Hr 3962 passes!

The sky is falling.
We better pass a healthcare bill. :lol:

Wait, it's not falling till 2013, when the health care bill will finally take effect.:lol::lol::lol:

Exactly.

The Barry will tax the shit out of Americans starting on January 1st, 2010 to pay off his current 1.7 trillion dollar budget deficit and then in 2013..WE ALL GET BENT OVER AND FUCKED BY THIS BULLSHIT GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE SCHEME. In the mean time he gets to say "Look...I reduced the budget deficit to zero...re-elect me!!!!"

Remember this post in 2012.

America is about to get screwed by The Barry......the biggest con ever perpetrated on the citizens of the United States is about to take place unless we all write our Senators and stop it. We already know they don't care about anything but their jobs so threaten to vote them out if they pass this socialist scheme aimed at taking more freedoms away from us.
 
Betsy McCaughey: What the Pelosi Health Care Bill Really Says - WSJ.com

The health bill that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is bringing to a vote (H.R. 3962) is 1,990 pages. Here are some of the details you need to know.

What the government will require you to do:

• Sec. 202 (p. 91-92) of the bill requires you to enroll in a "qualified plan." If you get your insurance at work, your employer will have a "grace period" to switch you to a "qualified plan," meaning a plan designed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services. If you buy your own insurance, there's no grace period. You'll have to enroll in a qualified plan as soon as any term in your contract changes, such as the co-pay, deductible or benefit.

In other words, the fucking government is making your choices for you. So much for freedom of choice

• Sec. 224 (p. 118) provides that 18 months after the bill becomes law, the Secretary of Health and Human Services will decide what a "qualified plan" covers and how much you'll be legally required to pay for it. That's like a banker telling you to sign the loan agreement now, then filling in the interest rate and repayment terms 18 months later

So some government appointee is now making your health decisions for you. And the bill was passed without even knowing what the term "acceptable" means.

Well folks "acceptable" means a policy that covers all kinds of shit you might not need like substance abuse treatment and mental health counseling. So it will be more not less than you are paying now if you have no use for these coverages.
On Nov. 2, the Congressional Budget Office estimated what the plans will likely cost. An individual earning $44,000 before taxes who purchases his own insurance will have to pay a $5,300 premium and an estimated $2,000 in out-of-pocket expenses, for a total of $7,300 a year, which is 17% of his pre-tax income. A family earning $102,100 a year before taxes will have to pay a $15,000 premium plus an estimated $5,300 out-of-pocket, for a $20,300 total, or 20% of its pre-tax income. Individuals and families earning less than these amounts will be eligible for subsidies paid directly to their insurer.

So 20% of my income will be taken from me to pay for insurance even if I can have less expensive insurance. 20% Are you serious? And no that won't cut into my retirement savings at all

• Sec. 303 (pp. 167-168) makes it clear that, although the "qualified plan" is not yet designed, it will be of the "one size fits all" variety. The bill claims to offer choice—basic, enhanced and premium levels—but the benefits are the same. Only the co-pays and deductibles differ. You will have to enroll in the same plan, whether the government is paying for it or you and your employer are footing the bill.

One size fits all is the fucking government's answer to everything.

• Sec. 59b (pp. 297-299) says that when you file your taxes, you must include proof that you are in a qualified plan. If not, you will be fined thousands of dollars. Illegal immigrants are exempt from this requirement.

Yeah let's give the IRS more power over the people Oh and BTW how many new government employees will have to be hired to oversee this abomination? And I bet that cost is not factored into the bill.

• Sec. 412 (p. 272) says that employers must provide a "qualified plan" for their employees and pay 72.5% of the cost, and a smaller share of family coverage, or incur an 8% payroll tax. Small businesses, with payrolls from $500,000 to $750,000, are fined less.

Well i will just have to find ways to keep my payroll under 500K won't I?

I already have opened a secondary company that might have to "hire" some of my employees.
Eviscerating Medicare:

In addition to reducing future Medicare funding by an estimated $500 billion, the bill fundamentally changes how Medicare pays doctors and hospitals, permitting the government to dictate treatment decisions.

• Sec. 1302 (pp. 672-692) moves Medicare from a fee-for-service payment system, in which patients choose which doctors to see and doctors are paid for each service they provide, toward what's called a "medical home."

The medical home is this decade's version of HMO-restrictions on care. A primary-care provider manages access to costly specialists and diagnostic tests for a flat monthly fee. The bill specifies that patients may have to settle for a nurse practitioner rather than a physician as the primary-care provider. Medical homes begin with demonstration projects, but the HHS secretary is authorized to "disseminate this approach rapidly on a national basis."

A December 2008 Congressional Budget Office report noted that "medical homes" were likely to resemble the unpopular gatekeepers of 20 years ago if cost control was a priority.

But no the government won't ration care. they'll just tell you that you have to see some nurse practitioner instead of a doctor.

