How to lower gun crime...very easy step....10-20-life.....boom....drops the mic.

[M14 Shooter]

What does "military grade" mean?

Least cost for minimum spec.

Most of my guns, and all of my ARs, are FAR better than military grade.

 

[LibertyKid]

Number of school shootings by year....

School shootings... (And in 2023 , the only school shooting was done by a left wing, democrat party, transgender....)

2023....1
2022.....1
2021....1
2020....0
2019....0
2018.....2
2017....0
2016...0
2015....1 (community college)
2014...1
2013.....0
2012....2
2011....0
2010...0
2006.....1
1999.......1
1998.....2
1992....1
1989....1

Stop with statistical data. We all know certain people ignore it and will resort to name calling, hyperbole, and conjecture.

 

[JoeB131]

One good reason is that confiscating all the guns would take decades but there is s school shooting going on even today

We don't have to confiscate all the guns.

Just make it harder for new guns to get out there. Nearly every mass shooter buys his guns within a few weeks of his rampage. A real background check would catch these people.

I just had to submit 200 pages of documentation to Immigration to prove my wife is legitimately my wife and not just trying to scam a green card. (Even though she already has a green card.)

When I applied for my last mortgage, I had to turn over years of tax returns and documentation on every account I opened.

When I applied for my current job, I had to undergo a thorough background check.

When I applied for my IL FOID card, I sent them $11.00 and a picture.

That last one seems pretty fucking inadequate.

 

[JoeB131]

Stop with statistical data. We all know certain people ignore it and will resort to name calling, hyperbole, and conjecture.

Well, yeah, if you keep presenting bullshit and calling it chocolate..

 

[2aguy]

We don't have to confiscate all the guns.

Just make it harder for new guns to get out there. Nearly every mass shooter buys his guns within a few weeks of his rampage. A real background check would catch these people.

I just had to submit 200 pages of documentation to Immigration to prove my wife is legitimately my wife and not just trying to scam a green card. (Even though she already has a green card.)

When I applied for my last mortgage, I had to turn over years of tax returns and documentation on every account I opened.

When I applied for my current job, I had to undergo a thorough background check.

When I applied for my IL FOID card, I sent them $11.00 and a picture.

That last one seems pretty fucking inadequate.

And you go through a Federal Background check and have to wait 3 days to pick up your gun......you idiot.

 

[Mac-7]

We don't have to confiscate all the guns.

Just make it harder for new guns to get out there. Nearly every mass shooter buys his guns within a few weeks of his rampage. A real background check would catch these people.

I just had to submit 200 pages of documentation to Immigration to prove my wife is legitimately my wife and not just trying to scam a green card. (Even though she already has a green card.)

When I applied for my last mortgage, I had to turn over years of tax returns and documentation on every account I opened.

When I applied for my current job, I had to undergo a thorough background check.

When I applied for my IL FOID card, I sent them $11.00 and a picture.

That last one seems pretty fucking inadequate.

I have offered to sensible ideas

Both of which are being ignored by libs

One is increased school security even if it means less protection for the mayor and fat assed judges

The other is a tough mandatory jail sentence when felon are caught with a firearm

They should be off the streets immediately for 3-5 years no questions asked

When libs are ready to implement those changes I am ready to accept stronger background checks AT THE VERY SAME TIME

But not before

 

[M14 Shooter]

Just make it harder for new guns to get out there.

"Sheriff... do the letters 'FO' mean anything to you?"
- Bo Darville

 

[JoeB131]

And you go through a Federal Background check and have to wait 3 days to pick up your gun......you idiot.

Wow, that seems.. really inadequate.

Didn't Awake the Rapper go through that same background check?

 

[JoeB131]

I have offered to sensible ideas

Both of which are being ignored by libs

One is increased school security even if it means less protection for the mayor and fat assed judges

Okay, so you assign one bodyguard to one school. What does that do for the rest of the schools?

here's the ugly little secret about "School officers", the Police Departments aren't sending their best and brightest. They are sending guy like the fool in Florida, who stood around like a stuffed poodle when the shooting was still going on in Stoneman School.

The other is a tough mandatory jail sentence when felon are caught with a firearm

They should be off the streets immediately for 3-5 years no questions asked

We don't have enough prison space for the real criminals.

We don't have enough prison guards.

