---terrible, eh? Scumbag

 

[BothWings]

That’s what it actually is in a Christian sense. Let me see if I can explain.

Let’s say I invite you over for a BBQ. You get ungodly drunk, kick my dog, start a fight and puke on my porch so we call the cops and have you arrested.

I can forgive you. But that doesn’t mean you aren’t going to be charged and prosecuted for fighting, animal cruelty or anything else. And I will testify honestly about what you did at the trial.

My forgiveness also does not include forgetting. So you will not be forgiven and invited back for another BBQ.

Let me add one more part. My forgiveness simply means I’ve let the retaliation for your acts go. I will not be persuing any vengeance toward you.

I understand what it means in a Christian sense. I've known many Christians and am married to one. You don't have to explain. Since I'm not religious I use the world "forgive" in a non-religious sense.

If you go right ahead and testify leaving nothing out, have someone prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and have them punished, you have not forgiven anything. You can also "forgive" someone and spare them any serious repercussions, while still vowing never to associate with them or let them on your property again. If I "forgave" someone, the latter is what I would do. Otherwise I wouldn't call it forgiveness at all.

 

[BothWings]

One more and I’ll quit quote bombing you. I the Erika said it the best here. It isn’t up to her to decide the punishment. Vengeance on her part is judged by God and she doesn’t need that on her shoulders. Let God and the legal system be the vengeance.

Erika Kirk Says She Wants Gov't to Determine Death Penalty for Husband’s Alleged Killer

Erika Kirk advocates for government determination of death penalty in husband's murder case.

townhall.com

Yes, the legal system will decide.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

I understand what it means in a Christian sense. I've known many Christians and am married to one. You don't have to explain. Since I'm not religious I use the world "forgive" in a non-religious sense.

If you go right ahead and testify leaving nothing out, have someone prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and have them punished, you have not forgiven anything. You can also "forgive" someone and spare them any serious repercussions, while still vowing never to associate with them or let them on your property again. If I "forgave" someone, the latter is what I would do. Otherwise I wouldn't call it forgiveness at all.

That’s not what forgiveness is. It’s not a get out of jail free card for the person. You still will be judged by God and the law for your actions. My forgiveness is simply I’m not going to seek vengeance on you. I have turned you over to the creator to judge along with whatever the law does to you.

Forgiveness in no way means you don’t pay the price.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Yes, the legal system will decide.

As will God. And that’s not forgivable by us. That’s between him and the creator. I can forgive and step aside but he still has that judgement to deal with himself.

 

[MarathonMike]

Too bad Trump followed her plea for unity by saying he disagreed with her then went on a rampage spewing his usual hate, lies, misogony, demands for revenge & his usual unhinged blather.

He should look in the mirror because judging by the shit he spewed today alone, shows he partly responsible for the division in this country.

Erika Kirk should think twice about associating woth someone like Trump along with his gutter talk.

I was wondering who would be the first TDS ravaged hater to crap on Charlie Kirk's Memorial. And here you are.

 

[BothWings]

That’s not what forgiveness is. It’s not a get out of jail free card for the person. You still will be judged by God and the law for your actions. My forgiveness is simply I’m not going to seek vengeance on you. I have turned you over to the creator to judge along with whatever the law does to you.

Forgiveness in no way means you don’t pay the price.

To me and many others that's what it means. That's the version I'll live by.

 

[Rawley]

For her to forgive his killer just over a week after he was murdered is about as Christian a sentiment as one could express.

If all Christians acted in this way there would be more Christians I'm sure. It's about actions not just talk, and she acted in a way her faith dictates.

Pretty sure I couldn't do it.

 

[Rawley]

I was wondering who would be the first TDS ravaged hater to crap on Charlie Kirk's Memorial. And here you are.

The hate was rotted any souls they may have ever had.

 

[Clipper]

I was wondering who would be the first TDS ravaged hater to crap on Charlie Kirk's Memorial. And here you are.

Trump crapped all over that memorial with his depraved rant, even calling out Erika Kirk telling her that he disagreed with her call for unity.

Of course Red Hats Boy's like you will ignore it.

 

[BothWings]

As will God. And that’s not forgivable by us. That’s between him and the creator. I can forgive and step aside but he still has that judgement to deal with himself.

I'm not very religious, not Christian, and I don't believe that. It's an absolute waste of your time to try to convince me, although we do seem to agree eye-to-eye on the relevant moral questions and convictions involved. I had an uncle who was a bonafide atheist who thought like that. He used to say he generally agreed with the religious Right on just about everything....EXCEPT religion. I am still quite spiritual, and my spirituality and his atheism occasionally butted heads sometimes. But morally we had the same convictions as well.

With all that said, I believe that acknowledging a higher spiritual power is important to all of us...but organized religions which attempt to define it, name it and claim to know how it works are a joke. So in fact, I do get along with many people who are religious. My wife is Catholic and I have always respected her faith. She also respects mine, which is more similar to that of Native Americans, Hindus, Shinto...all sprinkled with a heavy dose of Buddhism. I would not dream of trying to tell you that you should follow the same path I have. As one who is very open to the idea of reincarnation, it is part of my belief system that we likely incarnate into a cultural situation that is critical to our own spiritual growth. If my wife incarnated into a Catholic household, then that is where her life-lessons lie, already prescribed by her own Karma and Dharma. I don't care if you agree with that part and I won't attempt to convince you. We generally agree morally on things. And that's what's important.

 

[toobfreak]

Democrats may be losing church goers.

I heard that. Since Kirk's assassination, church participation in almost every denomination is markedly up.

Democrats are so f*#@ked.

 

[kyzr]

I tend to be a bit more hard-nosed when it comes to the whole forgiveness thing.
I guess being agnostic let's me look past the forgiveness part and concentrate more on the justice end of things.

Someone said that the definition of an agnostic is "an atheist with no guts".

 

[1srelluc]

Someone said that the definition of an agnostic is "an atheist with no guts".

A wise man hedges his bets.

 

[kyzr]

A wise man hedges his bets.

If you want to "hit the nail on the head" so to speak, buy a good "ghost box", not recommended.