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Hypocrite watch: Democrats -- YOU have to go on Obamacare, but we can opt out!

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Loophole Lets Dozens of Minnesota Congressional Staff Opt Out of Key Health Care Reform Requirement - Big Government

Now isn't that interesting that they have a loophole that their staff doesn't have to go on Obamacare.

If Obamacare is sooooooooooooooooooo wonderful, why give an opt out for your "elite" staff.

Wouldn't that staff be clammoring to be on Obamacare if it's so great?

According to a Freedom Foundation of Minnesota (FFM) review of the state congressional delegation’s committee assignments, it appears that 115 committee staff of Congressmen James Oberstar, Collin Peterson and John Kline might be able to opt out of the requirement to purchase their health coverage through new state-run insurance exchanges. 


“Forcing millions of Americans into government-run exchanges while exempting high-level staffers is the height of Washington arrogance,” Congressman John Kline told FFM. “If it’s good enough for Americans on Main Street, it ought to be good enough for Democrats’ favored staff members.”


While members of Congress and their personal office staff must participate in state insurance exchanges under the new health care reform law, language tucked away in Section 1312 of the 2,076 page bill appears to let hundreds of committee and leadership staff in the House and Senate off the hook and keep their current federal coverage.



A Congressional Research Service analysis obtained by FFM and distributed to Members of Congress and staff indicates that appears to be the case. The 13 page document titled “The Patient Protection and Affordability Care Act, and Its Potential Impact on Members of Congress and Congressional Staff” says the bill’s vague wording apparently leaves out committee staff and party leaders’ staff, as well as other capitol employees. The bottom line: the committee and political staff in the House and Senate who crafted the health care reform legislation can evidently keep their personal health care plans.


Eighteen-term Congressman Oberstar, one of the most powerful committee chairmen in the House and supporter of the health care reform bill, has more committee staff exempted than Peterson and Kline combined.
Kline, who voted against the health care reform bill, has co-sponsored legislation to repeal the loophole, as well as the overall enabling legislation. “I’ll fight to eliminate this outrageous carve-out and ensure no member or congressional staffer gets a better deal than the American people,” Kline said in a statement.

The devil is in the details. When liberals tell YOU that something they are passing is just going to be utopia but they put in a loophole where they can opt out, you know they are LYING to you.

How do you know a Democrat/liberal is lying? Their lips are moving.

:doubt:
 

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Is this another of those things Nancy said we would love once the bill passed?
 

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And just think....if it were not for the Repugnant Party, there would be NO mandates.

Nice of you to put that in your post.

The fact that both parties screwed up still does not make this a good piece of legislation. When we realize that neither side is working for our best interest, we can then begin to join together to change the politicians.
 

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Loophole Lets Dozens of Minnesota Congressional Staff Opt Out of Key Health Care Reform Requirement - Big Government

Now isn't that interesting that they have a loophole that their staff doesn't have to go on Obamacare.

If Obamacare is sooooooooooooooooooo wonderful, why give an opt out for your "elite" staff.

Wouldn't that staff be clammoring to be on Obamacare if it's so great?

According to a Freedom Foundation of Minnesota (FFM) review of the state congressional delegation’s committee assignments, it appears that 115 committee staff of Congressmen James Oberstar, Collin Peterson and John Kline might be able to opt out of the requirement to purchase their health coverage through new state-run insurance exchanges. 


“Forcing millions of Americans into government-run exchanges while exempting high-level staffers is the height of Washington arrogance,” Congressman John Kline told FFM. “If it’s good enough for Americans on Main Street, it ought to be good enough for Democrats’ favored staff members.”


While members of Congress and their personal office staff must participate in state insurance exchanges under the new health care reform law, language tucked away in Section 1312 of the 2,076 page bill appears to let hundreds of committee and leadership staff in the House and Senate off the hook and keep their current federal coverage.



A Congressional Research Service analysis obtained by FFM and distributed to Members of Congress and staff indicates that appears to be the case. The 13 page document titled “The Patient Protection and Affordability Care Act, and Its Potential Impact on Members of Congress and Congressional Staff” says the bill’s vague wording apparently leaves out committee staff and party leaders’ staff, as well as other capitol employees. The bottom line: the committee and political staff in the House and Senate who crafted the health care reform legislation can evidently keep their personal health care plans.


