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[Hollie]

Exactly.. That is a NATURAL state of organization for the people of that region. They have NEVER been united under a common set of rules, laws or representation.

Indeed, it is the US that imposed that government. That government is the root of the Palestinian division.

Indeed, the Arab-Moslem terrorist huggers find a convenient excuse for Arab-Moslem incompetence in I blame the Great Satan®

 

[P F Tinmore]

Germany and Japan. During the occupation of both, the stability that resulted in a cooperative effort with the occupation population

Their occupation was not a settler colonialist project.

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, et al,

Germany and Japan. During the occupation of both, the stability that resulted in a cooperative effort with the occupation population (the Arab Palestinians never cooperated on any political matter relative to nation building) created the most powerful industrial power in all of Europe. The Allied Powers were able to stabilize German much quicker and to a self-sufficient degree that, the period of Occupation was significantly reduced. The destruction Germany suffered by the end of the War, was many, many more times devistating than anything the former territory to which the Mandate applied experienced.

Rocco, do you have an example of a "government" that was "functional" while the land and people it was supposed to be governing were under foreign military occupation?

(COMMENT)
The Occupation by the Allied Powers was many more time invasive in Germany then was that endured by the Arab Palestinians. For example in the British Zone of Occupation, the German State of Hamberg was re-established; as well as the German states of Schleswig-Holstein was created. I arrived on my first European CI Assignment two days after the Red Army Faction -/- Baader-Meinhof Gang bombed the Rotunda Area of V Corps HQ in the IG Farben Building. That was 1976, and we were still there (V Corps and VII Corps).

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In terms of growth, you can see just how well the two formerly occupied territories did. There are special circumstances for the accelerated rise for Japan. But for having suffering huge fire bombing raids and to cities complete destroyed, they furnished as well.

Since the start of the Group of Six Countries (1974, initial meeting in 1975) or G6 Nations (now G20) the first members were the US, UK, France, Germany, Japan and Italy. You can see that Germany and Japan were well established and leaders in the community of Industrialized Nations. While it would have been unreasonable to expect the same degree of success in the Middle East, they could have accelerated well. But it wasn't in the nature of the Arabs in the surrounding territories to Israel, to work that hard. Nor was it in the character to cooperation on Nation Building enterprises that were popular at the time. However, the Jewish Agency did capitalize on the potential and did economically, Industrially, and scientifically benefit as a result; just as Germany and Japan did.

Allied-occupied Germany

Military governors and commissioners
American Zone
Military governors

May 8, 1945 – November 10, 1945 Dwight D. EisenhowerNovember 11, 1945 – November 25, 1945 George S. Patton (acting)
November 26, 1945 – January 5, 1947
Joseph T. McNarney January 6,
1947 – May 14, 1949 Lucius D. Clay
May 15, 1949 – September 1, 1949 Clarence R. Huebner (acting)​

High commissioners

1. 
   
   
   • September 2, 1949 – August 1, 1952 John J. McCloy
   • August 1, 1952 – December 11, 1952 Walter J. Donnelly
   • December 11, 1952 – February 10, 1953 Samuel Reber (acting)
   • February 10, 1953 – May 5, 1955 James Bryant Conant

British Zone
Military governors

1. 
   
   
   • May 22, 1945 – April 30, 1946 Field Marshal the Viscount Montgomery
   • May 1, 1946 – October 31, 1947 Air Chief Marshal Sir William Sholto Douglas (later Lord Douglas)
   • November 1, 1947 – September 21, 1949 General Sir Brian Hubert Robertson (later Lord Robertson)

High commissioners

1. 
   
