Zone1 How Would You React if your Religion were Proven False?

[ding]

Begging your pardon, please, but what proves Christianity false?

That’s a good question. Don’t expect for Donald to be able to answer it.

 

[Donald H]

Christianity began immediately after Jesus rose from the dead.

So sayeth at least one of the versions!

 

[norwegen]

It doesn't have to be that simple. With a little imagination it can be that which ding and I are teaching.

For example, the big fish and Jonah story doesn't need to be outright false. It can be amended to saying that he nearly drowned and his mind told him that a whale tried to swallow him, or something like that?

Do you understand the message in the story? Ask ding, he has our version down pat!

The Jonah story may be a little more nuanced than, say, the creation and flood stories. Do I know every intention of these ancient tribal people? I don't think so. (Although I have my theories.)

But my question wasn't about these ancient tribal people and their wild stories. It wasn't about Judaism.

My question was about the last generations of these ancient tribal people and the circumstances - the actual events - that were inspiring them to forsake Moses. It was about Christianity.

It is the Christian, after all, whose religion you say can be proved false.

How so?

 

[ding]

So sayeth at least one of the versions!

So says history and common sense. But don’t let that freak you out.

 

[braalian]

While certain specific tenants can be disproven (ie “the earth is only 5k years old”) religions themselves cannot be disproven

 

[ding]

While certain specific tenants can be disproven (ie “the earth is only 5k years old”) religions themselves cannot be disproven

That’s not really a tenant.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

While certain specific tenants can be disproven (ie “the earth is only 5k years old”) religions themselves cannot be disproven

there is no tenant that says the earth is only 5 k years old.

 

[braalian]

there is no tenant that says the earth is only 5 k years old.

A lot of Christians sure seem to believe it

 

[shockedcanadian]

For several months now, I have been watching videos published by an Islamic scholar named Jay Smith. His credentials are both unique and impressive, and he has made a lifetime campaign of challenging Islamic history, beliefs, and theology, often in direct debates with Islamic scholars.



In recent years it has come to light that the Mecca of the Quran simply did not exist; it came along much later, long after Mo-hammed had assumed room temperature. Not only is there no archaeological evidence to support its existence in the relevant time period (the Saudi government prohibits non-approved archaeologists snooping around Mecca), but no contemporaneous documents or evidence even mention its existence at the time of Mo-hammed. Further, the first biography of Mo-hammed himself doesn't appear until about 200 years after his traditional date of death, so it is sourced from exactly nobody who ever knew that personage, assuming that he actually did exist. Also, none of the early Islamic mosques is "pointed at" Mecca, as all later mosques are required to be, indicating that the first Muslims had no particular reverence for that city or location.

And as Smith always says, Islam is founded on a person, place, and time, and if any one of them falls apart, the whole thing falls apart (theologically).

In the U.S. we have a similar situation with the people who are commonly called the "Mormons." Their founder, Joe Smith, has been proven to be a self-aggrandizing fraud, who made up the Book of Mormon, filling it with a history that is proven false by both archaeology and DNA evidence. Many books have been written documenting the false and often preposterous teachings of Smith and his immediate successor, Brigham Young.

Judaism and Christianity are both largely based on FAITH, which by definition is unprovable, but they both have a lot of archaeological support, contemporaneous mentions in third party literature, and are mostly based on eye-witness accounts. Christianity and the basics of Judaism will never be disproven by science, unlike Islam and Mormonism.

So what do you do when your religion - the religion that you were brought up to believe - is disproven by science?

Can one say that few educated and intelligent Muslims and Mormons actually believe the shit that they hear in their religious services? Or would that be too cynical?

As I've said a thousand times, "in the end all will be revealed".

It would be difficult for science to ever disprove G-d, it's akin to disproving a negative. I am not too uneducated to appreciate why many don't believe, especially with all of the technology around us. This is why it is called "faith".

Due to our species great creations we are being fooled into playing a part we are not suited for simply because G-d ensured our brain would be exceptionally powerful and creative. It's the wrong way to view our place in the universe but too often we overestimate our powers.

I take the other position, what if a supernatural man arrived, the true mashiach? He was able to bring peace to the world and fulfill the hefty objectives to confirm his status (which currently seems difficult as the third temple must be rebuilt).

How would the world react if the Atheist (or some of faith who wouldn't accept him) realized that religion and G-d is real?

I guarantee you a large number of people would not believe no matter what they observed or what evidence was provided.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

A lot of Christians sure seem to believe it

No, a lot don't it is a fringe belief.

 

[Quantrill]

A lot of Christians sure seem to believe it

Yes, alot do believe it. But the Bible never says it. They get the age through the genealogical tables in (Genesis). And so assume the earth is that age.

Thy have to believe that (Genesis 1:2) follows immediately, time wise, after (Gen. 1:1). But time is something God is elusive with in Scripture.

Quantrill

 

[NotYankee]

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It's called "FAITH" for a reason.

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Every racial nation deserves to have their own "religion" what ever it is.
But, there is one that does not have that right..... Aryan Christian Israel: they get punishments from the best experts.

 

[Ringo]

Earth is one of 3.2 trillion planets in our galaxy.
The Sun is one of 200 billion stars in the Milky Way.
The Milky Way is just one of 2 trillion galaxies in the observable universe.

This photo of the Milky Way was taken by the Soviet station Spektr-1 (1964), which left the confines of our solar system.

How fortunate we are that God focused His attention on our planet...