I am an atheist.

[Czernobog]

If there is no God then it is NOT immoral for one man to kill his neighbor in order to steal his food, wealth and women in order to advance his genetics and his prodigy, just like in the animal world. Or is it "immoral" when one male lion kills another male lion in order to take over a pride?

Is a lion capable of rational thought? Does man live by instinct, a,lone? *Unless the answer to one of these is "Yes" then your argument is absurd. I thought I covered that with:

 

[ding]

You can't seem to stop skipping steps can you?

Don't know what you're talking about.

All the steps you just passed over to reach an irrational and emotional conclusion.

What steps?

Exactly. You can't even think of what they could possibly be or the reasoning behind them.

Actually, I'm proving a point. You won't say what "steps", because you don't dare. It would destroy your argument.

Of course I'm going to tell you the steps you are skipping to show that you never considered them.

1. Admit abortion is wrong before figuring out how to proceed. Which you just did. Thank you.
2. Recognize - that as a rule - that child in the womb is the consequence of its mother and father's actions.
3. Acknowledge that the child in the womb is the responsibility of its mother and father.
4. Recognize that with responsibility comes obligation.
5. Serve you obligation and hand a healthy child over for adoption.

 

[Czernobog]

Don't know what you're talking about.

All the steps you just passed over to reach an irrational and emotional conclusion.

What steps?

Exactly. You can't even think of what they could possibly be or the reasoning behind them.

Actually, I'm proving a point. You won't say what "steps", because you don't dare. It would destroy your argument.

Of course I'm going to tell you the steps you are skipping to show that you never considered them.

1. Admit abortion is wrong before figuring out how to proceed. Which you just did. Thank you.

I admitted no such thing.

2. Recognize - that as a rule - that child in the womb is the consequence of its mother and father's actions.

I recognise no such thing. Further, even if I did, the consequence is awfully one sided. The woman has to go through life threatening bodily changes, her entire life is disrupted for, at least, nine months, then she has to go through the pain of child birth. What, exactly, are the consequences to the father, again. And don't bother with child support, because your little scenario ends with the state taking the kid, meaning the father will not be paying any child support. So, basically, that we recognise that only the woman must bear the responsibility for this "consequence". How nice for men.

So, let's stop there as your entire argument is "punish women".

 

[K9Buck]

If there is no God then it is NOT immoral for one man to kill his neighbor in order to steal his food, wealth and women in order to advance his genetics and his prodigy, just like in the animal world. Or is it "immoral" when one male lion kills another male lion in order to take over a pride?

Is a lion capable of rational thought? Does man live by instinct, a,lone? *Unless the answer to one of these is "Yes" then your argument is absurd. I thought I covered that with:

You're answering questions with questions and insulting memes because you cannot logically defend your illogical position. Carry on.

 

[Czernobog]

If there is no God then it is NOT immoral for one man to kill his neighbor in order to steal his food, wealth and women in order to advance his genetics and his prodigy, just like in the animal world. Or is it "immoral" when one male lion kills another male lion in order to take over a pride?

Is a lion capable of rational thought? Does man live by instinct, a,lone? *Unless the answer to one of these is "Yes" then your argument is absurd. I thought I covered that with:

You're answering questions with questions and insulting memes because you cannot logically defend your illogical position. Carry on.

The questions are the answer. Your absurd proposition imp;lies that man is incapable of any more than instinctive behaviour. Since we know this is not true, your proposition is absurd.

 

[K9Buck]

If there is no God then it is NOT immoral for one man to kill his neighbor in order to steal his food, wealth and women in order to advance his genetics and his prodigy, just like in the animal world. Or is it "immoral" when one male lion kills another male lion in order to take over a pride?

Is a lion capable of rational thought? Does man live by instinct, a,lone? *Unless the answer to one of these is "Yes" then your argument is absurd. I thought I covered that with:

You're answering questions with questions and insulting memes because you cannot logically defend your illogical position. Carry on.

The questions are the answer. Your absurd proposition imp;lies that man is incapable of any more than instinctive behaviour. Since we know this is not true, your proposition is absurd.

You're running from a simple question. If there is no "God", then why is it "immoral" for one man to murder another man in order to take his food, wealth and women?

 

[Czernobog]

If there is no God then it is NOT immoral for one man to kill his neighbor in order to steal his food, wealth and women in order to advance his genetics and his prodigy, just like in the animal world. Or is it "immoral" when one male lion kills another male lion in order to take over a pride?

Is a lion capable of rational thought? Does man live by instinct, a,lone? *Unless the answer to one of these is "Yes" then your argument is absurd. I thought I covered that with:

You're answering questions with questions and insulting memes because you cannot logically defend your illogical position. Carry on.

The questions are the answer. Your absurd proposition imp;lies that man is incapable of any more than instinctive behaviour. Since we know this is not true, your proposition is absurd.

You're running from a simple question. If there is no "God", then why is it "immoral" for one man to murder another man in order to take his food, wealth and women?

I told you why in #post #93. You'r response was, "Nu uh!" Why should I bother repeating myself?