   
   • September 21, 1949 – June 24, 1950 General Sir Brian Hubert Robertson
   • June 24, 1950 – September 29, 1953 Sir Ivone Kirkpatrick
   • September 29, 1953 – May 5, 1955 Sir Frederick Hoyer Millar (later Lord Inchyra)

French Zone
Military commander
May 1945 – July 1945 Army General Jean de Lattre de Tassigny
Military governor
July 1945 – September 21, 1949 Army General Marie Pierre Kœnig
High commissioner
September 21, 1949 – May 5, 1955 André François-Poncet
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Most Respectfully,
R

The allies did not transfer their populations to Japan and Germany and both countries were sovereign within a few years, totally absurd comparison.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, P F Tinmore, et al,

You guys just kill me. There are very few (if any) historical combat engagements or major long term events between belligerents that are replicated. But there are many that have similarities.

Germany and Japan. During the occupation of both, the stability that resulted in a cooperative effort with the occupation population

Their occupation was not a settler colonialist project.

(COMMENT)

It does not really matter what the initial conditions are at the decisive conclusion of hostilities and the transitioning into "occupation."

Whether you want to call it a colonial project (as in establishing networked settlements) --- or --- the peaceful immigration facilitated by the government holding the rights and title to the territory, the point is that the cooperation by the belligerents reaps more positive results (as in the case of the Jewish Settlers) then does a total lack of cooperation by a belligerent (greedy Arab Palestinians) that results in negative results and very little progress (economically, commercially, industrially, academically, and scientifically) in the mutual benefit of the opposing cultures (one negative and one positive).

The point at which the government (holding the rights and title to the territory) can no longer reasonably set the conditions for --- and achieve positive success of the population of two different dimensions in culture, then it becomes an encounter in which the faction that has the greatest probability for success will succeed. It is a very rare occassion that all the parties of influence over the outcome will be content with the outcome.

Of the belligerents, the one that will consistently be less successful (possibly a failed state) will be the culture that promotes political tantrums -- believing their culture is entitled to get their own way. They are the squeaky wheel that craves attention in the hopes that a superior entity will eventually come to their rescue. This cultural behavior reflects a deep-seated lack (at the generational level) of self-worth and (cultural level) self-confidence.

All these factors and the level of cooperation contribute to the failure of the Arab Palestinians to make a working state for its people.

The allies did not transfer their populations to Japan and Germany and both countries were sovereign within a few years, totally absurd comparison.

(COMMENT)

That makes no difference. The transfer issue is not a development affecting a belligerents cooperation with the Occupation Force. It is merely an excuse. One of many excuse developed over time. But it does not show any effort other the Arab Palestinians part to help their own

••• Authorized Immigration prior to 1948 should have had no impact on cooperation.
••• Settlements made into Area "C" (Israeli has full authority) should have had no impact on cooperation.
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Most Respectfully,
R​

 

[montelatici]

There is no peaceful immigration when there are native people living on the land that is planned to be colonized. It is called an invasion. Rocco, grow up.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

That is your problem.

There is no peaceful immigration when there are native people living on the land that is planned to be colonized. It is called an invasion. Rocco, grow up.

(COMMENT)

What you need to understand is that the Jewish People did not mount and invasion. I was a peaceful immigration.

Invasion is a military maneuver.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

Of course the Zionists mounted the invasion, that the British militarily supported it is does not change the fact that it was an invasion.

 

[P F Tinmore]

All these factors and the level of cooperation contribute to the failure of the Arab Palestinians to make a working state for its people.

What a silly statement. There never was going to Palestinian state. The Zionists have always wanted all of Palestine without the Palestinians.

Settler colonialism is the replacement of the native population with foreign settlers. You are going to get the boot anyway, faster if you cooperate. The Zionists are still working on that goal as we speak.

BTW, what do you get out of pimping for Israel?

Just curious.

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

That is your problem.

There is no peaceful immigration when there are native people living on the land that is planned to be colonized. It is called an invasion. Rocco, grow up.

(COMMENT)

What you need to understand is that the Jewish People did not mount and invasion. I was a peaceful immigration.

Invasion is a military maneuver.

Most Respectfully,
R

Of course it was a military invasion. They just mooched Britain's military.

 

[member]

Let me preface this by saying that, in my opinion, the two-state solution is dead. However, the members of the Security Council, including the U.S., support the two-state solution as the only solution that can insure that Israel remains a Jewish state and democratic.

