I am putting this here because next thing you know......

[william the wie]

bank the money and burn baby burn that in the plan in hand. And on a more serious note are there people on this board that don't realize the Ds are the political arm of organized crime and the Rs are the political arm of the ogliarchy, that's frightening.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Z

bank the money and burn baby burn that in the plan in hand. And on a more serious note are there people on this board that don't realize the Ds are the political arm of organized crime and the Rs are the political arm of the ogliarchy, that's frightening.

Any establishment LIBERAL, Democrat or Republican is the reason why President Trump won the election on his promise of draining the swamp. So far we have seen quite a few swamp creatures, up and leave, knowing that soon they will be held accountable for what they have done to US..

 

[task0778]

Violence is always a possibility, but I think it's more likely people just up and leave Stockton, maybe out of the state if they can. I can see problems where somebody gets money and somebody else doesn't, why him and not me? Sooner or later the money runs out, doesn't seem to be too well-funded to me so it'll be sooner rather than later unless some dumb-**** liberal decides to put more money into it or those idiots in the state gov't decide to put state taxpayer dollars into it. Hard to see it ending well IMHO.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Violence is always a possibility, but I think it's more likely people just up and leave Stockton, maybe out of the state if they can. I can see problems where somebody gets money and somebody else doesn't, why him and not me? Sooner or later the money runs out, doesn't seem to be too well-funded to me so it'll be sooner rather than later unless some dumb-**** liberal decides to put more money into it or those idiots in the state gov't decide to put state taxpayer dollars into it. Hard to see it ending well IMHO.

I can see this ending as always with liberalism and FAIRNESS..

 

[The Irish Ram]

This city will give poorest $500 a month, no strings attached

The mayor of Stockton, Calif. wants to provide a universal basic income for the city’s poorest residents.

Starting this year, an experimental program called the Stockton Economic Empowerment Demonstration (SEED) will pay $500 a month to a few hundred of the city’s low-income residents, no strings attached.

I wonder where the $500 a month per person is going to come from? Also, with this incentive for liberals to move to Stockton, is the moronic mayor taking into account the many stupid poor liberals who will move from poor Illinois to increase the poor of Stockton? My popcorn machine has been working overtime with the lunatic liberals and their other peoples charitable donations. Once the mayor runs out of other peoples money, will we see that city burn like Ferguson and Baltimore?

Not every Stockton resident will get the money during the testing of the program; there will be a process to choose how many and who will get the money.

Funding is apparently coming, at least in part, through private sources. Your own article mentions $1 million coming from the Facebook co-founder. Apparently it's also accepting crowdfunding donations. This California city's 27-year-old mayor will give residents $500 free cash per month

This might be a terrible idea, but so far I haven't seen anything saying it is a terrible idea being funded by taxpayer money.

The poor will flock to Stockton. And of course the money is going to come from taxes, and people will once again tire of giving till it hurts. Drug and alcohol use will flourish. Facebook will move on to the next socialist experiment.
The money for this will just cease to exist and be forced on to the backs of the productive and those who are already just getting by.

 

[Montrovant]

Not every Stockton resident will get the money during the testing of the program; there will be a process to choose how many and who will get the money.

Funding is apparently coming, at least in part, through private sources. Your own article mentions $1 million coming from the Facebook co-founder. Apparently it's also accepting crowdfunding donations. This California city's 27-year-old mayor will give residents $500 free cash per month

This might be a terrible idea, but so far I haven't seen anything saying it is a terrible idea being funded by taxpayer money.

Is the selection committee government paid? What about accounting for the disbursements? Sounds like taxpayer money on both ends.

Let me clarify: I don't see anything indicating that the money being given to Stockton residents is taxpayer money. Of course anything in which representatives or government employees are officially involved can be said to cost taxpayer money, just from the salaries of those people.

just from the salaries of those people

Who the **** is paying the salaries of those people? you people are such retards.

Are you saying that government representatives and employees get their pay through something other than taxes?

Those on Capital Hill have set themselves up nicely with stock dividends and profits that those insiders get. How else can people go in dirt poor and on a $150,000 a year job, end up with 10s of millions? If we did what they did(like Martha Stewart was accused of) we would be spending years in jail , while they wrote themselves out of the law...

What does all of that have to do with my posts? You seem to want to rant without worrying overmuch about what you are replying to.

 

[william the wie]

Violence is always a possibility, but I think it's more likely people just up and leave Stockton, maybe out of the state if they can. I can see problems where somebody gets money and somebody else doesn't, why him and not me? Sooner or later the money runs out, doesn't seem to be too well-funded to me so it'll be sooner rather than later unless some dumb-**** liberal decides to put more money into it or those idiots in the state gov't decide to put state taxpayer dollars into it. Hard to see it ending well IMHO.

