Zone1 How Would You React if your Religion were Proven False?

[BULLDOG]

The veracity of the Bible and personal experience

Is that all you have to offer someone ready and trying to determine the one true God?

 

[onefour1]

People who think we should have proof of things before we should act need to study and learn about the importance of faith. Here is a video on The Lectures on Faith so that you can understand faiths importance:

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

My personal religious experience trumps any argument that my faith is false. You would need to ask why those feel it necessary to try and disprove another's beliefs. Speculation is all the argument there is against a spiritual belief of another individual.

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It's called "FAITH" for a reason.

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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Really hate to break it to you but there is no ******* Sky Man and his bastard son is a lie. Religion is a form of mass hysteria.

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Says the left cultist.

Thanks for sharing your opinion.






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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Nothing ca n be proven false if you are unwilling to accept evidence to the contrary

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Kind of sounds like some leftist




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[Carl in Michigan]

For several months now, I have been watching videos published by an Islamic scholar named Jay Smith. His credentials are both unique and impressive, and he has made a lifetime campaign of challenging Islamic history, beliefs, and theology, often in direct debates with Islamic scholars.



In recent years it has come to light that the Mecca of the Quran simply did not exist; it came along much later, long after Mo-hammed had assumed room temperature. Not only is there no archaeological evidence to support its existence in the relevant time period (the Saudi government prohibits non-approved archaeologists snooping around Mecca), but no contemporaneous documents or evidence even mention its existence at the time of Mo-hammed. Further, the first biography of Mo-hammed himself doesn't appear until about 200 years after his traditional date of death, so it is sourced from exactly nobody who ever knew that personage, assuming that he actually did exist. Also, none of the early Islamic mosques is "pointed at" Mecca, as all later mosques are required to be, indicating that the first Muslims had no particular reverence for that city or location.

And as Smith always says, Islam is founded on a person, place, and time, and if any one of them falls apart, the whole thing falls apart (theologically).

In the U.S. we have a similar situation with the people who are commonly called the "Mormons." Their founder, Joe Smith, has been proven to be a self-aggrandizing fraud, who made up the Book of Mormon, filling it with a history that is proven false by both archaeology and DNA evidence. Many books have been written documenting the false and often preposterous teachings of Smith and his immediate successor, Brigham Young.

Judaism and Christianity are both largely based on FAITH, which by definition is unprovable, but they both have a lot of archaeological support, contemporaneous mentions in third party literature, and are mostly based on eye-witness accounts. Christianity and the basics of Judaism will never be disproven by science, unlike Islam and Mormonism.

So what do you do when your religion - the religion that you were brought up to believe - is disproven by science?

Can one say that few educated and intelligent Muslims and Mormons actually believe the shit that they hear in their religious services? Or would that be too cynical?

Regarding the title, I would CHANGE.
We're all gonna die. We only have a few short years here, and soon enough, we're gonna meet Him. Why live a lie?

 

[SweetSue92]

Is that all you have to offer someone ready and trying to determine the one true God?

Yes, and this is endorsed by Jesus Christ Himself:

“Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you."--Matthew 7:6

 

[Hafar1014]

Why Most Published Research Findings Are False - PMC

There is increasing concern that most current published research findings are false. The probability that a research claim is true may depend on study power and bias, the number of other studies on the same question, and, importantly, the ratio of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Much of research is a fraud by intent

Belief is based on faith in science we call that a hypothesis. But in science we try and prove it faith beliefs dont require proof

 

[Quantrill]

Is that all you have to offer someone ready and trying to determine the one true God?

It is the most that can be offered.

If one is trying to determine which god is true, one will not find the true God. If one is truly seeking God, then they will find Him.

If one is truly seeking God, it is God who has put that desire in them. And the true God will reveal Jesus Christ to them and they will believe.

(Matt. 16:13) " When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Phillippi, he asked his disciples saying Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?"

(Matt. 16:15) "...But whom say ye that I am?"

(Matt. 16:16) "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."

(Matt. 16:17) "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."

The answer to that question, 'who say ye that I am' will reveal if one is truly seeking God. The faith to see Christ as the Son of the living God, only comes from the Father.