The resolution received a unanimous vote and one abstention because the members of the UNSC believed that the continued building of settlements will make a two-state solution impossible to achieve. From that perspective you can see that the UNSC could not vote in any other way. Had they voted otherwise, it would have been an admission that the two-state solution is dead.

". . .as the only solution that can insure that Israel remains a Jewish state and democratic."





..sounds better than many of these other places:

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[Phoenall]

Rocco, do you have an example of a "government" that was "functional" while the land and people it was supposed to be governing were under foreign military occupation?

Interesting question about "government". It's a bit of a stretch to apply that term to the competing franchises of Islamic Terrorism Intl., Inc in Gaza and the West Bank. I suspect that most folks envision the role of responsible government as a public trust that will provide safety and security for the governed, will attend to civil affairs, provide community services, promote the well being of those governed, etc.

Those attributes simply don't apply to the competing Islamic terrorist organizations in the Arab-Moslem dystopias of Gaza and the West Bank.

The so called Palestinian Authority was imposed on the Palestinians at the point of a gun

And you have a link to show this is a fact do you, not your usual video either but an unbiased source

 

[Phoenall]

Germany and Japan. During the occupation of both, the stability that resulted in a cooperative effort with the occupation population

Their occupation was not a settler colonialist project.

But the attempted islamonazi one of palestine was

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

Germany and Japan. During the occupation of both, the stability that resulted in a cooperative effort with the occupation population (the Arab Palestinians never cooperated on any political matter relative to nation building) created the most powerful industrial power in all of Europe. The Allied Powers were able to stabilize German much quicker and to a self-sufficient degree that, the period of Occupation was significantly reduced. The destruction Germany suffered by the end of the War, was many, many more times devistating than anything the former territory to which the Mandate applied experienced.

Rocco, do you have an example of a "government" that was "functional" while the land and people it was supposed to be governing were under foreign military occupation?

(COMMENT)
The Occupation by the Allied Powers was many more time invasive in Germany then was that endured by the Arab Palestinians. For example in the British Zone of Occupation, the German State of Hamberg was re-established; as well as the German states of Schleswig-Holstein was created. I arrived on my first European CI Assignment two days after the Red Army Faction -/- Baader-Meinhof Gang bombed the Rotunda Area of V Corps HQ in the IG Farben Building. That was 1976, and we were still there (V Corps and VII Corps).

View attachment 105636
​

In terms of growth, you can see just how well the two formerly occupied territories did. There are special circumstances for the accelerated rise for Japan. But for having suffering huge fire bombing raids and to cities complete destroyed, they furnished as well.

Since the start of the Group of Six Countries (1974, initial meeting in 1975) or G6 Nations (now G20) the first members were the US, UK, France, Germany, Japan and Italy. You can see that Germany and Japan were well established and leaders in the community of Industrialized Nations. While it would have been unreasonable to expect the same degree of success in the Middle East, they could have accelerated well. But it wasn't in the nature of the Arabs in the surrounding territories to Israel, to work that hard. Nor was it in the character to cooperation on Nation Building enterprises that were popular at the time. However, the Jewish Agency did capitalize on the potential and did economically, Industrially, and scientifically benefit as a result; just as Germany and Japan did.

Allied-occupied Germany

Military governors and commissioners
American Zone
Military governors

May 8, 1945 – November 10, 1945 Dwight D. EisenhowerNovember 11, 1945 – November 25, 1945 George S. Patton (acting)
November 26, 1945 – January 5, 1947
Joseph T. McNarney January 6,
1947 – May 14, 1949 Lucius D. Clay
May 15, 1949 – September 1, 1949 Clarence R. Huebner (acting)​

High commissioners

1. 
   
   
   • September 2, 1949 – August 1, 1952 John J. McCloy
   • August 1, 1952 – December 11, 1952 Walter J. Donnelly
   • December 11, 1952 – February 10, 1953 Samuel Reber (acting)
   • February 10, 1953 – May 5, 1955 James Bryant Conant

British Zone
Military governors

1. 
   