• Sec. 1114 (pp. 391-393) replaces physicians with physician assistants in overseeing care for hospice patients.

And if you're dying, you don't even get a nurse practitioner, you get a physicians assistant.

• Secs. 1158-1160 (pp. 499-520) initiates programs to reduce payments for patient care to what it costs in the lowest cost regions of the country. This will reduce payments for care (and by implication the standard of care) for hospital patients in higher cost areas such as New York and Florida.

So if you live in a high cost of living area of the country, you will get less care not more.

• Sec. 1161 (pp. 520-545) cuts payments to Medicare Advantage plans (used by 20% of seniors). Advantage plans have warned this will result in reductions in optional benefits such as vision and dental care.

After all what do old people need teeth for and they certainly don't need glasses do they?

Maybe the government will buy millions of sets of identical dentures and eyeglasses of the same prescription and hand them out as a "benefit" and then fine the old folks if they don't wear them.
• Sec. 1402 (p. 756) says that the results of comparative effectiveness research conducted by the government will be delivered to doctors electronically to guide their use of "medical items and services.
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So now the government will be privy to my medical records via electronic monitoring and "guidance" of my doctor's decisions. So much for government not rationing care.

Questionable Priorities:

While the bill will slash Medicare funding, it will also direct billions of dollars to numerous inner-city social work and diversity programs with vague standards of accountability
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These are some of those "other purposes" that have absolutely nothing to do with health care but we will pat for anyway.

• Sec. 399V (p. 1422) provides for grants to community "entities" with no required qualifications except having "documented community activity and experience with community healthcare workers" to "educate, guide, and provide experiential learning opportunities" aimed at drug abuse, poor nutrition, smoking and obesity. "Each community health worker program receiving funds under the grant will provide services in the cultural context most appropriate for the individual served by the program."

These programs will "enhance the capacity of individuals to utilize health services and health related social services under Federal, State and local programs by assisting individuals in establishing eligibility . . . and in receiving services and other benefits" including transportation and translation services.

Now tell me if no non citizens are to be covered, why do we need translators in the bill when a requirement of citizenship is that one speaks and reads English?

• Sec. 222 (p. 617) provides reimbursement for culturally and linguistically appropriate services. This program will train health-care workers to inform Medicare beneficiaries of their "right" to have an interpreter at all times and with no co-pays for language services.

ibid

• Secs. 2521 and 2533 (pp. 1379 and 1437) establishes racial and ethnic preferences in awarding grants for training nurses and creating secondary-school health science programs. For example, grants for nursing schools should "give preference to programs that provide for improving the diversity of new nurse graduates to reflect changes in the demographics of the patient population." And secondary-school grants should go to schools "graduating students from disadvantaged backgrounds including racial and ethnic minorities."

Ahh more affirmative action in medicine and I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that the quality of care will diminish because we are more worried about the ethnic and racial make up of the medical workforce that we are the quality of care.


Face it folks, this bill is a fucking abomination and it will cost us more than we are paying now and the government will have even more access to your lives and most private and personal information.

You thought the Patriot Bill was bad, just wait until some fat asses government bureaucrat is reading you medical records and "guiding" your doctor's decisions.

but it's for our own good right?



• Sec. 305 (p. 189) Provides for automatic Medicaid enrollment of newborns who do not otherwise have insurance.
 
• sec. 59b (pp. 297-299) says that when you file your taxes, you must include proof that you are in a qualified plan. If not, you will be fined thousands of dollars. illegal immigrants are exempt from this requirement.

What the FUCK is this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????
 
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• sec. 59b (pp. 297-299) says that when you file your taxes, you must include proof that you are in a qualified plan. If not, you will be fined thousands of dollars. illegal immigrants are exempt from this requirement.

What the FUCK is this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????

it means the fucking illegals won't be forced to buy insurance but we'll still be forced to pay for their health care. oh and we'll get fined and/or thrown in jail for not buying insurance and the fucking illegal will get free medical care and won't get deported.
 
What does it take to meet minority status, I want to begin planning so I can get in line early!

Mike

Hmm ...

1. Have a non-white skin coloring.

2. Have some uncommon religion or one that has been persecuted recently.

3. Be gay (that's new).

4. Be disabled.

It's funny, the "minority" groups actually make up the "majority" of the population.
 
• sec. 59b (pp. 297-299) says that when you file your taxes, you must include proof that you are in a qualified plan. If not, you will be fined thousands of dollars. illegal immigrants are exempt from this requirement.

What the FUCK is this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????

it means the fucking illegals won't be forced to buy insurance but we'll still be forced to pay for their health care. oh and we'll get fined and/or thrown in jail for not buying insurance and the fucking illegal will get free medical care and won't get deported.

So there will still be 17 million without healthcare.....Pelosi needs to go...along with the rest of the traitors who voted for this pile of shit!!!!!!!

I can't believe this is happening here in America!!!!!!
 