Eighteen-term Congressman Oberstar, one of the most powerful committee chairmen in the House and supporter of the health care reform bill, has more committee staff exempted than Peterson and Kline combined.
Kline, who voted against the health care reform bill, has co-sponsored legislation to repeal the loophole, as well as the overall enabling legislation. “I’ll fight to eliminate this outrageous carve-out and ensure no member or congressional staffer gets a better deal than the American people,” Kline said in a statement.

The devil is in the details. When liberals tell YOU that something they are passing is just going to be utopia but they put in a loophole where they can opt out, you know they are LYING to you.

How do you know a Democrat/liberal is lying? Their lips are moving.

:doubt:
Sign me up for the class action lawsuit.
 

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You guys need to do a bit more research than just talking points.

Yes, a loophole exists that exempts a number of commitee staffers from purchasing their insurance from an exchange. The point that everyone seems to be missing is that congressional staffers are the ONLY people mandated by this bill to buy their insurance from the exchange.

Yes, the loophole is unfair. But only to the other congressional staffers - you or I are NOT mandated to buy insurance through an exchange.

PolitiFact | Health bill appears to exempt some congressional staff
 

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You guys need to do a bit more research than just talking points.

Yes, a loophole exists that exempts a number of commitee staffers from purchasing their insurance from an exchange. The point that everyone seems to be missing is that congressional staffers are the ONLY people mandated by this bill to buy their insurance from the exchange.

Yes, the loophole is unfair. But only to the other congressional staffers - you or I are NOT mandated to buy insurance through an exchange.

PolitiFact | Health bill appears to exempt some congressional staff
last I heard all congressmen get to keep their government Cadillac health care. They should lose theirs too and go on the universal plan they've crafted.

BTW, watch Massoftwoshits' Romneycare. They are us only 3 years out.
 

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You guys need to do a bit more research than just talking points.

Yes, a loophole exists that exempts a number of commitee staffers from purchasing their insurance from an exchange. The point that everyone seems to be missing is that congressional staffers are the ONLY people mandated by this bill to buy their insurance from the exchange.

Yes, the loophole is unfair. But only to the other congressional staffers - you or I are NOT mandated to buy insurance through an exchange.

PolitiFact | Health bill appears to exempt some congressional staff
last I heard all congressmen get to keep their government Cadillac health care. They should lose theirs too and go on the universal plan they've crafted.

BTW, watch Massoftwoshits' Romneycare. They are us only 3 years out.

Seriously, you guys need to update your talking points..

THERE IS NO GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE PLAN IN THE BILL.

None at all.

Also, the ONLY people in the bill who are mandated to buy coverage from a health care exchange are members of Congress and their staffers - so you fail twice.

Heathcare Bill said:
"The only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are — (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act)."
 

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right... keep selling that. Government controlled exchanges is not really government run. And price controls won't put the private companies out of business. Like they are in MA.

Whatta lark.
 

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right... keep selling that. Government controlled exchanges is not really government run. And price controls won't put the private companies out of business. Like they are in MA.

Whatta lark.

So you managed to ignore the fact that your statement was proven wrong. Congressman are NOT exempt - in fact they're the only ones who are required to buy from an exchange.

BTW, the "government controlled" exchange that you speak of is a marketplace where various private insurance plans compete with a number of different priced plans, with different benefits.

Sounds more like free market capitalism than "socialism".
 
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And just think....if it were not for the Repugnant Party, there would be NO mandates.

Nice of you to put that in your post.

What??????????

Please try in your fevered imagination to justify that post?

:lol:
 
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Loophole Lets Dozens of Minnesota Congressional Staff Opt Out of Key Health Care Reform Requirement - Big Government

Now isn't that interesting that they have a loophole that their staff doesn't have to go on Obamacare.

If Obamacare is sooooooooooooooooooo wonderful, why give an opt out for your "elite" staff.

Wouldn't that staff be clammoring to be on Obamacare if it's so great?