   
   • May 22, 1945 – April 30, 1946 Field Marshal the Viscount Montgomery
   • May 1, 1946 – October 31, 1947 Air Chief Marshal Sir William Sholto Douglas (later Lord Douglas)
   • November 1, 1947 – September 21, 1949 General Sir Brian Hubert Robertson (later Lord Robertson)

High commissioners

1. 
   
   
   • September 21, 1949 – June 24, 1950 General Sir Brian Hubert Robertson
   • June 24, 1950 – September 29, 1953 Sir Ivone Kirkpatrick
   • September 29, 1953 – May 5, 1955 Sir Frederick Hoyer Millar (later Lord Inchyra)

French Zone
Military commander
May 1945 – July 1945 Army General Jean de Lattre de Tassigny
Military governor
July 1945 – September 21, 1949 Army General Marie Pierre Kœnig
High commissioner
September 21, 1949 – May 5, 1955 André François-Poncet
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Most Respectfully,
R

The allies did not transfer their populations to Japan and Germany and both countries were sovereign within a few years, totally absurd comparison.

Strange then that the population of both nations increased in line with the influx of allied migrants

 

[Phoenall]

There is no peaceful immigration when there are native people living on the land that is planned to be colonized. It is called an invasion. Rocco, grow up.

Which is what the arab muslim illegals took part in, at least 4 times since 1948

 

[Phoenall]

All these factors and the level of cooperation contribute to the failure of the Arab Palestinians to make a working state for its people.

What a silly statement. There never was going to Palestinian state. The Zionists have always wanted all of Palestine without the Palestinians.

Settler colonialism is the replacement of the native population with foreign settlers. You are going to get the boot anyway, faster if you cooperate. The Zionists are still working on that goal as we speak.

BTW, what do you get out of pimping for Israel?

Just curious.

Then why does Jordan exist, as that is part of palestine. And as you have been shown the original palestinians are the Jews/Zionists so why would they want to replace themselves ?

More to the point what do you get for pimpipig for islamonazi terrorism and violence ?

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

That is your problem.

There is no peaceful immigration when there are native people living on the land that is planned to be colonized. It is called an invasion. Rocco, grow up.

(COMMENT)

What you need to understand is that the Jewish People did not mount and invasion. I was a peaceful immigration.

Invasion is a military maneuver.

Most Respectfully,
R

Of course it was a military invasion. They just mooched Britain's military.

So what was it in 1850 when the Ottomans invited the Jews to migrate and colonise the lands ?

Which nation supported and bankrolled the alleged invasion ?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not sure who is the most amusing; you or me?

All these factors and the level of cooperation contribute to the failure of the Arab Palestinians to make a working state for its people.

What a silly statement. There never was going to Palestinian state. The Zionists have always wanted all of Palestine without the Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

What the "Zionist" want and what the "Zionist" get are two different achievements! Most importantly, what the Arab Palestinians want, and what the "Zionist" want --- are, in the case, confrontational, only because you have defined it that way. Not because it is actually that way. The Arab Palestinians are motivationally retarded by their own misdirection.

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There is this Generalized Theory called Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs which is one derivative of the Drive Theory of Motivation. It's application here is simple. The contemporary Arab Palestinian People of today are motivated to take certain actions in order to reduce the internal tension and disappointment that is caused by unmet needs. Their perception is that if they achieve some measure of increased autonomy, their lives and well being will be improved. As exemplars, this is what the People of Iran felt, and what motivated the People of the DAESH (ISIS). It was, in part, the spark that was behind the "Arab Spring."