That is the cutest video.
With that being said, I'm happy to hear the bill passed. Now it just has to pass the Senate. :clap2:

Yea, that'll be fun.

Then, the big nice, warm, loving government will take care of us. It will tell us how to raise children (that's in the bill), what to eat (make sure you get your 5 a day), who gets what treatment (that's in the bill), etc. etc. etc.

All this and the opportunity to get our asses thrown in jail for non compliance. Yep, fabulous. Oh, and let's not forget that, without profit, there is no money for research so forget about developing cures for the diseases that blight the planet. But, hey, the government will take care of that too, right!

Fucking liberals and their need for nannying.
 
The United States is not "bankrupt" .

ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU TAKE A FUCKING LOOK AT THIS AND TELL HOW THE FUCK YOU FIGURE THAT??????!!!!!!!!!!!!

PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THE FIRST SPOT THAT SAYS...

US NATIONAL DEBT........

Do you owe any money on any credit card, or mortgage, or have ANY DEBT AT ALL? :cuckoo:

Maybe you should look up the meaning of the word, "bankrupt".
Bankrupt means you can no longer afford to pay your debtors, and so default on your loans.

In it's 220 years of history since the U.S. Constitution was formally accepted, the United States government has NEVER defaulted on a loan, period. The closest we ever came was back in the 1930s, when we went off the gold standard and some creditors got paid with paper dollars instead of gold.

As of RIGHT THIS FUCKING MINUTE, the United States is servicing it's debt, and is is NOT BANKRUPT. Get it?

Next.
 
The United States is not "bankrupt" .

ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU TAKE A FUCKING LOOK AT THIS AND TELL HOW THE FUCK YOU FIGURE THAT??????!!!!!!!!!!!!

PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THE FIRST SPOT THAT SAYS...

US NATIONAL DEBT........

Do you owe any money on any credit card, or mortgage, or have ANY DEBT AT ALL? :cuckoo:

Maybe you should look up the meaning of the word, "bankrupt".
Bankrupt means you can no longer afford to pay your debtors, and so default on your loans.

In it's 220 years of history since the U.S. Constitution was formally accepted, the United States government has NEVER defaulted on a loan, period. The closest we ever came was back in the 1930s, when we went off the gold standard and some creditors got paid with paper dollars instead of gold.

As of RIGHT THIS FUCKING MINUTE, the United States is servicing it's debt, and is is NOT BANKRUPT. Get it?

Next.

If the government was a business , it would have declared bankruptcy by now.

but don't forget that the government doesn't pay its obligations, we do.

And i don't know about you but I really can't afford to have the fucking government take any more of my income from me.
 
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU TAKE A FUCKING LOOK AT THIS AND TELL HOW THE FUCK YOU FIGURE THAT??????!!!!!!!!!!!!

PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THE FIRST SPOT THAT SAYS...

US NATIONAL DEBT........

Do you owe any money on any credit card, or mortgage, or have ANY DEBT AT ALL? :cuckoo:

Maybe you should look up the meaning of the word, "bankrupt".
Bankrupt means you can no longer afford to pay your debtors, and so default on your loans.

In it's 220 years of history since the U.S. Constitution was formally accepted, the United States government has NEVER defaulted on a loan, period. The closest we ever came was back in the 1930s, when we went off the gold standard and some creditors got paid with paper dollars instead of gold.

As of RIGHT THIS FUCKING MINUTE, the United States is servicing it's debt, and is is NOT BANKRUPT. Get it?

Next.

If the government was a business , it would have declared bankruptcy by now.

but don't forget that the government doesn't pay its obligations, we do.

And i don't know about you but I really can't afford to have the fucking government take any more of my income from me.

"Stand by for heavy rolls while the ship comes about!!!!"

You, me and every other working American will spend the next 4 years giving Obama another 20% on top of what we are paying in taxes right now for BarryCare that doesn't kick in until 2013....if this horseshit Bill passes.
 
here is a little speculation on my part.

If I will be paying 20% or more of my income to purchase health insurance as I believe I will if this abomination gets signed into law, why shouldn't I refuse to buy insurance and take the 2.5% tax penalty instead?

After all if no insurance company can deny me coverage if I am sick, I can save 17.5% of my income by not buying insurance until I am ill then I can drop it when I am well again.

If more of us figure this out, won't premiums rise even more?
 
here is a little speculation on my part.

If I will be paying 20% or more of my income to purchase health insurance as I believe I will if this abomination gets signed into law, why shouldn't I refuse to buy insurance and take the 2.5% tax penalty instead?

After all if no insurance company can deny me coverage if I am sick, I can save 17.5% of my income by not buying insurance until I am ill then I can drop it when I am well again.

If more of us figure this out, won't premiums rise even more?

I think you may have stumbled onto something here!!!:clap2: By the same token you will be paying for illegal alien healthcare...they get it for free in the House Bill
 
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