According to a Freedom Foundation of Minnesota (FFM) review of the state congressional delegation’s committee assignments, it appears that 115 committee staff of Congressmen James Oberstar, Collin Peterson and John Kline might be able to opt out of the requirement to purchase their health coverage through new state-run insurance exchanges. 


“Forcing millions of Americans into government-run exchanges while exempting high-level staffers is the height of Washington arrogance,” Congressman John Kline told FFM. “If it’s good enough for Americans on Main Street, it ought to be good enough for Democrats’ favored staff members.”


While members of Congress and their personal office staff must participate in state insurance exchanges under the new health care reform law, language tucked away in Section 1312 of the 2,076 page bill appears to let hundreds of committee and leadership staff in the House and Senate off the hook and keep their current federal coverage.



A Congressional Research Service analysis obtained by FFM and distributed to Members of Congress and staff indicates that appears to be the case. The 13 page document titled “The Patient Protection and Affordability Care Act, and Its Potential Impact on Members of Congress and Congressional Staff” says the bill’s vague wording apparently leaves out committee staff and party leaders’ staff, as well as other capitol employees. The bottom line: the committee and political staff in the House and Senate who crafted the health care reform legislation can evidently keep their personal health care plans.



Eighteen-term Congressman Oberstar, one of the most powerful committee chairmen in the House and supporter of the health care reform bill, has more committee staff exempted than Peterson and Kline combined.
Kline, who voted against the health care reform bill, has co-sponsored legislation to repeal the loophole, as well as the overall enabling legislation. “I’ll fight to eliminate this outrageous carve-out and ensure no member or congressional staffer gets a better deal than the American people,” Kline said in a statement.

The devil is in the details. When liberals tell YOU that something they are passing is just going to be utopia but they put in a loophole where they can opt out, you know they are LYING to you.

How do you know a Democrat/liberal is lying? Their lips are moving.

:doubt:
Sign me up for the class action lawsuit.

My state (Run by Democrats, dammit) have opted out of the states leading the law suit.

Pisses me off. I wish I knew a way to start a movement to force my state to get in on the law suit.

The only way I see is VOTE IN MORE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS AND GET RID OF THESE DAMN DEMOCRATS IN OHIO.

We also need to get rid of the RINOs like Voinivich. I want to see them both gone. Democrats and RINOs.
 
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You guys need to do a bit more research than just talking points.

Yes, a loophole exists that exempts a number of commitee staffers from purchasing their insurance from an exchange. The point that everyone seems to be missing is that congressional staffers are the ONLY people mandated by this bill to buy their insurance from the exchange.

Yes, the loophole is unfair. But only to the other congressional staffers - you or I are NOT mandated to buy insurance through an exchange.

PolitiFact | Health bill appears to exempt some congressional staff

Yeah BS!

There would not be a loophole in the first place allowing staffers to opt out, IF the law were not compulsory.

Why need a loophole if the bill is voluntary?

You want to try that double talk again?

:lol::lol::lol:
 

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Loophole Lets Dozens of Minnesota Congressional Staff Opt Out of Key Health Care Reform Requirement - Big Government

Now isn't that interesting that they have a loophole that their staff doesn't have to go on Obamacare.

If Obamacare is sooooooooooooooooooo wonderful, why give an opt out for your "elite" staff.

Wouldn't that staff be clammoring to be on Obamacare if it's so great?

According to a Freedom Foundation of Minnesota (FFM) review of the state congressional delegation’s committee assignments, it appears that 115 committee staff of Congressmen James Oberstar, Collin Peterson and John Kline might be able to opt out of the requirement to purchase their health coverage through new state-run insurance exchanges. 


“Forcing millions of Americans into government-run exchanges while exempting high-level staffers is the height of Washington arrogance,” Congressman John Kline told FFM. “If it’s good enough for Americans on Main Street, it ought to be good enough for Democrats’ favored staff members.”


While members of Congress and their personal office staff must participate in state insurance exchanges under the new health care reform law, language tucked away in Section 1312 of the 2,076 page bill appears to let hundreds of committee and leadership staff in the House and Senate off the hook and keep their current federal coverage.