 

[2aguy]

Wow, that seems.. really inadequate.

Didn't Awake the Rapper go through that same background check?

View attachment 883334

Again.....

Over 350 million Americans.......600 million guns in private hands......over 22 million Americans can carry guns in public for self defense.......Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies, murders, beatings and stabbings....

How many individuals committed mass public shootings in 2023?

12

How many were murdered...?

75

Bicycles killed 966 (2022)

Deer kill 200 people a year.....

Lawn mowers between 90-100 people a year....

Ladders 300 people a year....

bathtubs 350 people a year...

Cars killed over 39,000 people in 2019...

 

[2aguy]

Okay, so you assign one bodyguard to one school. What does that do for the rest of the schools?

here's the ugly little secret about "School officers", the Police Departments aren't sending their best and brightest. They are sending guy like the fool in Florida, who stood around like a stuffed poodle when the shooting was still going on in Stoneman School.


We don't have enough prison space for the real criminals.

We don't have enough prison guards.

This is how you do it, you asshat....

These are the things that actually prevent school shootings....

First and foremost......alerting families that they can get help if they are concerned about the mental health of their family members, and teaching the public what to look out for to prevent an individual from reaching critical mass....

1) securing school buildings with single point entries with double doors forcing visitors to wait until an office worker opens the exterior door, and then the interior door.

2) Police pull stations, ( like fire alarm pull stations) that go directly to the police dept. and police cars in the area rather than through the 911 system. This save minutes from police response time.

3) Arming and training some staff members. Their identities, numbers and locations in the building should be secret. The fact that there are people on site who will engage any attacker is the greatest deterrent to attacks.

4) Ending the gun free zone status of schools, which means allowing normal gun owning parents and others to come onto campus without having to leave their legal guns at home. When they drop off late students, pick their children up for dental and medical appointments, drop off forgotten lunches and home work. This creates an environment of armed responders that any attacker will not be able to account for in planning an attack, which will help prevent the attack in the first place.

5) The school, and social work staff members need to be trained to identify and help troubled students before they reach critical mass.

6) Local law enforcement who are able and willing to engage in troubled or criminal students to intervene before they reach critical mass.....

These are the things you do if you actually want to stop school shootings. Anything else is nothing more than theater in order to stampede uninformed Americans into giving up their ability to protect their families with guns.

 

[Mac-7]

Okay, so you assign one bodyguard to one school. What does that do for the rest of the schools?

here's the ugly little secret about "School officers", the Police Departments aren't sending their best and brightest. They are sending guy like the fool in Florida, who stood around like a stuffed poodle when the shooting was still going on in Stoneman School.


We don't have enough prison space for the real criminals.

We don't have enough prison guards.

Whatever county and local governments spend on security for themselves should go to the schools instead

We can replace a judge but not our children

 

[JoeB131]

Again.....

Over 350 million Americans.......600 million guns in private hands..

And
655 mass shootings
21,000 gun homicides
25,000 gun suicides
70,000 gun injuries
400,000 gun crimes.
Active shooter drills, militarized police, a prison-industrial complex,

All because you have a fetish.

4) Ending the gun free zone status of schools, which means allowing normal gun owning parents and others to come onto campus without having to leave their legal guns at home. When they drop off late students, pick their children up for dental and medical appointments, drop off forgotten lunches and home work. This creates an environment of armed responders that any attacker will not be able to account for in planning an attack, which will help prevent the attack in the first place.

Yeah, that will do it... have the mentally unstable stressed out teacher packing a gun... that'll work.

 

[2aguy]

And
655 mass shootings
21,000 gun homicides
25,000 gun suicides
70,000 gun injuries
400,000 gun crimes.
Active shooter drills, militarized police, a prison-industrial complex,

All because you have a fetish.


Yeah, that will do it... have the mentally unstable stressed out teacher packing a gun... that'll work.

Nope......

12 mass public shootings in 2023....

Gun homicides were 19,000 in 2022, up from 10,000 because the democrats in 2015 decided to attack the police to the point they can't, or won't do their jobs, and the democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians keep releasing violent criminals and they keep reducing sentences for actual gun crimes....

Suicides don't count, as Japan, South Korea, and China show since they have extreme gun control...and higher suicide rates than we do..