Stockton like the rest of CA needs fire or some other house destroyer to finance out. The home equity losses from the mortgage deduction cap is at @15% of GDP nationwide, minimum, with at least 25% of total losses in CA. Seriously if you use Zillow you can reach a defensible guesstimate of 25% of GDP with 40% of all loses in CA but I suspect such a guesstimate would include a lot of housing that was ineligible under the old deduction cap of $1M.

 

[task0778]

Violence is always a possibility, but I think it's more likely people just up and leave Stockton, maybe out of the state if they can. I can see problems where somebody gets money and somebody else doesn't, why him and not me? Sooner or later the money runs out, doesn't seem to be too well-funded to me so it'll be sooner rather than later unless some dumb-**** liberal decides to put more money into it or those idiots in the state gov't decide to put state taxpayer dollars into it. Hard to see it ending well IMHO.

Stockton like the rest of CA needs fire or some other house destroyer to finance out. The home equity losses from the mortgage deduction cap is at @15% of GDP nationwide, minimum, with at least 25% of total losses in CA. Seriously if you use Zillow you can reach a defensible guesstimate of 25% of GDP with 40% of all loses in CA but I suspect such a guesstimate would include a lot of housing that was ineligible under the old deduction cap of $1M.

Not sure what 'finance out' means, how does that help the local gov't pay for the program in question? Home insurance has to be rising quite a bit, who the hell can afford to keep living there? It looks like a ridiculously stupid idea for a city that is already close to bankruptcy anyway, didn't they already go that route once before? The fiscal hole they're digging is getting deeper and they're still digging.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Is the selection committee government paid? What about accounting for the disbursements? Sounds like taxpayer money on both ends.

Let me clarify: I don't see anything indicating that the money being given to Stockton residents is taxpayer money. Of course anything in which representatives or government employees are officially involved can be said to cost taxpayer money, just from the salaries of those people.

just from the salaries of those people

Who the **** is paying the salaries of those people? you people are such retards.

Are you saying that government representatives and employees get their pay through something other than taxes?

Those on Capital Hill have set themselves up nicely with stock dividends and profits that those insiders get. How else can people go in dirt poor and on a $150,000 a year job, end up with 10s of millions? If we did what they did(like Martha Stewart was accused of) we would be spending years in jail , while they wrote themselves out of the law...

What does all of that have to do with my posts? You seem to want to rant without worrying overmuch about what you are replying to.

Not ranting at all, worthless ****(rules for radicals wont work, sorry) just pointing out that when you give too much of other peoples money to those that don't ******* deserve it, soon there is nothing left of your city except poor. Then you libfucks will be ranting and raving while burning city hall to the ground for promising Socialist Utopia which always end up in destruction.

You idiots who use the Rules, just makes me laugh my ass off. You are too ******* funny....

 

[william the wie]

Violence is always a possibility, but I think it's more likely people just up and leave Stockton, maybe out of the state if they can. I can see problems where somebody gets money and somebody else doesn't, why him and not me? Sooner or later the money runs out, doesn't seem to be too well-funded to me so it'll be sooner rather than later unless some dumb-**** liberal decides to put more money into it or those idiots in the state gov't decide to put state taxpayer dollars into it. Hard to see it ending well IMHO.

Stockton like the rest of CA needs fire or some other house destroyer to finance out. The home equity losses from the mortgage deduction cap is at @15% of GDP nationwide, minimum, with at least 25% of total losses in CA. Seriously if you use Zillow you can reach a defensible guesstimate of 25% of GDP with 40% of all loses in CA but I suspect such a guesstimate would include a lot of housing that was ineligible under the old deduction cap of $1M.

Not sure what 'finance out' means, how does that help the local gov't pay for the program in question? Home insurance has to be rising quite a bit, who the hell can afford to keep living there? It looks like a ridiculously stupid idea for a city that is already close to bankruptcy anyway, didn't they already go that route once before? The fiscal hole they're digging is getting deeper and they're still digging.

You are right in your assumptions but not in your conclusion. Financing an exit from the Hotel California can only be done with insurance, if that, and it must be done before more micro-management comes out of Sacramento.

 

[Montrovant]

Let me clarify: I don't see anything indicating that the money being given to Stockton residents is taxpayer money. Of course anything in which representatives or government employees are officially involved can be said to cost taxpayer money, just from the salaries of those people.

just from the salaries of those people

Who the **** is paying the salaries of those people? you people are such retards.