A Congressional Research Service analysis obtained by FFM and distributed to Members of Congress and staff indicates that appears to be the case. The 13 page document titled “The Patient Protection and Affordability Care Act, and Its Potential Impact on Members of Congress and Congressional Staff” says the bill’s vague wording apparently leaves out committee staff and party leaders’ staff, as well as other capitol employees. The bottom line: the committee and political staff in the House and Senate who crafted the health care reform legislation can evidently keep their personal health care plans.


Eighteen-term Congressman Oberstar, one of the most powerful committee chairmen in the House and supporter of the health care reform bill, has more committee staff exempted than Peterson and Kline combined.
Kline, who voted against the health care reform bill, has co-sponsored legislation to repeal the loophole, as well as the overall enabling legislation. “I’ll fight to eliminate this outrageous carve-out and ensure no member or congressional staffer gets a better deal than the American people,” Kline said in a statement.

The devil is in the details. When liberals tell YOU that something they are passing is just going to be utopia but they put in a loophole where they can opt out, you know they are LYING to you.

How do you know a Democrat/liberal is lying? Their lips are moving.

:doubt:

This has all been a dead giveaway on how messed up Obamacare is.

Almost every bribe that was used to get votes from Democrats [that didn't want to rubber-stamp that monstrosity] was special exclusionary language included in the bill exempting the official's state.

The CBO never got all of the expenses from Congress so billions of dollars were left out. They could only assess what they were given. So this turkey is gonna be a massive burden on everyone.
 
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right... keep selling that. Government controlled exchanges is not really government run. And price controls won't put the private companies out of business. Like they are in MA.

Whatta lark.

So you managed to ignore the fact that your statement was proven wrong. Congressman are NOT exempt - in fact they're the only ones who are required to buy from an exchange.

BTW, the "government controlled" exchange that you speak of is a marketplace where various private insurance plans compete with a number of different priced plans, with different benefits.

Sounds more like free market capitalism than "socialism".


Excuse me but the only one controlling those insurance companies NOW is the government NOT the market.

It does so deliberately to put them out of business.

And the reason being, they the government will be "forced" to provide healthcare.

"Oh gee, I guess the market place doesn't work, I guess we will have to offer that government healthcare."

This is all by design.

Kill the thread my butt.

:lol::lol::lol:
 

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Excuse me but the only one controlling those insurance companies NOW is the government NOT the market.

Insuracne companies have had to petition the state governments to up their premiums all along, TP.

So the market forces you apparently thought were in play?

They really weren't.

Not that I love this bill, or Obama's adim generally, but you've been misinformed.
 

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You guys need to do a bit more research than just talking points.

Yes, a loophole exists that exempts a number of commitee staffers from purchasing their insurance from an exchange. The point that everyone seems to be missing is that congressional staffers are the ONLY people mandated by this bill to buy their insurance from the exchange.

Yes, the loophole is unfair. But only to the other congressional staffers - you or I are NOT mandated to buy insurance through an exchange.

PolitiFact | Health bill appears to exempt some congressional staff

Yeah BS!

There would not be a loophole in the first place allowing staffers to opt out, IF the law were not compulsory.

Why need a loophole if the bill is voluntary?

You want to try that double talk again?

:lol::lol::lol:

Read the damn bill.

Cause you're wrong.
 

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right... keep selling that. Government controlled exchanges is not really government run. And price controls won't put the private companies out of business. Like they are in MA.

Whatta lark.

So you managed to ignore the fact that your statement was proven wrong. Congressman are NOT exempt - in fact they're the only ones who are required to buy from an exchange.

BTW, the "government controlled" exchange that you speak of is a marketplace where various private insurance plans compete with a number of different priced plans, with different benefits.

Sounds more like free market capitalism than "socialism".


Excuse me but the only one controlling those insurance companies NOW is the government NOT the market.

It does so deliberately to put them out of business.

And the reason being, they the government will be "forced" to provide healthcare.

"Oh gee, I guess the market place doesn't work, I guess we will have to offer that government healthcare."

This is all by design.

Kill the thread my butt.

:lol::lol::lol:

So.... Since I killed your OP, you're moving the goalposts. Ok.
 

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