You will find this motivational based drive theory is very useful in explaining behaviors that have a strong biological components and generationally passed aggression, such as as we see in the Gaza Strip and West Bank --- pasted from parent to children, and taught in schools and summer camps. The problem with the drive theory of motivation is that these behaviors are not always motivated purely by physiological needs. For example, Arab Palestinians often spontaneously create a crowd to incite civil unrest and disorder even when they are not really in any new pain or need. All successful peoples and cultures share in this drive and determination. But in the Middle East spectrum of drive and determination, the extreme right is marked by this enjoyment to ruthless obsession. In our case, this is characterized by unfocused need to direct "Harm and injury solely against the Israeli, the Occupation Power, as opposed to the exploitation of that Power to achieve benefits for the citizenry.

NOW, are all Arab Palestinians focused in this way? (Rhetorical) --- NO! There are a surprising number of personalities driven in the pursuit of personal power and wealth; with a vast number willing to follow. The

The Arab Palestinian cannot seem to adopt proven strategies, single minded focus, and a strong sense of direction, to move towards activities that better advance the culture and improve the society.

“There are many advantages to powerful determination and a strong sense of direction. The sense of direction urges action. The sense of direction shapes the action. The sense of direction allows the value of the action to be assessed: has it got me nearer to my goal? The sense of direction allows all judgments and decisions to be made more easily: does this help me toward my goal or does this hinder me? Most people in their ordinary lives lack such a strong sense of value when taking a decision. Most people may have to take into account a soup of different factors such as family, health, enjoyment, career, etc., when making a decision. The strongly-success oriented person only takes into account one thing: the path to success.” (SOURCE: From the Book Tactics: The Art and Science of Success – by Edward De Bono)
​

There are a vast number of Arab Palestinians that have poisoned themselves. This is not unlike the First Emperor of China drinking Mercury as a cure for a long life, but actually giving Heavy Metal Poisoning. The Arab Palestinians, like the First Emperor, embarked on a path that achieve the exact opposite of the desired effect (the satisfaction, development, peace and security). And like the First Emperor --- it is unlikely that the Arab Palestinian will recognize they are on the wrong path until they get to the end.

Settler colonialism is the replacement of the native population with foreign settlers. You are going to get the boot anyway, faster if you cooperate. The Zionists are still working on that goal as we speak.

(COMMENT)

Again, the is the generalized thinking derives from the generational poisoning. The Arab Palestinians must direct some of their energies towards the adoption of strategies of people with determination and drive to improve their success as a nation. Not towards Jihad and Armed Struggle as HAMAS and FATAH consistently promote.

BTW, what do you get out of pimping for Israel?

Just curious.

(ANSWER)

This is merely a shrewd attack on the character of my presentation; as opposed to the actual content. The idea that I am a person who promotes or advances a particular theme or cause is a case of misdirection.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not sure who is the most amusing; you or me?

All these factors and the level of cooperation contribute to the failure of the Arab Palestinians to make a working state for its people.

What a silly statement. There never was going to Palestinian state. The Zionists have always wanted all of Palestine without the Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

What the "Zionist" want and what the "Zionist" get are two different achievements! Most importantly, what the Arab Palestinians want, and what the "Zionist" want --- are, in the case, confrontational, only because you have defined it that way. Not because it is actually that way. The Arab Palestinians are motivationally retarded by their own misdirection.

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There is this Generalized Theory called Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs which is one derivative of the Drive Theory of Motivation. It's application here is simple. The contemporary Arab Palestinian People of today are motivated to take certain actions in order to reduce the internal tension and disappointment that is caused by unmet needs. Their perception is that if they achieve some measure of increased autonomy, their lives and well being will be improved. As exemplars, this is what the People of Iran felt, and what motivated the People of the DAESH (ISIS). It was, in part, the spark that was behind the "Arab Spring."

You will find this motivational based drive theory is very useful in explaining behaviors that have a strong biological components and generationally passed aggression, such as as we see in the Gaza Strip and West Bank --- pasted from parent to children, and taught in schools and summer camps. The problem with the drive theory of motivation is that these behaviors are not always motivated purely by physiological needs. For example, Arab Palestinians often spontaneously create a crowd to incite civil unrest and disorder even when they are not really in any new pain or need. All successful peoples and cultures share in this drive and determination. But in the Middle East spectrum of drive and determination, the extreme right is marked by this enjoyment to ruthless obsession. In our case, this is characterized by unfocused need to direct "Harm and injury solely against the Israeli, the Occupation Power, as opposed to the exploitation of that Power to achieve benefits for the citizenry.