 

[K9Buck]

If there is no God then it is NOT immoral for one man to kill his neighbor in order to steal his food, wealth and women in order to advance his genetics and his prodigy, just like in the animal world. Or is it "immoral" when one male lion kills another male lion in order to take over a pride?

Is a lion capable of rational thought? Does man live by instinct, a,lone? *Unless the answer to one of these is "Yes" then your argument is absurd. I thought I covered that with:

You're answering questions with questions and insulting memes because you cannot logically defend your illogical position. Carry on.

The questions are the answer. Your absurd proposition imp;lies that man is incapable of any more than instinctive behaviour. Since we know this is not true, your proposition is absurd.

You're running from a simple question. If there is no "God", then why is it "immoral" for one man to murder another man in order to take his food, wealth and women?

I told you why in #post #93. You'r response was, "Nu uh!" Why should I bother repeating myself?

No, you're hiding under your desk.

 

[Czernobog]

Is a lion capable of rational thought? Does man live by instinct, a,lone? *Unless the answer to one of these is "Yes" then your argument is absurd. I thought I covered that with:

You're answering questions with questions and insulting memes because you cannot logically defend your illogical position. Carry on.

The questions are the answer. Your absurd proposition imp;lies that man is incapable of any more than instinctive behaviour. Since we know this is not true, your proposition is absurd.

You're running from a simple question. If there is no "God", then why is it "immoral" for one man to murder another man in order to take his food, wealth and women?

I told you why in #post #93. You'r response was, "Nu uh!" Why should I bother repeating myself?

No, you're hiding under your desk.

How is answering your question "hiding under my desk"?

 

[cnm]

Morality comes from God, not you [Czernobog].

Morality is a set of community norms. Valid morals assist community survival. One can see this is the case as morals vary with communities.

 

[K9Buck]

You're answering questions with questions and insulting memes because you cannot logically defend your illogical position. Carry on.

The questions are the answer. Your absurd proposition imp;lies that man is incapable of any more than instinctive behaviour. Since we know this is not true, your proposition is absurd.

You're running from a simple question. If there is no "God", then why is it "immoral" for one man to murder another man in order to take his food, wealth and women?

I told you why in #post #93. You'r response was, "Nu uh!" Why should I bother repeating myself?

No, you're hiding under your desk.

How is answering your question "hiding under my desk"?

I won't engage you further. You have nothing to teach me nor do you engage in genuine, honest discussion. Maybe someone else will partake in your games. Good luck.

 

[Czernobog]

Morality comes from God, not you [Czernobog].

Morality is a set of community norms. Valid morals assist community survival. One can see this is the case as morals vary with communities.

I disagree. Societal norms are the laws the society agrees to. Morality is a personal code of conduct.

 

[Czernobog]

The questions are the answer. Your absurd proposition imp;lies that man is incapable of any more than instinctive behaviour. Since we know this is not true, your proposition is absurd.

You're running from a simple question. If there is no "God", then why is it "immoral" for one man to murder another man in order to take his food, wealth and women?

I told you why in #post #93. You'r response was, "Nu uh!" Why should I bother repeating myself?

No, you're hiding under your desk.

How is answering your question "hiding under my desk"?

I won't engage you further. You have nothing to teach me nor do you engage in genuine, honest discussion. Maybe someone else will partake in your games. Good luck.

Thank you for playing. Do feel free to pick up your parting gifts on the way out.

 

[cnm]

But according to the early thinkers of our country, you can't be good without religion. That's the point.

So what? They traded slavery for votes.

 

[cnm]

Societal norms are the laws the society agrees to.

No. There is no law to be hospitable to strangers, for instance, yet it is the norm in many communities and disregarding that norm is frowned on.

 

[K9Buck]

Morality is a set of community norms. Valid morals assist community survival. One can see this is the case as morals vary with communities.

Is it immoral for a man to kill another man in order to seize his food, wealth and woman?

 

[Czernobog]

Societal norms are the laws the society agrees to.

No. There is no law to be hospitable to strangers, for instance, yet it is the norm in many communities and disregarding that norm is frowned on.

Out of curiosity, where are you from? Because there is certainly no such "norm" in any town, or city that I have lived in in the US.

 

[cnm]

If there is no "God", then why is it "immoral" for one to murder their neighbor and steal their wealth?

Because it violates norms that assist community survival. I mean if everyone went around doing that the community would very soon be destroyed.

 

[cnm]

Is it immoral for a man to kill another man in order to seize his food, wealth and woman?

Not if one is an old testament Israelite. (And the victim is not, of course. That is actually very moral.)

 

[Czernobog]

If there is no "God", then why is it "immoral" for one to murder their neighbor and steal their wealth?

Because it violates norms that assist community survival. I mean if everyone went around doing that the community would very soon be destroyed.

So...if I live on a mountain, as a hermit, it would be perfectly moral for me to kill anyone who wanders by, take their shit, and eat them? After all, since I have no community, I have no moral obligation to anyone, right?