(Eph. 2:8) "For by grace are yes saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"

Quantrill

 

[Hafar1014]

It is the most that can be offered.

If one is trying to determine which god is true, one will not find the true God. If one is truly seeking God, then they will find Him.

If one is truly seeking God, it is God who has put that desire in them. And the true God will reveal Jesus Christ to them and they will believe.

(Matt. 16:13) " When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Phillippi, he asked his disciples saying Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?"

(Matt. 16:15) "...But whom say ye that I am?"

(Matt. 16:16) "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."

(Matt. 16:17) "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."

The answer to that question, 'who say ye that I am' will reveal if one is truly seeking God. The faith to see Christ as the Son of the living God, only comes from the Father.

(Eph. 2:8) "For by grace are yes saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"

Quantrill

The flaw in your argument is what you mean is the one true religion and that cant be true. Thats a small minded statement of arrogance. There can be no one true religion only fanatics who think that way

 

[Quantrill]

The flaw in your argument is what you mean is the one true religion and that cant be true. Thats a small minded statement of arrogance. There can be no one true religion only fanatics who think that way

No, I said what I meant. I responded to post #(141) 'to determine the one true God?' My reply is post #(149).

You don't have to believe it, but don't try and tell me what I meant, which is nothing but what you think.

What makes it 'small minded and arrogant'? Did I misunderstand the Scriptures?

Quantrill

 

[Hafar1014]

No, I said what I meant. I responded to post #(141) 'to determine the one true God?' My reply is post #(149).

You don't have to believe it, but don't try and tell me what I meant, which is nothing but what you think.

What makes it 'small minded and arrogant'? Did I misunderstand the Scriptures?

Quantrill

All religions are true. If you think only yours is thats small mined and arrogant.

 

[Quantrill]

All religions are true. If you think only yours is thats small mined and arrogant.

Did I misunderstand the Scriptures?

Quantrill

 

[ding]

So what do you do when your religion - the religion that you were brought up to believe - is disproven by science?

Which part?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Science is based on Physcial evidence that proves a hypothesis true or false.

do you have faith in that going forward?

The same should apply to christianity.

like celebrity science it gets used and abused by those who need it to serve their own political/ideological views...is there a reason you limited this to christianity?

 

[Donald H]

There's living proof on this very board on how a reasonably intelligent Christian reacts to his religion being proven false.

First came anger and and flaming obscenities.

Then came resignation to the fact that he couldn't continue to live the bible's lies.

Now comes some alternate stories such as the god sending a meteorite to make a flood!

We have patience, as Christians are still in a learning and growing stage.

 

[norwegen]

There's living proof on this very board on how a reasonably intelligent Christian reacts to his religion being proven false.

First came anger and and flaming obscenities.

Then came resignation to the fact that he couldn't continue to live the bible's lies.

Now comes some alternate stories such as the god sending a meteorite to make a flood!

We have patience, as Christians are still in a learning and growing stage.

Begging your pardon, please, but what proves Christianity false?

 

[Donald H]

Begging your pardon, please, but what proves Christianity false?

It doesn't have to be that simple. With a little imagination it can be that which ding and I are teaching.

For example, the big fish and Jonah story doesn't need to be outright false. It can be amended to saying that he nearly drowned and his mind told him that a whale tried to swallow him, or something like that?

Do you understand the message in the story? Ask ding, he has our version down pat!

 

[ding]

It doesn't have to be that simple. With a little imagination it can be that which ding and I are teaching.

For example, the big fish and Jonah story doesn't need to be outright false. It can be amended to saying that he nearly drowned and his mind told him that a whale tried to swallow him, or something like that?

Do you understand the message in the story? Ask ding, he has our version down pat!

Christianity began immediately after Jesus rose from the dead.

 

[ding]

There's living proof on this very board on how a reasonably intelligent Christian reacts to his religion being proven false.

First came anger and and flaming obscenities.

Then came resignation to the fact that he couldn't continue to live the bible's lies.

Now comes some alternate stories such as the god sending a meteorite to make a flood!

We have patience, as Christians are still in a learning and growing stage.

You misspelled atheists.