How to stop the leftist take-over of our youth

[Rust_Cohle]

And you screamed bloody murder

I'm not on the side that Reeeee'd over Uncle Ben's Rice, Aunt Jamima's Pancake syrup or Land o Lakes Butter

 

[Lesh]

I'm not on the side that Reeeee'd over Uncle Ben's Rice, Aunt Jamima's Pancake syrup or Land o Lakes Butter

No you’re on the side that freaked out at Bud and target

 

[Lisa558]

That wouldn't be enough. It's the realities of living under end-stage, imperialist capitalism that is making young people socialist, not just what you've mentioned. You're out of touch with reality if you think what you've proposed would make someone reject socialism and embrace capitalism, under these conditions.

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If we were living in the 1950s and 60s, after WW2, when America was the manufacturing hub of the world, with 1/3rd of its workforce unionized and one could actually live the American Dream, fully awake, without being asleep (we have to be asleep today to experience the "American Dream"). Owning a home (paying for it cash as my immigrant maternal grandfather did, after four years of working a blue-collar job and arriving from Cuba with a few cents in his pocket), supporting a family with one paycheck, and retiring after 20 years with a pension. Education was affordable, and practically tuition-free in public colleges. Healthcare was more affordable and accessible.

If we had all of that today, as you had when you were a young man (the America you were raised in), then maybe you could persuade these young Millennials and Zoomers to reject socialism and embrace capitalism. The aristocracy of the world's labor, the American working class, was gutted and brutalized in the 1980s by supply-side, trickle-down Reaganomics. Our manufacturing base was dismantled, piece by piece, and handed to Asia and Latin America. The so-called "trickle-down" doesn't trickle. The elderly right-wingers on this forum, refuse to recognize that, yet continue under this delusion, capitalism is going to survive and even thrive, under these conditions. Without at least a little bit of socialism, you can forget it. Capitalism is dead (the right-wingers killed it).

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Now with the advent of advanced automation and artificial intelligence, the situation is going to be even worse for capitalism. We're right on the edge now of transitioning production to a fully computerized-centrally planned economy / non-profit system, due to advanced, intelligent automation. That's the natural end or death of capitalism and the beginning of the socialist age. You can deny it but think rationally if you can and maybe you'll understand the reality of the situation. Why should our sons and daughters, continue with capitalism, when it's unnecessary and obsolete?

We DO have a little bit of socialism. We give Pell Grants to people of modest means so they can get a free two-year degree, and provide food, medical care, and subsidized housing to low-income.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

And you screamed bloody murder

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Like you do every day.




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[Red Front]

We DO have a little bit of socialism. We give Pell Grants to people of modest means so they can get a free two-year degree, and provide food, medical care, and subsidized housing to low-income.

Dirt poor and disabled, not just low-income. In Florida, my home state, and in most of the Bible Belt, poverty isn't enough to get assistance. Then in the states where you can get some help if you're poor and without a disability, the income that qualifies you to get assistance is so low, that you're probably barely existing at all, under a highway overpass. You're damned if you work and damned if you don't work. If you work, you will still not have enough to live, and you won't have Medicaid or food stamps, due to earning too much, and if you don't work to qualify for Medicaid and food stamps, you're homeless. That's not a "little socialism", that's no socialism.

A bit of socialism would be Western Europe, where you have a robust social safety net for the poor and working class. That's an economy that is mixed with a bit of capitalism, and socialism. We don't even have a little bit of socialism. And forget about the labor rights we once had, in the 1950s, and 70s. All of that is gone. FDR's New Deal has been gutted. All of the labor union rights are essentially non-existent.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

No you’re on the side that freaked out at Bud and target

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Funny how you call choice "freaking out" all of a sudden, when it's done by someone with whom you disagree politically..




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[Lisa558]

Dirt poor and disabled, not just low-income. In Florida, my home state, and in most of the Bible Belt, poverty isn't enough to get assistance. Then in the states where you can get some help if you're poor and without a disability, the income that qualifies you to get assistance is so low, that you're probably barely existing at all, under a highway overpass. You're damned if you work and damned if you don't work. If you work, you will still not have enough to live, and you won't have Medicaid or food stamps, due to earning too much, and if you don't work to qualify for Medicaid and food stamps, you're homeless. That's not a "little socialism", that's no socialism.