600 million guns in private hands......over 22 million Americans can carry their legal guns for self defense....

Americans use those legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop violent rapes, robberies, murders, beatings and stabbings, ....saving about 175,000 people from death and over 1 trillion dollars in money saved from criminal damage to lives and property....

You have nothing...

 

[JoeB131]

Nope......

12 mass public shootings in 2023....

Nope, 655.

Gun homicides were 19,000 in 2022, up from 10,000 because the democrats in 2015 decided to attack the police to the point they can't, or won't do their jobs, and the democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians keep releasing violent criminals and they keep reducing sentences for actual gun crimes....

Actually, they went up because Heller and McDonald struck down any sensible gun laws.

Cops weren't doing their jobs to start with. Their main goal is to come home safely, not to stop crime.

I never called a cop and ever had him show up to do a fucking bit of good.

 

[2aguy]

Nope, 655.



Actually, they went up because Heller and McDonald struck down any sensible gun laws.

Cops weren't doing their jobs to start with. Their main goal is to come home safely, not to stop crime.

I never called a cop and ever had him show up to do a fucking bit of good.

Nope...you are wrong....

The actual number of mass shootings from Mother Jones......


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

2023....12

2022...12

2021...6

2020....2

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1

School shootings...

2023....1
2022.....1
2021....1
2020....0
2019....0
2018.....2
2017....0
2016...0
2015....1 (community college)
2014...1
2013.....0
2012....2
2011....0
2010...0
2006.....1

1999.......1

1998.....2

1992....1

1989....1


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Bicycles killed 891 (2020)

Deer kill 200 people a year.....

Lawn mowers between 90-100 people a year....

Ladders 300 people a year....

bathtubs 350 people a year...

Cars killed over 39,000 people in 2019...



Total number of people killed in mass public shootings by year...

2023...75
2022....74
2021...43
2020....5
2019....73
2018.....93
2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

US mass shootings, 1982–2023: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

The full data set from our in-depth investigation into mass shootings.

www.motherjones.com

 

[2aguy]

Nope, 655.



Actually, they went up because Heller and McDonald struck down any sensible gun laws.

Cops weren't doing their jobs to start with. Their main goal is to come home safely, not to stop crime.

I never called a cop and ever had him show up to do a fucking bit of good.

Nope....they were going down, even with more people buying guns...all the way from the 1990s to 2015.....2015 was the year they began to go up because of the democrat party war on police, and their policies to release violent criminals and reduce sentences for gun offenses....

Washington state lawmakers introduced a bill this month that would reduce penalties for drive-by shootings with the aim of "promoting racial equity."

The bill, introduced by Democratic Representatives Tarra Simmons and David Hackney ahead of the state's 2022 legislative session, would eliminate drive-by shootings as the basis for elevating a first-degree murder charge to aggravated murder in the first degree, which carries a mandatory sentence of life imprisonment.

Washington state lawmakers introduce bill that would reduce penalties for drive-by shootings

Washington state lawmakers introduced a bill this month that would reduce penalties for drive-by shootings with the aim of "promoting racial equity."

www.foxnews.com

 

[JoeB131]

Nope...you are wrong....

The actual number of mass shootings from Mother Jones......

I'll take the word of organizations that study gun violence over Mother JOnes, thanks.

Nope....they were going down, even with more people buying guns...all the way from the 1990s to 2015.....2015 was the year they began to go up because of the democrat party war on police, and their policies to release violent criminals and reduce sentences for gun offenses....

Yes, five years after the last of the sensible gun laws are thrown out.

How about this. Let cities invoke whatever gun laws they feel are necessary, THEN you can come back to me about gun violence. But don't take away tools to control the violence and then whine to me about the violence your fetish creates.

 

[2aguy]

I'll take the word of organizations that study gun violence over Mother JOnes, thanks.


Yes, five years after the last of the sensible gun laws are thrown out.

How about this. Let cities invoke whatever gun laws they feel are necessary, THEN you can come back to me about gun violence. But don't take away tools to control the violence and then whine to me about the violence your fetish creates.

They don't study gun violence, they lie about guns in order to get them banned and confiscated.....that is why they support preventing our schools from being protected.

 

[AZrailwhale]

For those with an irrational fear of firearms, its a freaking arsenal.

That's why I said SANE standard.