Are you saying that government representatives and employees get their pay through something other than taxes?

Those on Capital Hill have set themselves up nicely with stock dividends and profits that those insiders get. How else can people go in dirt poor and on a $150,000 a year job, end up with 10s of millions? If we did what they did(like Martha Stewart was accused of) we would be spending years in jail , while they wrote themselves out of the law...

What does all of that have to do with my posts? You seem to want to rant without worrying overmuch about what you are replying to.

Not ranting at all, worthless ****(rules for radicals wont work, sorry) just pointing out that when you give too much of other peoples money to those that don't ******* deserve it, soon there is nothing left of your city except poor. Then you libfucks will be ranting and raving while burning city hall to the ground for promising Socialist Utopia which always end up in destruction.

You idiots who use the Rules, just makes me laugh my ass off. You are too ******* funny....

Again, at least in the testing phase, this program appears to be funded by private means. Other than the salaries of the government employees involved, the money for the test program seems to be coming from an organization of which the co-founder of Facebook is a part, with crowdfunding added in.

Whether the program can work or will be an abysmal failure has nothing at all to do with what I've posted. Not once have I claimed this program will work, nor that a basic living stipend is a good idea. I am also not a liberal, nor am I pining for any sort of socialist utopia, nor do I follow Rules for Radicals.

You may enjoy a good strawman argument, but realize that while you are quoting my posts, you are not arguing with anything I've actually said.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Who the **** is paying the salaries of those people? you people are such retards.

Are you saying that government representatives and employees get their pay through something other than taxes?

Those on Capital Hill have set themselves up nicely with stock dividends and profits that those insiders get. How else can people go in dirt poor and on a $150,000 a year job, end up with 10s of millions? If we did what they did(like Martha Stewart was accused of) we would be spending years in jail , while they wrote themselves out of the law...

What does all of that have to do with my posts? You seem to want to rant without worrying overmuch about what you are replying to.

Not ranting at all, worthless ****(rules for radicals wont work, sorry) just pointing out that when you give too much of other peoples money to those that don't ******* deserve it, soon there is nothing left of your city except poor. Then you libfucks will be ranting and raving while burning city hall to the ground for promising Socialist Utopia which always end up in destruction.

You idiots who use the Rules, just makes me laugh my ass off. You are too ******* funny....

Again, at least in the testing phase, this program appears to be funded by private means. Other than the salaries of the government employees involved, the money for the test program seems to be coming from an organization of which the co-founder of Facebook is a part, with crowdfunding added in.

Whether the program can work or will be an abysmal failure has nothing at all to do with what I've posted. Not once have I claimed this program will work, nor that a basic living stipend is a good idea. I am also not a liberal, nor am I pining for any sort of socialist utopia, nor do I follow Rules for Radicals.

You may enjoy a good strawman argument, but realize that while you are quoting my posts, you are not arguing with anything I've actually said.

Did you not understand that when FREE stuff is given out, soon those that don't have end up where the FREE stuff is given. Why else do liberal cities have an overpopulation of poor people in them? Do you think the private means can just keep on giving to the mass of migrants that will show up, or soon have to shut down, like the motor city did? use your brain man, math isn't that hard.

 

[task0778]

Violence is always a possibility, but I think it's more likely people just up and leave Stockton, maybe out of the state if they can. I can see problems where somebody gets money and somebody else doesn't, why him and not me? Sooner or later the money runs out, doesn't seem to be too well-funded to me so it'll be sooner rather than later unless some dumb-**** liberal decides to put more money into it or those idiots in the state gov't decide to put state taxpayer dollars into it. Hard to see it ending well IMHO.

Stockton like the rest of CA needs fire or some other house destroyer to finance out. The home equity losses from the mortgage deduction cap is at @15% of GDP nationwide, minimum, with at least 25% of total losses in CA. Seriously if you use Zillow you can reach a defensible guesstimate of 25% of GDP with 40% of all loses in CA but I suspect such a guesstimate would include a lot of housing that was ineligible under the old deduction cap of $1M.

Not sure what 'finance out' means, how does that help the local gov't pay for the program in question? Home insurance has to be rising quite a bit, who the hell can afford to keep living there? It looks like a ridiculously stupid idea for a city that is already close to bankruptcy anyway, didn't they already go that route once before? The fiscal hole they're digging is getting deeper and they're still digging.

You are right in your assumptions but not in your conclusion. Financing an exit from the Hotel California can only be done with insurance, if that, and it must be done before more micro-management comes out of Sacramento.