NOW, are all Arab Palestinians focused in this way? (Rhetorical) --- NO! There are a surprising number of personalities driven in the pursuit of personal power and wealth; with a vast number willing to follow. The

The Arab Palestinian cannot seem to adopt proven strategies, single minded focus, and a strong sense of direction, to move towards activities that better advance the culture and improve the society.

“There are many advantages to powerful determination and a strong sense of direction. The sense of direction urges action. The sense of direction shapes the action. The sense of direction allows the value of the action to be assessed: has it got me nearer to my goal? The sense of direction allows all judgments and decisions to be made more easily: does this help me toward my goal or does this hinder me? Most people in their ordinary lives lack such a strong sense of value when taking a decision. Most people may have to take into account a soup of different factors such as family, health, enjoyment, career, etc., when making a decision. The strongly-success oriented person only takes into account one thing: the path to success.” (SOURCE: From the Book Tactics: The Art and Science of Success – by Edward De Bono)
​

There are a vast number of Arab Palestinians that have poisoned themselves. This is not unlike the First Emperor of China drinking Mercury as a cure for a long life, but actually giving Heavy Metal Poisoning. The Arab Palestinians, like the First Emperor, embarked on a path that achieve the exact opposite of the desired effect (the satisfaction, development, peace and security). And like the First Emperor --- it is unlikely that the Arab Palestinian will recognize they are on the wrong path until they get to the end.

Settler colonialism is the replacement of the native population with foreign settlers. You are going to get the boot anyway, faster if you cooperate. The Zionists are still working on that goal as we speak.

(COMMENT)

Again, the is the generalized thinking derives from the generational poisoning. The Arab Palestinians must direct some of their energies towards the adoption of strategies of people with determination and drive to improve their success as a nation. Not towards Jihad and Armed Struggle as HAMAS and FATAH consistently promote.

BTW, what do you get out of pimping for Israel?

Just curious.

(ANSWER)

This is merely a shrewd attack on the character of my presentation; as opposed to the actual content. The idea that I am a person who promotes or advances a particular theme or cause is a case of misdirection.

Most Respectfully,
R

Holy smokescreen, Batman.

All of that just because the Palestinians reject the Zionist's settler colonial project in Palestine.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You say this as if the misinterpretation were true.

All of that just because the Palestinians reject the Zionist's settler colonial project in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

You are implying that the population of the former Enemy Occupied Territory Administration, those with NO title and rights to the territory under Mandate, had the right to "reject" the encourage and facilitated immigration of Jewish people under the authority of the Allied Powers.

The Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic renounced all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories to the Allied Powers. NOT to the population of the former Enemy Occupied Territory Administration.

In April 1920, when, at the San Remo Conference, the decision was to place the Mandate, the inhabitance (Arab Palestinians) were under the authority of the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration.

(IN FUTURE)

You should make the distinction between matters of Diplomacy in which the Arab Palestinian a party to the deliberations (which are very few).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You say this as if the misinterpretation were true.

All of that just because the Palestinians reject the Zionist's settler colonial project in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

You are implying that the population of the former Enemy Occupied Territory Administration, those with NO title and rights to the territory under Mandate, had the right to "reject" the encourage and facilitated immigration of Jewish people under the authority of the Allied Powers.

The Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic renounced all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories to the Allied Powers. NOT to the population of the former Enemy Occupied Territory Administration.

In April 1920, when, at the San Remo Conference, the decision was to place the Mandate, the inhabitance (Arab Palestinians) were under the authority of the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration.

(IN FUTURE)

You should make the distinction between matters of Diplomacy in which the Arab Palestinian a party to the deliberations (which are very few).

Most Respectfully,
R

Rights are inherent. They are not handed out by people of power.