A bit of socialism would be Western Europe, where you have a robust social safety net for the poor and working class. That's an economy that is mixed with a bit of capitalism, and socialism. We don't even have a little bit of socialism. And forget about the labor rights we once had, in the 1950s, and 70s. All of that is gone.

Of course it’s socialism. Food stamps, Medicaid, free Pell Grants - all giveaways to low-income.

And how are “damned if you work”? Seems like the only thing acceptable to you is to have people choosing not to work, and getting free handouts enough to give them a middle-class life.

 

[Red Front]

Of course it’s socialism. Food stamps, Medicaid, free Pell Grants - all giveaways to low-income.

You just ignored what I said. All of the points that I made just went over your head. Into one ear and out the other.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

You just ignored what I said. All of the points that I made just went over your head. Into one ear and out the other.

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Not so.

But nice try.




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[Red Front]

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Not so.

But nice try.




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If most people who need food stamps, Medicaid, and housing can't get it, then that's not socialism. In Florida and in many other conservative states, you have to be clinically disabled to qualify for food stamps and Medicaid. In the more liberal states, where you don't need to be disabled to get help, you have to have an income of around $900 monthly. Who the heck can live, with $900 monthly in America? You would be homeless. That's not a socialist system. In socialism, there is a robust social safety net that allows everyone who is unable to afford housing, food..etc, to have easy access to that assistance. That's socialism.

 

[Lisa558]

If most people who need food stamps, Medicaid, and housing can't get it, then that's not socialism. In Florida and in many other conservative states, you have to be clinically disabled to qualify for food stamps and Medicaid.

Give me a link where low-earning, able-bodied people with jobs are not getting food stamps.

 

[Red Front]

OhPleaseJustQuit​

Diamond Member

What's funny about that? Be specific.

 

[Lisa558]

OhPleaseJustQuit

What the Commie is complaining about is the fact that able-bodied adults cannot choose to sit home and watch TV while getting their food provided by people who work.

 

[Red Front]

OhPleaseJustQuit

What the Commie is complaining about is the fact that able-bodied adults cannot choose to sit home and watch TV while getting their food provided by people who work.

That's an incoherent request. Sending you a link to able-bodied adults?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

OhPleaseJustQuit

What the Commie is complaining about is the fact that able-bodied adults cannot choose to sit home and watch TV while getting their food provided by people who work.

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Which is very entertaining. I appreciate it.

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[Lisa558]

That's an incoherent request. Sending you a link to able-bodied adults?

You said that some states give food stamps only to disabled adults. What that means is that able-bodied adults are required to take a job in order to get food stamps.

What’s the problem with that? If you want help from those in a better position than you, you at least have to help yourself as well - unless of course you’re disabled. Nicht gut?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

You said that some states give food stamps only to disabled adults. What that means is that able-bodied adults are required to take a job in order to get food stamps.

What’s the problem with that? If you want help from those in a better position than you, you at least have to help yourself as well - unless of course you’re disabled. Nicht gut?

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Their democrat slave owners have told them for decades that they no longer have to work for their keep. All they have to do is vote and occasionally dress up funny and make noise. It hurts their teeny brains to contemplate any POV contrary to that.

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[Red Front]

You said that some states give food stamps only to disabled adults. What that means is that able-bodied adults are required to take a job in order to get food stamps.

What’s the problem with that? If you want help from those in a better position than you, you at least have to help yourself as well - unless of course you’re disabled. Nicht gut?

You don't have to be disabled or even unemployed in our capitalist system, to need some help. Not everyone can afford to live with the wages that capitalists are paying. There are millions of people who don't have access to healthcare or even adequate housing. They shouldn't have to be clinically disabled to get that assistance.

More, this idea that if people have housing, food, healthcare and an education by right, they're just going to opt to live with the barebones minimum, is absurd. The vast majority of people will take advantage of the opportunities that society gives them, to improve themselves and their living conditions. Just because the government ensures that everyone has at least the barebones minimum to exist, doesn't imply that most people are just going to vegetate and do nothing with their lives. That's just a cheap, right-wing polemic.

 

[Red Front]

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Their democrat slave owners have told them for decades that they no longer have to work for their keep. All they have to do is vote and occasionally dress up funny and make noise. It hurts their teeny brains to contemplate any POV contrary to that.

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The parasite leeches are the wealthy elites who generate an income upon the backs of other people's labor. Your pleasure and leisure-seeking leeches, who you worship and admire, living off of the surplus value of other people's hard work, should roll up their sleeves and break a sweat for once in their lives.

 

[Red Front]

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