Which conclusion is that? Not being argumentative or a dick, just confused (my normal state). Are you talking about if/when my house burns down? I get an insurance payout, right? Not sure what the legal entanglements are, but I use that money to haul ass out of CA asap. Assuming I have some equity between what I still owe on the mortgage and what I get from the insurance company.

All these people and companies leaving CA, what about their houses? Are they just walking away from their mortgages and equity? Word is they're leaving in significant numbers, , must be a lot of for sale signs out there. Not that I feel too sorry for them, anybody with a brain should've seen this coming a long time ago.

 

[Montrovant]

Are you saying that government representatives and employees get their pay through something other than taxes?

Those on Capital Hill have set themselves up nicely with stock dividends and profits that those insiders get. How else can people go in dirt poor and on a $150,000 a year job, end up with 10s of millions? If we did what they did(like Martha Stewart was accused of) we would be spending years in jail , while they wrote themselves out of the law...

What does all of that have to do with my posts? You seem to want to rant without worrying overmuch about what you are replying to.

Not ranting at all, worthless ****(rules for radicals wont work, sorry) just pointing out that when you give too much of other peoples money to those that don't ******* deserve it, soon there is nothing left of your city except poor. Then you libfucks will be ranting and raving while burning city hall to the ground for promising Socialist Utopia which always end up in destruction.

You idiots who use the Rules, just makes me laugh my ass off. You are too ******* funny....

Again, at least in the testing phase, this program appears to be funded by private means. Other than the salaries of the government employees involved, the money for the test program seems to be coming from an organization of which the co-founder of Facebook is a part, with crowdfunding added in.

Whether the program can work or will be an abysmal failure has nothing at all to do with what I've posted. Not once have I claimed this program will work, nor that a basic living stipend is a good idea. I am also not a liberal, nor am I pining for any sort of socialist utopia, nor do I follow Rules for Radicals.

You may enjoy a good strawman argument, but realize that while you are quoting my posts, you are not arguing with anything I've actually said.

Did you not understand that when FREE stuff is given out, soon those that don't have end up where the FREE stuff is given. Why else do liberal cities have an overpopulation of poor people in them? Do you think the private means can just keep on giving to the mass of migrants that will show up, or soon have to shut down, like the motor city did? use your brain man, math isn't that hard.

You're obviously having comprehension problems. All I've done is point out, factually, that the information on the test program does not indicate the money given to recipients will be taxpayer funded. Everything else is you arguing a strawman. If that's what you wish to do, have fun with it: you don't need me for that.

 

[william the wie]

Violence is always a possibility, but I think it's more likely people just up and leave Stockton, maybe out of the state if they can. I can see problems where somebody gets money and somebody else doesn't, why him and not me? Sooner or later the money runs out, doesn't seem to be too well-funded to me so it'll be sooner rather than later unless some dumb-**** liberal decides to put more money into it or those idiots in the state gov't decide to put state taxpayer dollars into it. Hard to see it ending well IMHO.

Stockton like the rest of CA needs fire or some other house destroyer to finance out. The home equity losses from the mortgage deduction cap is at @15% of GDP nationwide, minimum, with at least 25% of total losses in CA. Seriously if you use Zillow you can reach a defensible guesstimate of 25% of GDP with 40% of all loses in CA but I suspect such a guesstimate would include a lot of housing that was ineligible under the old deduction cap of $1M.

Not sure what 'finance out' means, how does that help the local gov't pay for the program in question? Home insurance has to be rising quite a bit, who the hell can afford to keep living there? It looks like a ridiculously stupid idea for a city that is already close to bankruptcy anyway, didn't they already go that route once before? The fiscal hole they're digging is getting deeper and they're still digging.

You are right in your assumptions but not in your conclusion. Financing an exit from the Hotel California can only be done with insurance, if that, and it must be done before more micro-management comes out of Sacramento.

Which conclusion is that? Not being argumentative or a dick, just confused (my normal state). Are you talking about if/when my house burns down? I get an insurance payout, right? Not sure what the legal entanglements are, but I use that money to haul ass out of CA asap. Assuming I have some equity between what I still owe on the mortgage and what I get from the insurance company.

All these people and companies leaving CA, what about their houses? Are they just walking away from their mortgages and equity? Word is they're leaving in significant numbers, , must be a lot of for sale signs out there. Not that I feel too sorry for them, anybody with a brain should've seen this coming a long time ago.

Some do just abandon, others are becoming grow houses and 30 illegals in a house designed for three people is also done. But with the homeless illegal problem and the Hepatitis epidemic California is becoming an extremely dangerous place to live. For most people who live there only natural disaster provides the necessary funds to relocate some place safe. Even Hollywood stars rarely live in California any more.